Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
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grandjedi6
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wait....
SouthernDragon
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fffuuuuuuuuuucccckkkk
Cant wait until the entire country collapses due to low oil prices. A remember readinga bunch of articles saying Chavez made a government budget that needs oil at least at 90-100$ a barrel to sustain it. Good lucky with that. Also hasnt he made the country almost ENTIRELY dependent on oil instead of just mostly?
Diatribe1974
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And people said I was overreacting when I called Chavez a power hungry dictator.
SouthernDragon
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The problem with Venezuela is that their entire system hinges on one good, and if that good's value drops or is depleted, then everyone is screwed. Chavez gains popularity and power through short term fixes but implements no self-sustaining long term solutions for his country, electing instead to act like a boor.
Ah naive countries.
It wasnt so long ago that America was proud to drive their dictator automobiles and the thought of dictators like Mussolini was of a bold, strong man and someone to be held in high regard and admired. Even many people in our own country welcoming the idea of putting in power a dictator.
I dont think Chavez is a Hitler or Kim Jong ill, so dont get me wrong, but i think his method of governance, policy and apparent corruption are not going to end up successful for the people of Venezuela in the long run. Especially as others point out, his programs hinge on oil selling at a certain price.
It wasnt so long ago that America was proud to drive their dictator automobiles and the thought of dictators like Mussolini was of a bold, strong man and someone to be held in high regard and admired. Even many people in our own country welcoming the idea of putting in power a dictator.
I dont think Chavez is a Hitler or Kim Jong ill, so dont get me wrong, but i think his method of governance, policy and apparent corruption are not going to end up successful for the people of Venezuela in the long run. Especially as others point out, his programs hinge on oil selling at a certain price.
Stoney Mason
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Cloudy said:
He's a shady character who arguably manipulates situations by force and threat and the system but I sort of roughly agree. If the people of that country don't won't him in they will have to vote him out. For Americans its not our country so it's a bit overboard for us to overly whine about it especially considering who we elected twice and in a relatively shady manner also the first time.
Cloudy said:
Exactly. Chavez is a shady douchebag who is manipulative but he is nowhere near as bad as some people make him out to be. There is absolutely no reason to Godwin this thread with such a stupid comparison. He gave his people a choice and they made it. Even the first time he tried to pass it, it barely failed.
Chavez is just using the tried and true method of throwing crumbs to the poor who thinks he cares and as long as that gravy train continues, he will win nearly all the battles. Meantime, anyone who has something will leave.
Champion of the poor blah blah blah.
Chavez is not the next Hitler, he is just a clown who yaps a lot but in the end is dependent on the same system he decries.
Champion of the poor blah blah blah.
Chavez is not the next Hitler, he is just a clown who yaps a lot but in the end is dependent on the same system he decries.
Did you like what George Bush did for America? Dont a shit ton of people on GAF hate George Bush? Is it ok to dislike him for the things he did even though we elected him?Cloudy said:
By your reasoning all of GAF should have stopped complaining about what he did during the presidency because we voted him in!!!
Just because someone was voted in by the majority doesnt mean its what was best for the country. Unless you think George Bush was the best possible answer for the US.
Boogie9IGN
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FlightOfHeaven said:
Truth.
My mother and grandmother get so saddened whenever they hear news about what Venezuela is turning into ):
Chumly said:
Oh I agree but no way would Bush have won a vote to let him stay in power. Chavez did though and he's been president since what, '99?
I guess the Venezuelans are gluttons for punishment, or they think he's the best alternative or just maybe he's not as bad as advertised...
gutter_trash
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why would the average Venezuelan want that?Zozz said:
so Bush Chenney Big Oil can rape Latin America like Reagan did in the 80s?s
devilhawk said:
I don't why you're even arguing. None of those countries have term limits and that's a valid point to make when a bunch of clueless forum posters are running around going "OMGZ NO MORE TERM LIMITS = DICTATAR!!?!!"
There has been ample opportunity for Venezuelans to vote out Chavez time and time and time again. And they haven't done it.
Did you think that George Bush was the best possible answer for the country in 2004?Cloudy said:
Were US people gluttons for punishment, or we thought he was the best alternative or just maybe he just wasnt as bad as advertised. So what were we????
Chavez gets a lot of votes for feeding the poor crumbs even when it could turn out a lot worse in the long run. Bush got a lot of votes for feeding a certain segment of US people crumbs and he managed to run the country into the ground. Why is it not ok to say that Chavez is doing the same thing?
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship."xabre said:
I'm not gonna call someone who wins democratic elections a dictator. It's just retarded.
Is he bad for the country? Maybe he is but these people aren't being forced at gunpoint to vote for him, are they? They have to live with their decision but I think it's BS for foreigners to say they made the wrong choice.
ColdDeckEd
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xabre said:
Do you really know anything about Chavez? You are being way to myopic here, and not looking at his past actions. Its not just this vote, its EVERYTHING he's done. From the coup he attempted, to the rhetoric he used to get into office, to now abolishing term limit so he can remain in power indefinately.
Witchfinder General
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Can't wait to hear my parents try to justify that he's still not a despot.
Stoney Mason
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Well the interesting part imo is that if you tended to constantly rail on Bush some people labeled you with Bush Derangment syndrome.Gaborn said:
The other common factor is that the more outside forces rail on the internal politics of another country, the more that country tends to rebel often and close ranks.
I don't mind people railing on Chavez especially if they are from Venzuela but that's the whole point about Democracy. It doesn't just elect the person you want to win.
Stoney Mason said:
Yep. Honestly, the Venezuelan people can do what they want. I do think eliminating term limits is a bad thing though because it's not just stopping elections TODAY, it's stopping them for future generations of Venezuelans, essentially disenfranchising them. I think in a Democracy that's unacceptable.
xabre said:
oh yea I'm really living the high life in Miami is because it's obviously the only place Venezuelans can live in America. Let me tell you something, Chavez has ruin the country over the past years. While he has hardly improved the lives of poor and keeps feeding them delusions. All he does is gives a couple of sack of rice to the uneducated weeks in advance so he can round them up for rallies and voting. More and more over the years he has prevent people who oppose to work in places like school, now its spreading into as much government infrastructures. For a while he started to bring workers from Cuba, like untrained doctors, technicians, and just lower end workers and taken jobs away from Venezuelans.
Venezuela has made so much money off oil in the past years and what the fuck has he been doing with it. Giving it away to Cuba, Ecuador and Bolivia. He started taking away lands from people that had nothing built on them to set up stations for his people.
He takes all of his supporters and spreads them all over Venezuela and they bring over nothing but crime. My town used to be a pretty deserted place, it was small but it was calm. Not until they started to take homes from people in my town and put his supporters did it turn into another slum.
My family has always come from less fortunate background, my folks always do the most with the little we have. Crime has killed family and poverty has killed family, so shut the fuck up before you make assumptions. We decided to leave when Chavez started to his term and we left family behind. We speak to our family as much as we can and every time, we hear how the quality of life has taken a turn for the worst. The quality of life from the wealthy to the middle class at most has really widen apart from what it use to be before Chavez.
I just don't understand how nobody has overthrown him, in Ecuador where I have family as well. You see people from the poorest to the richest try to change things when Presidents and the gov. tries to take a route like Chavez has.
Stoney Mason
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Term limits are a reform act I agree with but ultimately they are still a reform act. Our Senators and House members can stay in Congress as long as they want and accumulate power but our president can't is just an example where we mix our reforms in this country.Gaborn said:
polyh3dron
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Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed frequently, and for the same reason.
ColdDeckEd said:
How about actually looking at the region in context, or the consistent and repeated attempts to destabilise Chavez's leadership in proper context (that'd be the 2002 failed coup, the nationwide strike soon after, the constant private media campaign waged against him). Countries in South and Central America have been subject to coup after coup and coup for fifty years. It's had paramilitary and rebel groups backed by the west for years, dictators backed by the CIA and placed in government for years, drug running cartels supported and backed by western governments for years. On and on and on this has occured, yet is repeatedly ignored and forgotten when considering people like Chavez.
No one would say Chavez doesn't have an autocratic lean, but in the context of how the poor in Venezuela and other South/Central American countries have suffered at the hands of pro-American regimes so what? The reason Chavez is voted in again and again is simple, it is the will of the people. They don't don't want corporate pro-US lackeys, the majority on Venezuela are clearly saying 'fuck that, we want some how who will look after our interests'. And in their estimation Chavez is looking after their interests.
evil solrac v3.0
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the problem with chavez is that even though he is allowing free elections, they are in fact, not free because he has banned many other candidates before. and that's a FACT.
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