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Well, I suppose we can at least look forward to massive discounts on the eShop copies, what with them not needing a cartridge and all.
Somehow I doubt it
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Well, I suppose we can at least look forward to massive discounts on the eShop copies, what with them not needing a cartridge and all.
Yeah, it's frankly not our problem. If they can't get down to £40 for a new release from Amazon then they've made a mistake.
Stallion Dan
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Pretty much how I feel. And because it's Nintendo we don't even get to wait for a price drop after a few months, or even years in many cases.
Good to see this. With it being up to retailers to set prices hopefully there will be a price war over the next couple of months and prices will come down a bit for the games.
Just seen Mario Kart and 1 2 Switch are cheaper with Argos as well.
Did y'all know CEX are doing bank transfers in store now for selling, so you don't have to wait and come back if they're testing a console, or be told they don't have enough cash in store to buy your stuff.
It will. You couldn't find Knack unbundled for less than £50 until a couple of weeks before launch.
It will. You couldn't find Knack unbundled for less than £50 until a couple of weeks before launch.
Stallion Dan
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The £2 off deal? Well the day they started it they put every pre-order up by £2. What a deal!
foobarry81
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I'm sorry to hear that Nintendo forces your arm to buy their games. It would be wonderful if in some alternate reality you could just vote with your wallet and not buy their overpriced cartridges, right? One can dream.
Also what, in your opinion, would be a cheaper option for a storage device that fits in a tablet sized console? The technology just isn't there. Maybe Nintendo should have made a PS4 in stead, so that their games would at least be on BluRay to fully comply with your needs....!
Still annoys me that UK prime members don't get 20% off pre-orders like US prime members do.
Even more annoying, the £2 off on pre-orders is often missing. If you pre-order too far in advance, you have to re-order to get the £2 off if and when they add it.
I had to cancel and re-order DQ8 and Yakuza 0 just the other week because they finally added the £2 discount to them.
I had to cancel and re-order DQ8 and Yakuza 0 just the other week because they finally added the £2 discount to them.
Dragon1893
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Any good deal on Gravity Rush 2?
FantasticMrSnake
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That's better than 60, do they charge in advance?
I wish GAME price match them, only because I want the stupid keychan but I'm not paying 10 more for it.
Little Old Man
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Same for me with DQ8. Really odd system.
Argos do. The Game Collection who also have it for £50, do not. They also usually deliver early meaning if no-one else goes cheaper, I'll be staring at the box before my Switch comes!
toythatkills
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Yeah, okay. There's no need to be so defensive, I'm not having a go at you unless it was you responsible for pricing these games.
Like I said, the alternative would be for Nintendo not to pass the cost on to me, or perhaps to allow me to buy games digitally for cheaper. Why should I have to pay £60 to download Zelda from the eShop so that someone else can buy it on an expensive cartridge?
FantasticMrSnake
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I used them a few times, don't know how it will be this time, since it's a console launch, but they should get the copies earlier as usual.
Stallion Dan
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If the technology not there they shouldn't go ahead and just pass the problem to the consumer.
Switch expensive enough as is, especially with all the lacking stuff need buy extra.
Diablohead
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I feel like the £50 price is just new console stuff and not the cart costs, the games will steady over time.
foobarry81
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Yeah man, I was totally being "defensive", lol. You hurt my feelings, like really badly, by saying Nintendo "passes on their costs" to you.
I'm just saying: if you don't like their pricing, then just don't buy their stuff. Or wait for deals. It's really as simple as that. They aren't "passing on the costs" to you. Like any publicly owned company, they're trying to maximize profits, because their shareholders want to see the money rolling in. Likely Nintendo's marketing department, after some market research, told them that people like you would still pay £60 for Zelda. Perhaps not as eagerly, but you would still pony up. So they went with that. For comparison: Apple are also asking premium prices for their shoddy warez, because they feel they can, being a boutique brand and all. Yet people don't complain about them "passing on the costs" to their customers. But I guess you feel they should really start doing that.
This makes no sense at all. Clearly Nintendo feels they can ask the prices they're asking. They don't "pass the problem to the consumer". There is no "problem" for the consumer. The consumer can always NOT buy Nintendo's games and console, and keep the money in their pockets. How is that supposed to be a problem? This is what consumers do on a daily basis: decide whether they want to spend the asking price for something or not.
Yeah. Like I said, they were trying to flog Knack for 55 quid before launch. It'll come down.
foobarry81
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For comparison, these are the Japanese prices of 2 Wii U launch games:
New Super Mario Bros. U: ¥5,985
NintendoLand: ¥4,925
Now for the Switch launch titles in Japan:
TLOZ: BotW: ¥6980
Dragon Quest Heroes I-II: ¥8900
Sangokushi / Nobunaga's Ambition: both ¥9800
1-2-Switch: ¥5378
Pricing is most definitely higher.
Stallion Dan
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A price being too high is always a problem for people who want something.
Not all such problems get fixed, which results in no purchase.
foobarry81
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If a customer doesn't buy a product, then it's not the customer having a problem. It's the vendor that keeps sitting on their stock. That is the real problem, and it lies with the vendor. They can only fix that by lowering the price.
So this is never a problem for the customer. The problem lies with the vendor who needs to make sure the customer hands over their wallet.
Of course, if one has no self-control and throws their wallet at vendors regardless of how much they want for their products, then there IS a problem. But in that case the problem is not the price being too high. The problem in such a case is the lack of self-control and common sense in the customer's mind. This is not the vendor passing on a problem to the customer though.
Eolz
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It's good to note that the Sangokushi/Nobunaga games are always super expensive whichever the platform. Bad example here.
Stallion Dan
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Of course it is a problem for the consumer, they cannot get the item they want and unlike other markets there aren't other alternatives and the waiting for discount isn't much of an option with Nintendo.
With a certain movie you might take the family to cinema, or wait for BR, or DVD, or rent, or Netflix, or TV. With Nintendo games...Buy it at set price or don't, outside of being lucky on a clearance sale.
It's a problem for consumer because Nintendo generally don't adjust their prices to meet the market like everyone else. Wii U never got that discount it needed and consumers wanted.
foobarry81
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If the consumer wants the item, they can choose to buy it. If they don't want the item, then can choose not to buy it. This really isn't a problem. At best it's a "perceived problem".
Waiting for a discount is always an option, even with Nintendo. Claiming otherwise is a blatant lie. Nintendo also ALWAYS does Nintendo Selects (or similar) budget re-releases for the best of their first party titles, and also several third party titles.
Nope. Already mentioned the Nintendo Selects product line, and Tokyo Mirage Sessions, a Nintendo published RPG from last year, is currently €25 over here in retail for example. Not a clearance sale. Just a price cut, and it's been like that for at least 2 weeks. As I recall Super Luigi U on Wii U has been dirt cheap too, as was Pikmin 3, even in the UK (especially in the UK) where I get most of my games anyway.
I got my Wii U (the Deluxe 32Gb model) at a discount. I got it for £180 off of Amazon UK, which is not a high price for a brand new console, roughly a year after it launched for over €300. I guess you wanted the console for free, preferably at launch.
So basically, you're factually wrong on all accounts.
Prisoner KSC2-303
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That's a lot of fuss over someone saying they didn't care for the cost of some games. Perhaps we can get some deals on decaf in here too?
Prices will go down, but the point about digital pricing is apt, now more than ever.
Prices will go down, but the point about digital pricing is apt, now more than ever.
Stallion Dan
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Yeah, that £180 price totally wasn't a blip never repeated. Oh wait.
http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Nintendo-Wii-32GB-Premium-Pack/product/B008B5YB4W?context=browse
Not that £180 is acceptable for everyone anyway, pretty much every other console ever dropped below that as a widespread and permanent pricepoint.
Nice cherry picking of games too, ignoring the popular ones that didn't ever drop except blink and miss it moments like SSB or Mario Kart. Where my Selects versions of those?
http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Nintendo-Wii-32GB-Premium-Pack/product/B008B5YB4W
You got pretty lucky with that one. It was £180 at Amazon exactly once in 4+ years and it dropped down to that to match Argos' deal. The deal lasted one day never to be seen again.
I'd at least partially agree with Stallion Dan, Nintendo tries not to do price drops or participate in insane Black Friday deals. The premium was 280€ in Finland for few weeks but that's about the best deal I've seen. Not much of a deal when the regular price has been ~300€ for years. Prices did drop from launch prices but for the past three or so years there's been no wide price drops or great deals outside of individual retailers dumping stock against Nintendo's recommendations. On the other hand it keeps the used market very much alive. Only Assassin's Creed 3 and other crap like that completely lost their value, most Wii U games still sell for a decent price.
Switch pricing looks like a suicide though. Maybe they calculated that getting 10 million fans to buy their console&games at a higher price will keep them afloat and there's always the chance that it catches fire and people are actually interested.
edit: Doh, couple of minutes late. Oh well.
foobarry81
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Now you're just trolling. Camelcamelcamel isn't that accurate. I didn't get my console in 2014 (that blip in your graph), I got it in 2013. So yeah, a blip "never repeated".
Also if you look at the 8Gb, that's been in the €200 for longer stretches on Amazon Germany for example:
http://de.camelcamelcamel.com/Nintendo-Wii-Konsole-Basic-Pack/product/B004ZKI7EM?context=browse
Similar thing on Amazon France:
http://fr.camelcamelcamel.com/Console-Nintendo-Wii-Go-blanche/product/B004ZKI7EM?context=browse
And that's just Amazon.
Like I said, you just wanted the console for free.
Sure, I'm the one cherry picking the games, lol. You picked probably the only two titles that didn't get a Nintendo Selects release. Good job! I'm not ignoring anything. Your claim is that Nintendo games never get discounted. Which is factually wrong. What you really meant is: "I don't want to pay more than £15 for Mario Kart, so now Nintendo pissed me off." I mean, you have every right not to want to pay over £15. Completely up to you. But please stick to the facts.
See above, that isn't accurate, and it's besides the point too. If you wanted to get a Wii U in the €200-€220 range, that was was entirely possible. The system did get discounted. And €220 is an acceptable price for a brand new console.
If that's too much for you, you could always look for a used one. Would I like to pay less for a console? Sure. But unless you want to wait until the very end of a home console's life cycle, you're going to pay in the €200 range. That's been the case for years now.
What you do get with other consoles is that when new models are introduced (e.g. a Slim release) that the old stock gets shifted in clearance sales and that you can get discounts on those. But at the same time, the new and typically improved models are there to keep the price up. The Wii U just never made it to a new model.
This is not a "Nintendo thing". Do you really believe Sony or Microsoft love to drop the prices of their consoles?
Keep them afloat, lol.
I got around 60 physical Wii U games on my shelves, several of those are Limited Editions (e.g. I got the Mario Kart 8 LE). And I paid around €25 on average per game. So tell me again that Nintendo's game prices are impossible and never drop. That simply isn't true.
Stallion Dan
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If you cannot discuss on a remotely level headed and realistic level you shouldn't at all.
After 4 years the Wii U should of had larger, permanent discounts than what it has, PS4 and XBone already got it beat on discount. Have for a long while.
Nobody cares for fantasy deals that happened once in 4 years. Might as well mention the £85 Tesco clearance. That is not a launching point for a strong argument.
Your £180 price isn't some magical figure everyone should bite at either. If it was cheap enough it wouldn't have sold like crap. The market has spoken.
foobarry81
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You're right, I tried too hard to bring in some actual facts, when you basically wanted to talk about how Nintendo hurt your feelings by not giving you near-free stuff. Because in your mind the entire market = you.
Wait, didn't you say the Wii U never got a discount? Now that it's clear you were dead wrong about that one, your new "point" is that "PS4 and XBOne already got it beat on discount". I'm assuming you're going to keep changing your story until it's somewhat plausible, right?
I never said you should bite at £180. Again, you're just making up more stuff here as you go. Anyway, £180 is a fair price for any brand new console. Clearly not the sort of money you want to pay for a console though. That's fair, but that doesn't mean Nintendo "passed a problem onto you". Let's suppose you don't want to pay £500 for an iPhone... does that mean Apple passed a problem onto you too, because they think that's the price they should ask?
Your reasoning that Nintendo should've discounted the Wii U more aggressively and that that would have magically solved all of its problems, is again way too oversimplified. Yes, the market has spoken, but not solely based on price as you seem to think. For example people just never understood the Wii U. I got a friend who owns a PS2 and a PS3 (want to make it clear he's not new to consoles and gaming) and when I spoke to him somewhere last year about the Wii U he thought it was a new model of the Wii. I'm not kidding. Even if Nintendo had dramatically taken down the price (and probably lost money on it in the process) the system was still dead in the water. It never made sense for Nintendo to further discount a system that already wasn't making them a lot of money, and that frankly few people cared about. Similarly, Sony isn't discounting the Vita to crazy low levels either. That just doesn't make any sense from a financial point of view for a vendor.
Let's go back to discussing current deals
Nintendo Switch - £279.99 at everywhere.
hey guys, how does it work to buy things in Amazon website but that are sold form other 'companies'? what kind of protection do you have? I am not talking articles that are form other companies but that Amazon handle them.
I saw one good article in Amazon FR (they dont ship to Spain though), but I was wondering what if it some kind of scam? The seller has good reputation but he is not old (less than 100 reviews, 4.6 stars.
I saw one good article in Amazon FR (they dont ship to Spain though), but I was wondering what if it some kind of scam? The seller has good reputation but he is not old (less than 100 reviews, 4.6 stars.
Stallion Dan
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No, you aren't reading very well. So continuing against your statement is pointless.
We're derailing too, let's agree to disagree.
foobarry81
Member
I love how you, two times in a row now, only quote the short bits where you aren't completely proven wrong (yet).
Nothing to disagree on. Your feelings about Nintendo and its pricing policies are your feelings. It was silly of me to try and bring in reason.
I got my Wii U less than 6 months after launch for £150 from Asda so I am not too concerned about the Switch prices just yet. If it flops the prices will crash as shops try to ditch their unsold launch inventory but if it's successful then that means third parties will start supporting it and we'll get more software later on making the cost of entry a bit easier to swallow. Either way waiting to see what happens is the way to go.
Markitron
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Honestly, I think it would have to do Wii numbers in it's first year for this to happen. The lack of power compared to PS4 and XB1 is obviously turning third parties off.
Because they had a lower RRP. Now their RRp is on line with PS4 and XB1 games.
FantasticMrSnake
Member
Is someone buying that?
I'm really curious, for me is one of those games that people will buy for less than £3 to have an spare case..
Noones played the complete package yet, just whatever games they could get hold of at the event. I'll get it for £20 so far though.