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[HaloSon]

We don't know the shooter's race. But good for you, jumping to conclusions like that.

Minorities can also buy into white supremacy you know...

 

[Mick Swagger]

Even if all of that were true how the fuck does that justify pulling out a gun and shooting him?!

I hope his family has a really good lawyer!

The real question is how does that justify pulling out a gun he was contractually obligated not to have on him.

 

[gutter_trash]

Minorities can also buy into white supremacy you know...

= George Zimmerman

 

[S-Wind]

We don't know the shooter's race. But good for you, jumping to conclusions like that.

Quote the part where I said anything about the race of the shooter.

I'm waiting....

 

[see5harp]

It's shocking to me that this hasn't even made a blip on national news. I know people are currently busy worrying about national politics but this shit is foul.

 

[Desi]

Truly awful and upsetting that going to for weapon is the first response for absolutely anything in the united States

 

[blakep267]

It's shocking to me that this hasn't even made a blip on national news. I know people are currently busy worrying about national politics but this shit is foul.

A lot of stuff is flying under the radar lately. Let's not act like police shootings have all of a sudden stopped these last few months.

 

[Rembrandt]

That's fucking terrible. Five times through the windshield? I can't imagine any scenario where that's necessary.

 

[spwolf]

Even if all of that were true how the fuck does that justify pulling out a gun and shooting him?!

I hope his family has a really good lawyer!

it does not... it is a murder, as simple as that. I dont see what he could have done to justify, company is trying to do it so they dont get sued.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Chinese guy was just sitting in the van? Security guards not allowed to carry firearms? Man what happened that the guard unloaded through the windows ?... even when they argued and the chinese guy didn't understand. The guard surely didn't think that the chinese guy was a suicide bomber or any real threat.

If shots were fired through the windshield I guess a possible scenario is that there was some kind of argument at driver side window, security guard moves to front of car, car starts moving at him. Of course this is all just speculation but if that happens just get out of the way don't fire multiple rounds into a car. Hopefully he gets what's coming to him and this is awful for the family.

 

[boiled goose]

No arrests right?

No. You fucking arrest the killer and then determine if the killing was justified. HE WAS SHOT THROUGH THE FUCKING WINDSHIELD.

If shots were fired through the windshield I guess a possible scenario is that there was some kind of argument at driver side window, security guard moves to front of car, car starts moving at him. Of course this is all just speculation but if that happens just get out of the way don't fire multiple rounds into a car. Hopefully he gets what's coming to him and this is awful for the family.

You don't stop a moving car by shooting at it. You get out of the way. This was fucking murder.
Only in this fucking country do (white) murderers that use guns get the benefit of the doubt for the most contrived impossible scenario when killing someone.

 

[ZOONAMI]

No arrests right?

No. You fucking arrest the killer and then determine if the killing was justified. HE WAS SHOT THROUGH THE FUCKING WINDSHIELD.



You don't stop a moving car by shooting at it. You get out of the way. This was fucking murder.

That's exactly what I said.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

Sounds about right.

We don't know that the shooter is white. Even if he is, I don't see this as a race issue; more of a gun discussion.

Grown man sitting alone idly inside a van can be suspicious. Security guard goes to check out the scene. Talks to the guy only to find that he doesn't respond or respond back with a bunch of gibberish. He likely tells the old man to show his hand or not to move and when the old man doesn't follow, he mows his down.

The wide availability of gun, imo, is what motivated the security to shoot first. He's thinking if i don't shoot him, this guy MIGHT shoot me. But you can't shoot someone for not understanding english. Whether he is white, black, brown or martian he is going to jail.

I'll call it now and say I fucking doubt it.

 

[mr jones]

A grandfather playing pokemon go.. in a neighborhood he lives in.. decides to give it all up and kill a security guard?

That's the possibility to wait for the truth about.

Well. I mean anything is possible. Sure doesn't sound likely. Especially with the armed guard. That shouldn't have been armed..

But... hmm.

You don't know that. How do they know he was playing pokemon? He wasn't alive to say that he was. And you wouldn't have known anyway, because he couldn't speak english like an American should. Who is to say what he was REALLY doing in that van? Why did he start a fight with security guard? A guard wouldn't draw his weapon unless he was in fear for his l-

Man, I can't even keep that bullshit narrative going.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I'd really like to see the outline of the story that makes it "reasonable and justified" to fire repeatedly on an elderly man who hasn't left his vehicle.

I have almost zero faith the guard will be convicted, mind you.

 

[Donos]

If shots were fired through the windshield I guess a possible scenario is that there was some kind of argument at driver side window, security guard moves to front of car, car starts moving at him. Of course this is all just speculation but if that happens just get out of the way don't fire multiple rounds into a car. Hopefully he gets what's coming to him and this is awful for the family.

Yeah i bet the chinese guy had enough and wanted to go and the guard is probably going to say that chinese guy wanted to run him over.

 

[Blank!]

You don't know that. How do they know he was playing pokemon? He wasn't alive to say that he was. And you wouldn't have known anyway, because he couldn't speak english like an American should. Who is to say what he was REALLY doing in that van? Why did he start a fight with security guard? A guard wouldn't draw his weapon unless he was in fear for his l-

Man, I can't even keep that bullshit narrative going.

I would find it suspicious when anyone claims they were playing pokemon go. I honestly thought this thread was bumped from like months ago.

 

[hirokazu]

And you wouldn't have known anyway, because he couldn't speak english like an American should.

The fuck is this shit? So it's okay to shoot and kill someone over a misunderstanding because they can't speak English? Fuck off with that.

You don't have to be good at English to be an American.

 

[Glix]

The fuck is this shit? So it's okay to shoot and kill someone over a misunderstanding because they can't speak English? Fuck off with that.

Its seems to be okay to kill people in this country if you "feel scared"

 

[RinsFury]

The fuck is this shit? So it's okay to shoot and kill someone over a misunderstanding because they can't speak English? Fuck off with that.

You don't have to be good at English to be an American.

It's obvious sarcasm. But yes, this is what white supremacists actually believe.

 

[Shoeless]

You don't have to be good at English to be an American.

Many Americans have proven this in unpresidented ways recently.

 

[hughesta]

Many Americans have proven this in unpresidented ways recently.

fucking solid

 

[jellies_two]

Its seems to be okay to kill people in this country if you "feel scared"

America has the worlds most advanced victim blaming research. A small but fast growing field of export excellence!

 

[HoodWinked]

this security guard must be a complete moron. the only possible scenario i can think of is maybe the victim was reaching for something but considering that an argument ensued prior to the shooting it makes it even more absurd.

seems more like some dumbass security guard just got fed up with arguing and just executed the dude on a power trip.

dude needs to go to jail and security company needs to be sued for millions.

 

[S-Wind]

UPDATE

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...y-officer-shoot-60-year-old-n717481?cid=sm_fb

‘Fear for His Life’ Led Security Officer to Shoot 60-Year-Old Grandfather, Attorney Says

An attorney for a Virginia-based security company said the shooting of a 60-year-old man last month was "justifiable" after a security officer felt his life was in danger when the man tried to run the officer down with his van.

Andrew Sacks, attorney for Citywide Protection Services, spoke to reporters Monday about the fatal shooting of Jiansheng Chen, who died after a Citywide officer discharged his firearm at Chen's van in the River Walk neighborhood of Chesapeake, Virginia.

"Our focus is on what happened that night," Sacks told NBC News following the press conference, adding that Citywide Protection Services was cooperating fully with ongoing investigations into the Jan. 26 incident, but wanted to counter any information out there that sought to misrepresent the company's actions.

According to a prepared statement read by Sacks, two individuals, either related to or close to Chen, were given notices they were barred from the area for a year by Citywide officers in 2015 for being in an area they were not permitted to be in after hours. On Jan. 16, 2017, two Citywide officers encountered Chen and one of the individuals previously barred, and determined they were "in violation of the community's rules by being where they were after hours." Both were given "bar notices" from the area for six months.

On Jan. 26, shortly before 11 p.m., Sacks said the individual who was with Chen on Jan. 16 returned to the area, and one of the Citywide officers (who was present for the Jan. 16 stop) escorted the individual back to their home and was told they were not allowed to trespass.

A short time later, according to Sacks, the same officer observed a blue van in the neighborhood, and recognized the driver as Chen. When the officer attempted to approach the van and make an inquiry about why Chen was in the area, Sacks said Chen "backed up and started moving forward at which point the officer was in front of the van again commanding that it stop."

Sacks said the officer attempted to get out of the way, but "whatever evasive action the security guard tried to take, the van tracked and followed the officer ignoring commands to stop."

"Faced with an immediate threat to his life and safety, the officer brandished his weapon and again commanded the driver to stop but the driver did not," Sacks said. "Ultimately, faced with a situation in which he could not safely escape the oncoming van headed straight for him, the security guard, out of total necessity, and in reasonable fear for his life and safety, fired in an effort to stop and repel the threat to his life and safety."

Sacks' statement on Monday provides different details about the night of the shooting than what Chen family attorney, Greg Sandler, told NBC News last week. According to Sandler, Chen had just dropped his sister-in-law off at home, then left in his van around 10:30 p.m. to go out to play Pokemon Go, which he enjoyed as a way to engage with his nieces, nephews, and grandchildren.

When Chen didn't answer his phone after several calls, Chen's brother went out to search for him, and came upon the police scene with Chen's minivan shot multiple times, according to Sandler.

"The information that we have seen at the van and learned from a couple of people who either saw or heard various parts of this indicated that the security person was standing in front of the van and fired somewhere between five and 10 shots directly through the driver's front windshield of the van," Sandler said. "Mr. Chen was killed instantly."

In a statement released by Sandler, the Chen family described Chen as a "man with [a] loving heart" and a "pioneer" who was the first in the family to immigrate to the U.S. from China. At a vigil held Sunday night in the River Walk neighborhood, dozens came out to show their support for the family as they waited for information from the police.

"Everybody in the Chinese community is very sad," Yuzhu Zheng, a Virginia Beach resident who didn't know Chen but attended the vigil, told The Virginian-Pilot. "They hope they can get fair justice."

Sandler did not immediately respond to an NBC News request for comment Monday evening.

Chesapeake Police Department spokeswoman Officer Kelly Elliott told NBC News last week that the security officer had gone to speak with Chen, but had no additional specifics to give. "There was not a physical altercation. There was a disagreement," Elliot, who also said nobody has been charged in the incident, said.

A voicemail left Monday afternoon with a spokeswoman for the Chesapeake Police Department was not immediately returned, and the Commonwealth's Attorney for the City of Chesapeake could not immediately be reached for comment.

A voicemail left at a phone number listed on the website of the River Walk Community Association was also not returned.

Sacks told NBC News he was not in the position to release the sources of his investigation, and said he has no knowledge of any video or audio recordings from the night of Jan. 26. "There may be one, but I don't have one or haven't been provided one," he said.

Sacks also said there were no immediate plans to release the written bar notices that were given to Chen or the other individuals who were stopped for trespassing.

When asked during the press conference by a reporter if the security company could be sure Chen and others understood the bar notices, given that Chen's command of English was "very limited," according to family attorney Sandler, Sacks said, "I'm not going to comment, I'm not going to try and speculate. I think the bar notices speak for themselves."

Sacks added he didn't feel there was a language barrier during the investigation and aftermath of the Jan. 26 shooting. Sacks told NBC News that he had no comment on the officer in question's employment status at this time, but that Citywide was a private security company licensed by the state of Virginia to provide protection and security services — including armed services.

Sacks also said that Citywide has not reached out to Chen's family while the investigation continues, but are expressing their sympathies through Monday's statement, which Citywide felt was important to release at this time.

"If what I have represented to you in this statement turns out to be the facts, then it isn't even a close question that this was a justifiable shooting," Sacks said at the press conference. "A tragic one, a very sad one, but we live in a country where we have a right to defend ourselves and our lives and our persons when we are threatened with death or imminent bodily harm. And that's what our investigation indicates is the case here."

Deja Vu....

Reminds me of George Zimmerman's bullshit of "I feared for my life"

 

[Mr. X]

Waiting to hear he shot 5 times to put the car into park.

 

[mrkgoo]

UPDATE

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...y-officer-shoot-60-year-old-n717481?cid=sm_fb




Deja Vu....

Reminds me of George Zimmerman's bullshit of "I feared for my life"

It's not that hard to get out of the way of van that is only just starting to "Track" you.

I just hate how some people are willing to brandish a weapon such as a gun as a supposed means of defence. It's a threat. How dow we know that the driver didn't "fear for his life" when the gun was brandished and used his vehicle as a defence?

 

[AgentP]

Is putting that he is Chinese important?

 

[BombStrike]

Yeah somehow he had time to land 5 to 10 well aimed shots when "faced with a situation in which he could not safely escape the oncoming van headed straight for him" and miraculously stopping the vehicle before it could hit him sounds like utter bullshit.

I wish there was a security recording of the incident.

 

[Wolfe]

It's not that hard to get out of the way of van that is only just starting to "Track" you.

I just hate how some people are willing to brandish a weapon such as a gun as a supposed means of defence. It's a threat. How dow we know that the driver didn't "fear for his life" when the gun was brandished and used his vehicle as a defence?

Yeah that shit reads like a damn naked gun movie scene, with the van moving slowly and the guy running back and forth in place. What a joke.

 

[spazchicken]

Waiting to hear he shot 5 times to put the car into park.

This got my mind racing with the craziest of trick shot images before making me go into Face Off style laughter.

You are no good.

So I haven't had time to look into it yet but I wonder how the Chinese community is dealing with this situation.

 

[Owari]

Really terrible. This security guard is clearly an unstable piece of shit that needs to be put in jail, but Pokemon Go has caused a lot of situations like this, maybe there should be more warnings about trespassing and in more languages.

Heartbreaking, he was probably trying to catch something good for his grandchildren. This is really really sad.

 

[eqqsquizitine]

Is putting that he is Chinese important?

Of course, why wouldn't it be?

 

[rainking187]

Sacks also said there were no immediate plans to release the written bar notices that were given to Chen or the other individuals who were stopped for trespassing.

When asked during the press conference by a reporter if the security company could be sure Chen and others understood the bar notices, given that Chen's command of English was "very limited," according to family attorney Sandler, Sacks said, "I'm not going to comment, I'm not going to try and speculate. I think the bar notices speak for themselves."

"The bar notices speak for themselves."

"Okay, can we see them?"

"No."

 

[milkham]

Of course, why wouldn't it be?

I expect it will be a "i don't see race" kind of thing

 

[Valkerionseven]

Wait so his defense was that the old man tried to run him down, he evaded multiple times and then pulled his gun to show a threat that he should stop for, when he did not he decided to shoot through the windshield multiple times instead of calling the actual police?

Man, either he is fucking Tom Cruise in an action movie or this is some bs.

 

[massoluk]

Truly awful and upsetting that going to for weapon is the first response for absolutely anything in the united States

For fucking real

 

[neshcom]

UPDATE

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...y-officer-shoot-60-year-old-n717481?cid=sm_fb

Deja Vu....

Reminds me of George Zimmerman's bullshit of "I feared for my life"

Love that they keep calling him an officer. The shooter was a security guard who was not supposed to be brandishing a firearm. You can already see them trying to paint the grandfather as a delinquent with associations to ambiguously troublesome entities.

And if the security guard had time to notice the grandfather shift into reverse, reverse, shift into drive, and then drive forward, he had time to move over ten feet.

 

[leroidys]

God, the story is even worse than his headline. Sitting in his car. The security guard was not supposed to be armed. Shot 5 times through the windshield. Jesus.

 

[Hierophant]

How fast can a Van rev up? Really cant you just sidestep it, especially as a fit security guard

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Bullshit. You tell the guy to leave, but jump in front of the van when he's about to leave? Great logic, you gun totting dumbfuck.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Managed to stay infront of van at all times to shoot through windshield somehow as it was 'tracking him'. Van either had fucking harrier jump-jet shit on its sides and a hover mode or lying piece of shit is a murderer.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

But was dude intentionally trying to run the guard over?

Or did the dude see the guard and say "Shit, time to go" and the guard jumped IN FRONT of the van and pop rounds in the windshield to stop him?

Camera footage?

 

[suzu]

So he wanted the guy to leave the area, but proceeded to stand in front of the vehicle the entire time?

 

[l2ounD]

Wait so his defense was that the old man tried to run him down, he evaded multiple times and then pulled his gun to show a threat that he should stop for, when he did not he decided to shoot through the windshield multiple times instead of calling the actual police?

Man, either he is fucking Tom Cruise in an action movie or this is some bs.

Id love to see a recreation of events of him trying to dodge and the grandpa trying to run him over.

 

[commedieu]

So he wanted the guy to leave the area, but proceeded to stand in front of the vehicle the entire time?

And commanded it to stop...we can't forget this. A's it all adds to the clock.

He had all this time to move and Call actual police. He knew who the person was, and where he lived.

And they are trying to spin him as an office to get that blue credit.

The Asian community is good at protesting this shut. They better get that company sued to oblivion and this man in jail. The 60 year old man trapped him and wanted to murder him so he could do what exactly? Stay in the area after 11pm! The prefect crime!!!!

Shot 5 times for trespassing. Why is it that cowards always seem to be the ones with guns? Me? Step aside calls it in. This guy? HE MUST BEND TO MY AUTHOR...OMG I'm scared!!!!

 

[Gully State]

Let's hypothetically take the shooter for his word....It still doesn't explain why this security guard has a gun given that it's company policy for them to not carry one.

 

[DR2K]

Even the police show more restraint than this in their killings.

 

[greepoman]

Could they use the history in Pokemon Go to see the actual movements of the van? How does that game work?

 

[Spiral Insanity]

Sounds about right.

We don't know that the shooter is white. Even if he is, I don't see this as a race issue; more of a gun discussion.

Grown man sitting alone idly inside a van can be suspicious. Security guard goes to check out the scene. Talks to the guy only to find that he doesn't respond or respond back with a bunch of gibberish. He likely tells the old man to show his hand or not to move and when the old man doesn't follow, he mows his down.

The wide availability of gun, imo, is what motivated the security to shoot first. He's thinking if i don't shoot him, this guy MIGHT shoot me. But you can't shoot someone for not understanding english. Whether he is white, black, brown or martian he is going to jail.

There is so much wrong with your post. Why is it always j...nevermind.