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Chinese-American grandpa fatally shot by security guard while playing Pokemon Go
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Fuck this. Saying he has a mental issues laughs in the face of the millions of people who suffer from mental illness and work hard everyday to maintain a normal life. The guy is a murdering piece of shit. Simple as that. Fuck him.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
I didn't realize this had gotten an update. I'm just going to comment on one thing:
That is bullshit. Security companies itemize services to get more money out of clients, armed services is specified in a contract and costs much more than unarmed service. No contractee is ever going to leave it up to the contractor to decide on their own when they will charge more, the contract is drawn and the rate is set. The client has a budget for security service, and the contract that is drawn up has to fit into that budget. They hired armed service or unarmed service, there's no way they gave the security company carte blanche to decide which service on what day and why.
UPDATE: Alleged killer has parted ways with his attorney
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...ts-ways-attorneys-n746326?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_aa
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...ts-ways-attorneys-n746326?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_aa
Alleged?
capitalCORN
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God I hope he represents himself!
I had a really hard time wrapping my mind around this one because most security guards here in Canada aren't allowed to carry guns (other than jewellery or banks / cash i believe) and I can't possibly think of what kind of threat this man presented that would cause this to ever happen.
lightskintwin
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But then he might have a legit case of having mental issues.
capitalCORN
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Incompetence is not acknowledged in DSM-5.
lightskintwin
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There you go making me google shit I don't know. LOL
Always a promising sign of innocence
Gully State
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Unspecified disorder ..
Nydius
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New update on the case:
Despite his new attorney arguing that his client should be charged with a lesser crime, the security guard, Cromwell, has been indicted on the higher charge of first-degree murder rather than the original charge of second-degree murder. He also now has a second connected charge of using a firearm in the commission of a felony.
Apparently the district attorney feels there's enough evidence to prove that Cromwell acted with premeditation.
His trial is slated to begin in late September.
Despite his new attorney arguing that his client should be charged with a lesser crime, the security guard, Cromwell, has been indicted on the higher charge of first-degree murder rather than the original charge of second-degree murder. He also now has a second connected charge of using a firearm in the commission of a felony.
Apparently the district attorney feels there's enough evidence to prove that Cromwell acted with premeditation.
His trial is slated to begin in late September.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Jeez, almost expecting it to become a hate crime when it's over.
StarCreator
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Now I really wonder what they have on him, and hope it's enough for that charge to stick, because he'll walk if they trumped the charge up too much.
Link
The Autumn Wind
Probably the idea.
That's very odd. I don't think I've ever heard of a charge escalating to something higher. Usually it's de-escalating something to something easier to convict.
There must be some serious dirt there if the attorney thinks he can be convicted for more.
There must be some serious dirt there if the attorney thinks he can be convicted for more.
I certainly hope not, though it's possible.
That's very odd. I don't think I've ever heard of a charge escalating to something higher. Usually it's de-escalating something to something easier to convict.
There must be some serious dirt there if the attorney thinks he can be convicted for more.
I certainly hope not, though it's possible.
I can only surmise something came up in discovery. Maybe social media posts, or something that came out of depos.
RecRoulette
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I know it's bad to think this way, but I'm sort of relieved that the update wasn't just "HE GOT AWAY WITH IT!"
Nydius
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Doesn't necessarily have to be camping. Could just be that they think they can prove that he willfully decided to shoot the guy knowing that he didn't pose a threat. Or something to that effect.
I hope this isn't the case. I wouldn't be surprised if they're taking what they have and trying to use that to leverage a stronger plea bargain. I do agree in that I hope they aren't setting themselves up for a fall.
///PATRIOT
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trigger-happy asshole.
It goes to the state of the mind of the guy when he killed the victim.
It means some planning was involved, which is why the punishment is that much more severe.
Even if they don't get him on 1st I am sure they will nail him on 2nd degree.
Because it is such a fucked up and high profile crime I doubt he is even going to get a chance to plea bargain. This guy is going to jail for a very long time.
Why did a security guard have a gun? How would a language barrier make you shoot someone through the windshield? "Oh he's arguing with me in another language, guess I should shoot him because he's confusing me" .
This is probably the dumbest excuse ive seen in a situation like this.
Edit: Just saw the charge increase. Good
This is probably the dumbest excuse ive seen in a situation like this.
Edit: Just saw the charge increase. Good
Captin Quacker
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hell that's what I was thinking happened when I saw the bump
Are you saying the prosecutor is overcharging to help the guy get off?
TetraGenesis
Member
MURDER. Fucking MURDER. Do NOT let him get away with this, legal system. Do NOT.
Probably should have stuck to second degree.
I don't know if you know anything about juries (I'm an expert) but juries are given fairly specific instructions depending on the charge. If they can't make something like premeditation stick for the juries, there's a good chance they'll end up hung or even acquit.
I don't know if you know anything about juries (I'm an expert) but juries are given fairly specific instructions depending on the charge. If they can't make something like premeditation stick for the juries, there's a good chance they'll end up hung or even acquit.
StopMakingSense
Member
Doesn't need to be any planning, just a decision of 'I intend to kill this person.'.
excelsiorlef
Member
I don't know if once he's charged and arraigned on First he can be found guilty of Second. Hence the fear of potentially over charging
Might be wrong though
Well, yes and no. In some instances, the jury is able to find for a lesser charge. Second degree could still be on the table. But my question was more to the asinine assertion that the prosecuter would up the charge to help the accused in any way whatsoever.
Showing a history of "wanting to kill someone", be it social media posts, search history, etc can show previous intent. Being a Secruity Guard, it wouldn't surprise me if this guy attempted to be a cop and was denied after failing the psych evaluation for being a complete nut. Back when I worked loss prevention before college, half the people there fell into that category. Glad they didn't have a license to carry...
Sir Abacus
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Second degree murder is a lesser included offense of first degree murder in Virginia. If the evidence doesn't support first the jury will be instructed to instead consider convicting on second degree. It also includes lesser includeds all the way down so even if they don't get murder they still have voluntary or involuntary manslaughter. But a homicide is usually prima facie for second degree murder and it's up to the defendant to drag the jury back down to voluntary or involuntary manslaughter.
Hopefully he gets the conviction.
Thanks for the clarification regarding Virginia's statutes.
Well that seems utterly reasonable.
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