Well, all I can tell ya is my experience with my refurbed A400. Got it about 2 months ago from Newegg for $211 total. It came in an unwrapped, but otherwise new-condition, box with all the discs & dongles, including the games. My was a revision one board, if that means anything. The card had no apparent marks or defects on it-if I didn't know better, I would have sworn it was a new card. A couple of weeks after getting it, I put an Arctic Cooler NV5 Silencer on it (this was before I was aware of the new Thermalright cooler) and I now have it overclocked rock-steady at Ultra speeds. I've played Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 on it with no graphical issues-no artifacts or slowdowns. My 3dMark05 scores went from 2069 with my old 9700pro to 5338 with the A400 overclocked. Of course, YMMV if ya jump in on this.