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CIA "accidentally" deletes copy of senate torture report.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-report-on-cia-torture-1429636113023030.html

The CIA inspector general’s office — the spy agency’s internal watchdog — has acknowledged it “mistakenly” destroyed its only copy of a mammoth Senate torture report at the same time lawyers for the Justice Department were assuring a federal judge that copies of the document were being preserved, Yahoo News has learned.

The deletion of the document has been portrayed by agency officials to Senate investigators as an “inadvertent” foul-up by the inspector general. In what one intelligence community source described as a series of errors straight “out of the Keystone Cops,” CIA inspector general officials deleted an uploaded computer file with the report and then accidentally destroyed a disk that also contained the document, filled with thousands of secret files about the CIA’s use of “enhanced” interrogation methods.
“It’s breathtaking that this could have happened, especially in the inspector general’s office — they’re the ones that are supposed to be providing accountability within the agency itself,” said Douglas Cox, a City University of New York School of Law professor who specializes in tracking the preservation of federal records. “It makes you wonder what was going on over there?”

But there are other copies. Will Barrack Obama keep his Chaos Emeralds?

To ensure the document was circulated widely within the government, and to preserve it for future declassification, Feinstein, in her closing days as chair, instructed that computer disks containing the full report be sent to the CIA and its inspector general, as well as the other U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies. Aides said Feinstein specifically included a separate copy for the CIA inspector general because she wanted the office to undertake a full review. Her goal, as she wrote at the time, was to ensure “that the system of detention and interrogation described in this report is never repeated.”
But her successor, Republican Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina, quickly asked for all of the disks to be returned, even threatening at one point to send a committee security officer to retrieve them. He contended the volumes are congressional records that were never intended for executive branch, much less public, distribution.
The administration, while not complying with Burr’s demand to return the disks, has essentially sided with him against releasing them to the public. Early last year, Justice lawyers instructed federal agencies to keep their copies of the document under lock and key, unopened, lest the courts treat them as government records subject to the Freedom of Information Act. Weeks later, in an effort to head off a motion for “emergency relief” by the ACLU, a Justice Department lawyer told U.S. Judge James Boasberg that no copies of the report would be returned to Congress or destroyed; the government “can assure the Court that it will preserve the status quo” until the Freedom of Information Act lawsuit was resolved, wrote Vesper Mei, a senior counsel in the Justice Department’s civil division, in a February 2015 filing.

That's all I'm posting. Much more at the link. Also, I want to point out that this presidential election has the CIA torture report at stake. If a Republican is elected, those copies will be returned to the Senate and destroyed.

Delete me if old.
 

TheSeks

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instructed that computer disks containing the full report be sent to the CIA and its inspector general, as well as the other U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies

Uh... why not ask for copies? That way they don't get deleted a second time?

Edit: Oh, bit further:

Quickly asked for all of the disks to be returned, even threatening at one point to send a committee security officer to retrieve them. He contended the volumes are congressional records that were never intended for executive branch, much less public, distribution.

That seems like a flimsy excuse to me?
 

Permanently A

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the ol' accidentally find the file online and delete and then mistakenly pick up the only hard copy and toss it out the window. happens all the time
 
It wouldn't be the first time. Torture tapes were destroyed when they were asked to be turned over when the first revelations of enhanced interrogations were made known unless these are the same tape and files they are referring too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_tapes_destruction

The CIA interrogation tapes destruction occurred on November 9, 2005.[1] The videotapes were made by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during interrogations of Al-Qaeda suspects Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri in 2002 at a CIA black site prison in Thailand.[2] 90 tapes were made of Zubaydah and 2 of al-Nashiri. Twelve tapes depict interrogations using "enhanced interrogation", a euphemism for torture.[3] The tapes and their destruction became public knowledge in December 2007.[4] A criminal investigation by a Department of Justice special prosecutor, John Durham, decided in 2010 to not file any criminal charges related to destroying the videotapes.
 
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So the CIA thinks Americans are complete idiots or want Americans to think they are incompetent? I mean these is no win-win for them from this.
 

Chichikov

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Fucking idiots.
The CIA should've been burned to the ground decades ago.
So the CIA thinks Americans are complete idiots or want Americans to think they are incompetent? I mean these is no win-win for them from this.
They are incompetent to almost comical levels.
 

Chichikov

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*insert fire pun here*
Legacy of Ashes is a fantastic book and anyone who is ever remotely interested in the subject should read it.
but then who's going to gather international intelligence
Ideally people who are able to do it effectively.
The CIA could never do it, and it not only failed to provide American decision makers with proper intelligence it routinely undermined American interests around the world and got the country into stupid wars for no reason.
 
Hahaha, they should use their enhanced” interrogation methods to find out who gave the order. Anyways their incompetency will go unpunished like it usually goes.
 
"Whoops I just accidentally deleted this file!"

Get it out of the garbage bin.

"Whoops I went in there and accidentally deleted it!"

Fine I'll just get the C-

"Whoops it snapped in half!"
 

Somnid

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I would at least expect everyone involved and their supervisors within the department to be fired for gross incompetence.
 

Chichikov

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That was the scariest non-horror book I've ever read
Shit's scary, yo. How are they still allowed to do this shit?
They are really good in the PR department, this is something they actively foster by the way.
Also, making such public changes expose you to huge political risk, especially since you know that a ton of "security expert" will run an open smear campaign against you.
We have tried to wipe that putrid slate clean at least 3 times already, but I think it's time to admit that the whole framework is fucking inherently unfixiable.
Who would've thought that a bunch of English majors from Yale are not the most qualified people in the world to design an intelligence collection agency and a covert operation body?
they'll do whatever it takes to save themselves. they even killed JFK.
You should read the book, this is not some conspiracy crap like JFK, there isn't a single unattributed quote in that book and it's mostly based on official CIA documents.
It's fucking scary too.
 
They are really good in the PR department, this is something they actively foster by the way.
Also, making such public changes expose you to huge political risk, especially since you know that a ton of "security expert" will run an open smear campaign against you.
We have tried to wipe that putrid slate clean at least 3 times already, but I think it's time to admit that the whole framework is fucking inherently unfixiable.
Who would've thought that a bunch of English majors from Yale are not the most qualified people in the world to design an intelligence collection agency and a covert operation body?

You should read the book, this is not some conspiracy crap like JFK, there isn't a single unattributed quote in that book and it's mostly based on official CIA documents.
It's fucking scary too.
Do you at least agree that the US needs (and desires) an agency conducting international covert operations? Or are you against the very premise?
 
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Chichikov

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Do you at least agree that the US needs (and desires) an agency conducting international covert operations? Or are you against the very premise?
Of course it needs one, I just think that we have enough evidence that the CIA is fucking terrible at that job.
Personally I think intelligence gathering responsibilities should probably be split between the military and the State Department, the INR has a much much better track record than the CIA and it's the State Department who is usually end up cleaning up the CIA's mess.
Actual clandestine operations should be done by the military, they are way better trained and way more qualified than most of the clown the CIA fields. Also, unlike the CIA, the US military is also pretty damn great at following orders.

p.s.
While I don't deny that a country need such capabilities, I think their importance are really overstated. Consider the USSR, the KGB straight up clowned the CIA throughout the cold war. It didn't do a whole lot of good of Soviet Union.
 
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