Chris Benoit family conference on CNN : official thread

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Branduil said:
Even I didn't think Drinky would go that low... it's one thing to make fun of video game fans, another to joke about recent murders...

What is a Crippler Crossface?
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wikipedia said:
From behind the opponent the wrestler locks his hands together and pulls back on the face of the opponent, pulling the neck of the opponent backwards. The move requires some leverage to be applied, and as such it cannot be applied on a freely standing opponent.

The most common variant sees a wrestler lock one arm of a fallen opponent, who is belly down on the mat with the wrestler on top and to the side, and placing it between their legs before locking their hands around the opponent's chin or face and pulling back to stretch the opponent's neck and shoulder. This variation was innovated by Dean Malenko, and popularised by Chris Benoit as the Crippler Crossface.

A variation where the wrestler just lays on his side on the back of the opponent while applying the crossface was popularised by TAKA Michinoku as Just Facelock.

Mitsuharu Misawa innovated a seated variation where he hooks an arm of a seated opponent with one of his legs and places his other leg against the back of the opponent to trap him before applying the crossface.

Chris Hero uses an inverted cravate variation as part of his Hangman's Clutch submissions where after locking the opponent's arm he twists his body so the hand positioning is reversed with the right hand on the left side of the opponents face and the left hand on the right side.

Another variation of this move, known as a spinning headscissors crossface, sees the attacking wrestler perform a spinning headscissors before wrapping around the opponent's body and bringing the opponent's arm between the attacker's legs, forcing them to the ground and applying the crossface hold.
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You know what? Wrestling is ****ed up.

Read this shit, off topic, but wow. Austin is a ****ing dick:

Steve Austin's ex-wife, Debra Marhsall, commented on the Benoit Family Tragedy in a story published by My Fox TV in Colorado:

Regarding domestic abuse and drugs in pro wrestling, she said: "The domestic and drug abuse is out of hand in the WWE and something needs to be done about it."

Regarding the pattern of deaths in pro wrestling, she said: "In the last ten years, 60 wrestlers under age 45 have died... all in the prime of their lives. Big strong men, who somehow die with little or no investigation of the organization that encourages performers to use muscle-enhancing drugs."

The article concludes:

Ms. Williams claims she and Nancy Benoit's stories are very similar.
Both sought help from law enforcement because of domestic abuse. In 2003, Benoit sought a divorce from Chris Benoit saying he physically abused her, she also asked the courts for a restraining order. Williams did the same thing on the third occasion when she says she was attacked by "Stone Cold."

Williams says, like Benoit, Austin all but forced her to write a letter to authorities saying her complaint was a mistake. But in Williams's case, the courts put Austin on probation for a year. In return, Ms. Williams was placed under a gag order, forcing her to remain silent about the "dark side" of professional wrestling, filled with drugs, booze, and domestic abuse.

"If only I had spoken up sooner, maybe Nancy and her little boy would be alive today... that's why I'm going public now, something has to change!"

In the TV report, she said:

-"Everyone thought we had this wonderful life, had this big house, worked together."

-"Steroids! He (Steve Austin) was doing steroids. I saw him do it, so I know he did it."

-"I have lived it. I have lived domestic abuse. I don't even want to think about what Nancy went through."

-"Why kill your wife, who's innocent, and why kill your seven year old, a little child. That's why I have to speak up. I've been silent for too many years." She said a gag order prevented her from talking about it her case with Austiin for a year.

-"I know what it feels like to have someone really, really big on top of you hitting you."

-"I had him arrested for hitting me."

-"I have a huge voice being that I was a wrestler, in it, abused, and married to the top guy. I'm glad I'm alive."

[Thanks to PWTorch.com reader Dan Wanush]
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Yea, that pattern of behavior, (Steve Willams is known to have abused at least 2 other women) is why I will never, ever support Wifebeater and/or his remaining fans.
 
I love the passion in this thread and the awareness for domestic abuse and whatnot...but really...people are killed everyday and no one cares...sad really. I hope you all think about that for 5 minutes...Iraq, Africa, etc...tragedies happen everyday and no one gets upset...we can all say there were "warning signs" and something should be done to make sure they don't happen again...but even in Iraq and Africa there are warning signs of murder...genocide...yet we continue to do nothing. Think about all the innocent children and mothers that are dying because of the USA in Iraq and the genocide in Darfur? Really...is society going to change? Are we going to work towards peace here and abroad by taking action or are we just going to talk about it until a bigger story comes along and wipes this and the other big stories of the day(Iraq, Darfur) off the page once again. I'm glad to see people showing concern about innocent lives...as I don't see that too often from the populace at large...but the question then becomes...what will you do to make sure shit like this doesn't happen again or similar tragedies here and around the globe. Will you call your congressperson? Will you call your senator? Will you support a department of peace? Will you support increases into education funding? Will you support healthcare for all Americans? Really, there is a lot we can do...but I don't know if any one of you have even done those things yet. This WILL happen again if we as a society do not change...that is all I am saying.
 
ErasureAcer said:
I love the passion in this thread and the awareness for domestic abuse and whatnot...but really...people are killed everyday and no one cares...sad really. I hope you all think about that for 5 minutes...Iraq, Africa, etc...tragedies happen everyday and no one gets upset...we can all say there were "warning signs" and something should be done to make sure they don't happen again...but even in Iraq and Africa there are warning signs of murder...genocide...yet we continue to do nothing. Think about all the innocent children and mothers that are dying because of the USA in Iraq and the genocide in Darfur? Really...is society going to change? Are we going to work towards peace here and abroad by taking action or are we just going to talk about it until a bigger story comes along and wipes this and the other big stories of the day(Iraq, Darfur) off the page once again. I'm glad to see people showing concern about innocent lives...as I don't see that too often from the populace at large...but the question then becomes...what will you do to make sure shit like this doesn't happen again or similar tragedies here and around the globe. Will you call your congressperson? Will you call your senator? Will you support a department of peace? Will you support increases into education funding? Will you support healthcare for all Americans? Really, there is a lot we can do...but I don't know if any one of you have even done those things yet. This WILL happen again if we as a society do not change...that is all I am saying.
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Was any of this plagiarized from some DNC recruiting pamphlet or something?
 
ErasureAcer said:
I love the passion in this thread and the awareness for domestic abuse and whatnot...but really...people are killed everyday and no one cares...sad really. I hope you all think about that for 5 minutes...Iraq, Africa, etc...tragedies happen everyday and no one gets upset...we can all say there were "warning signs" and something should be done to make sure they don't happen again...but even in Iraq and Africa there are warning signs of murder...genocide...yet we continue to do nothing. Think about all the innocent children and mothers that are dying because of the USA in Iraq and the genocide in Darfur? Really...is society going to change? Are we going to work towards peace here and abroad by taking action or are we just going to talk about it until a bigger story comes along and wipes this and the other big stories of the day(Iraq, Darfur) off the page once again. I'm glad to see people showing concern about innocent lives...as I don't see that too often from the populace at large...but the question then becomes...what will you do to make sure shit like this doesn't happen again or similar tragedies here and around the globe. Will you call your congressperson? Will you call your senator? Will you support a department of peace? Will you support increases into education funding? Will you support healthcare for all Americans? Really, there is a lot we can do...but I don't know if any one of you have even done those things yet. This WILL happen again if we as a society do not change...that is all I am saying.
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Wait wut?
Ugh..
 
Dudes...Like you should be paying attention to stuff happening in Africa... and the proper use of ellipses...
 
It's crazy to think that Benoit was my favorite wrestler partially because of how crazy and dangerous and crazy he looked. :/
 
The response I expected. This country never learns. Ugh.

You guys can be shocked and upset all you want but you will just be more shocked and more upset when it happens again, as it will unless you urge your congresspeople to do something about this. Or maybe you all only care because it is a celebrity who committed the murder, I don't know. It seems like some of you actually care about the wife/mother and child but then again I think many of you think that this is all just some story and not actual real life. This shit is real, it happens everyday, and since a celebrity did do this and brought attention to domestic violence I thought some of you may actually get off your ass and do something about it or other tragedies that claim innocent lives...(yes there's an ellipse...and another) but instead some of you would rather critique my writing and accuse me of ripping pages from the DNC handbook(fact: The DNC doesn't currently support a Department of Peace). Ridiculous! It's one thing to ACT upset, it's another thing to actually be upset and do something constructive about domestic violence.

Now that some of you might be genuinely angry...how bout you enlighten yourself:

http://kucinich.us/issues/domestic_violence.php
http://kucinich.us/issues/mental_health.php
http://kucinich.us/issues/universalhealth.php
http://kucinich.us/issues/departmentpeace.php

And then maybe if you actually still care about making a difference enlighten your representatives:

http://www.house.gov/writerep/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

I'm sure this post will get double the "WTF!" posts but if you are actually are serious about domestic violence then you should do something constructive to stop it.
 
ErasureAcer said:
The response I expected. This country never learns. Ugh.

You guys can be shocked and upset all you want but you will just be more shocked and more upset when it happens again, as it will unless you urge your congresspeople to do something about this. Or maybe you all only care because it is a celebrity who committed the murder, I don't know. It seems like some of you actually care about the wife/mother and child but then again I think many of you think that this is all just some story and not actual real life. This shit is real, it happens everyday, and since a celebrity did do this and brought attention to domestic violence I thought some of you may actually get off your ass and do something about it or other tragedies that claim innocent lives...(yes there's an ellipse...and another) but instead some of you would rather critique my writing and accuse me of ripping pages from the DNC handbook(fact: The DNC doesn't currently support a Department of Peace). Ridiculous! It's one thing to ACT upset, it's another thing to actually be upset and do something constructive about domestic violence.

Now that some of you might be genuinely angry...how bout you enlighten yourself:

http://kucinich.us/issues/domestic_violence.php
http://kucinich.us/issues/mental_health.php
http://kucinich.us/issues/universalhealth.php
http://kucinich.us/issues/departmentpeace.php

And then maybe if you actually still care about making a difference enlighten your representatives:

http://www.house.gov/writerep/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

I'm sure this post will get double the "WTF!" posts but if you are actually are serious about domestic violence then you should do something constructive to stop it.
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What the fuck?
 
Did he click on the wrong thread or something? Nobody can understand you
when you do that wall of text thing.
 
[11:32] <Mandark> If only we had a department of peace, Benoit's family would be alive today!
[11:32] <Hyoushi_WRK> VOTE FOR CHANGE!!1!
[11:32] <Seijuurou> kucinich will inspire americans not to strangle their wives
 
What the **** indeed! I got one guy laughing and another one not seeing the root cause to this tragedy. Where are Kevin, Gene and Feldman? I'm obviously in bizarro world.
 
Hyoushi said:
[11:32] <Mandark> If only we had a department of peace, Benoit's family would be alive today!
[11:32] <Hyoushi_WRK> VOTE FOR CHANGE!!1!
[11:32] <Seijuurou> kucinich will inspire americans not to strangle their wives
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Win + awesome.

Edit - Wait, hold on, is this dude kidding? He's kidding, right?
 
ErasureAcer said:
What the **** indeed! I got one guy laughing and another one not seeing the root cause to this tragedy. Where are Kevin, Gene and Feldman? I'm obviously in bizarro world.
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What is the root cause of this tragedy, at least in your mind?
 
Enough of those DNC talking points. What kind of idiots you think we are if we dont know the differance between killing a woman and child and then yourself, and casulities in war.

Such foolishiness. Maybe yesterday, i would have defended him, but today i can never do it. Its sad, but its life. I have done enough crying for people who didnt deserve it. So stoping being f*****s and move on.
 
Might wanna find a new expression of rage, the usage of such a word might just be bannable and this thread is highly patrolled.
 
I see Vince made a statement before the ECW show.... the statement seemed appropriate in terms of saying the tribute show was done before all the details came to light.

Man the more details that come out of this... the more I am just f'n stunned.. obviously, and thank goodness, it's safe to rule out roid rage at this point, the time gap's involved just don't work for that kinda thing.... doesn't make this any less sad....
 
The WWE stock only seems to have gone down .50 since the Benoit thing, the posted graphic makes it seem much worse but the drop from 17.5 to 16.5 happened before the whole incident got out.

I was expecting a much bigger drop due to this.
 
It honestly seems like people have no problem separating this from the WWE. When a wrestler's body just gives out after years of steroid abuse you look at the company he worked for. When a guy murders his family and then kills himself, you look at the guy and only the guy.

And while I think Austin's ex is putting way to much culpability on WWE for what happened both here and to her, I do agree with other sentiments in this thread that the WWE has to do something. If a mid-carder or jobber were to face domestic assault charges you know they'd be out on their asses. But if Cena were to do it, he might not even miss RAW. Look at Randy Orton. He's had less time off than a football off-season in the past year or so with all of the shit he's done.. shit that would make sure a jobber never wrestled in the WWE again.
 
Keyser Soze said:
The WWE stock only seems to have gone down .50 since the Benoit thing, the posted graphic makes it seem much worse but the drop from 17.5 to 16.5 happened before the whole incident got out.

I was expecting a much bigger drop due to this.
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Guess that means the investors are smarter than people expected. Everything I've read says since Eddie's death the WWE has had a much better no steroids program in place.
 
borghe said:
It honestly seems like people have no problem separating this from the WWE. When a wrestler's body just gives out after years of steroid abuse you look at the company he worked for. When a guy murders his family and then kills himself, you look at the guy and only the guy.
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A man's mind like his body is not an island unto itself. That is to say, it's affected by external sources, including drugs and culture (in this case the culture of wrestling).

I don't understand why credence should be given to the body but not the mind.

No, you can't excuse the behaviour of Bennoit, but neither should you ignore the external causes that may have helped culminate upto this tragic event.
 
Crayon Shinchan said:
No, you can't excuse the behaviour of Bennoit, but neither should you ignore the external causes that may have helped culminate upto this tragic event.
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so you should hold every employer accountable who has an employee lose it and start shooting people? How about schools? What about the stay at home mom's who kill their kids?

You should definitely look at what's going on in their lives that led up to the act. I agree entirely. But as I said, I think a lot of culpability is being applied to the WWE by default because of the nature of the industry (violence for lack of a more refined term). Let's not forget that murderer's have worked at virtually every type of job throughout history. Saying wrestling breeds murderers is about as irresponsible as saying chocolate factories breed homosexual cannibals.
 
Wow, I haven't been able to get on the net much the past few days, can't believe I didn't hear of this. Benoit was one of the few wrestlers left who I actually respected in the ring and now he has murdered his family. Such a ****ed up world. :(
 
Benoit was taking steroids before he came to the WWE. This isn't a case, like in the 90's, where Vince or WWE management was openly encouraging these guys to take them. They share no responsibility for any of this, none.

You can argue that without them, you will not have a career in the WWE. But that is not true. There are plenty of doughy, non-muscular types that have made money with the organization.
 
borghe said:
so you should hold every employer accountable who has an employee lose it and start shooting people? How about schools? What about the stay at home mom's who kill their kids?

You should definitely look at what's going on in their lives that led up to the act. I agree entirely. But as I said, I think a lot of culpability is being applied to the WWE by default because of the nature of the industry (violence for lack of a more refined term). Let's not forget that murderer's have worked at virtually every type of job throughout history. Saying wrestling breeds murderers is about as irresponsible as saying chocolate factories breed homosexual cannibals.
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Well can I say that wifebeaters are more likely to be murderers, and that the culture of WWE, to look away from steroid/pill/spousal abuse problems contributes towards creating a subculture of wifebeating (or other abuse problems?) in the sport.

Chris Bennoit was probably messed up to begin with; but I don't doubt that the wrestling culture (including its intense never take a break schedule and its extreme promotion of machismo) helped contribute some to the final outcome.

Otherwise what can we do? Ignore underlying causes and blame the already dead bennoit? And hope it doesn't happen again? Isn't that a little foolhardy?

If we're going to focusing so much attention on 3 deaths in America out of the many thousands that occur daily, we might as well use the attention for more than just satisfying our vultures of the macarbe.
 
borghe said:
It honestly seems like people have no problem separating this from the WWE. When a wrestler's body just gives out after years of steroid abuse you look at the company he worked for. When a guy murders his family and then kills himself, you look at the guy and only the guy.

And while I think Austin's ex is putting way to much culpability on WWE for what happened both here and to her, I do agree with other sentiments in this thread that the WWE has to do something. If a mid-carder or jobber were to face domestic assault charges you know they'd be out on their asses. But if Cena were to do it, he might not even miss RAW. Look at Randy Orton. He's had less time off than a football off-season in the past year or so with all of the shit he's done.. shit that would make sure a jobber never wrestled in the WWE again.
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what did randy orton do?
 
I never followed it closely to know the exact details, but IIRC lots of harassing women and shitting in gym bags. He was officially suspended for shitting in the gym bag, but there have been tons of confirmed reports of him harassing and just being an all around dick towards women.
 
borghe said:
I never followed it closely to know the exact details, but IIRC lots of harassing women and shitting in gym bags. He was officially suspended for shitting in the gym bag, but there have been tons of confirmed reports of him harassing and just being an all around dick towards women.
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and also failing drug tests, and getting caught with a SHITLOAD of drugs (a few months back)





edit also they are finding out benoits son had a disorder

DELTA (NEWS1130) - We may never know the reasons behind Chris Benoit's decision to take the life of his wife, young son and himself. However, a Delta woman, who was in contact with the Canadian wrestler a few years ago, said she might have some insight into the family. Pam Winthrope said Benoit's son had a genetic condition called Fragile X syndrome. Winthrope said she has experienced the condition first hand and knows how it can tear a family apart.

Fragile X syndrome is an inherited mental impairment. Pam's 12-year-old son has the condition and she said in an effort to shed light on the syndrome, her husband called Chris Benoit about five years ago.

She said, "We talked to him because I was trying to set up a support group in BC and in Canada, we only have a couple of them. My husband was struggling when we got diagnosed with our son, and Chris was struggling with his. They talked for a few minutes and then he said he didn't want to be a public face for Fragile X, he just wanted to keep it really, really quiet."

Winthrope said she couldn't believe the news that Benoit had taken his life along with his wife and 7-year-old son. She added that families can be torn apart by the disease because it's very difficult to find help and support. She said, "You as a parent have to go out there and find what's available and it's not easy --they don't tell you."

Authorities offered no motive for the killings, which were spread out over a weekend, and would not discuss Benoit&#8217;s state of mind.
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Purely morbid speculations, but I wonder if he killed himself out of regret at what he had done or because he realized that he wouldn't get away with it.
 
ZombieSupaStar said:
and also failing drug tests, and getting caught with a SHITLOAD of drugs (a few months back)





edit also they are finding out benoits son had a disorder
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I saw the thing on his son's disorder on ABC this morning. Said the child was very small for his age and that they believed his son may have been given growth hormones. I'm speculating Benoit was hurt, possibly even ashamed of his son because of the disorder. Maybe he also blamed his wife in some way. Dude had some serious issues and instead of accepting help, he closed himself off and flipped. Just my theory.
 
This story is just...scary. I can no longer watch a Benoit match the same way ever again. Kudos to the amount of talent the guy had, but this is unacceptable.
 
Javaman said:
Purely morbid speculations, but I wonder if he killed himself out of regret at what he had done or because he realized that he wouldn't get away with it.
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Well, considering he left a bible next to Nancy and then one next to Daniel, I would guess of regret for what he had done.
 
So... I havent been following this too closely, but has any potential motive come out?

Obviously he had some serious issues, but there had to be something to make him rush right home on Friday, bail out on the PPV, then proceed to kill his entire family.
 
Javaman said:
Purely morbid speculations, but I wonder if he killed himself out of regret at what he had done or because he realized that he wouldn't get away with it.
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hopefully lots of regret and sadness. Piece of shit deserved some misery before taking the easy way out. God, in new zealand this made pretty big news as well and the 'have your say' page it was filled with 'RIP chris, we loved you man'. Ugh, you always like to think your country men are smarter than the dumb americans spouting that shit, but it's just not true.
 
jmdajr said:
wwe in for some rough days.

Do you think Vince can bounce back from this one?
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The way I would do it is totally distance myself from Benoit and in every statement, focus on how heinous of an act it was and how Benoit was a monster. How Benoit just snapped.

One thing is that national meda and mainstream thinks of wrestlers as steriod junkies anyway, so in about 2 weeks the buzz will die down and the nation will move on. As much outrage as the media will have, they think of wrestlers and wrestling fans as freaks anyway, so not much will come out of this.
 
Jesus, 13 pages!

I have a lot of catching up to do.

I heard about this yesterday, but had such a crazy day I couldn't follow the story.

Such a sad story though. But he has the history. Benoit never really seemed stable.

Christ, I remember when Daniel was born, he talked about it on his blog and how happy he was.

Then this...
 
Im still in a state of shock over this.. it still doesnt seem real to me.

I rewatched some Benoit stuff on tape yesterday, and it just doesnt seem real. Its so wierd seeing a guy you rooted for for so long turning completely.
 
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