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[Macam]

Didn't see this posted, so here goes:

"CNN has ended its relationship with the conservative commentator Tucker Carlson and will shortly cancel its long-running daily political discussion program, "Crossfire," the new president of CNN, Jonathan Klein, said last night."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/business/media/06crossfire.html

 

[Azih]

I won't jump all over you just because the news is so awesome, but it's been posted before.

 

[xsarien]

Crossfire went downhill drastically when they decided to put in an audience. I remember when it wasn't nearly as shrill.

And Carlson is a douche, I'm glad they fired him.

 

[Macam]

I won't jump all over you just because the news is so awesome, but it's been posted before.

Ha! Well, to my credit, I did do a search and scanned the first page or two, but I should've known. These forums are a tad too speedy at times. I'll stick to replying.

 

[dskillzhtown]

Crossfire went downhill drastically when they decided to put in an audience. I remember when it wasn't nearly as shrill.

totally true. When it used to have Novak and Robertson in what seemed like a CNN closet, it was awesome.

 

[The Black Gelding]

Crossfire went downhill drastically when they decided to put in an audience. I remember when it wasn't nearly as shrill.

And Carlson is a douche, I'm glad they fired him.

No he's not.

You're a douche. They should fire YOU!.

Tucker Carlson is people... you hear me?

TUCKER CARLSON IS PEOPLE!

 

[element]

the quote from the news manager at CNN was classic.
"I guess I come down more firmly in the Jon Stewart camp..."

 

[Doth Togo]

Carlson should be used as toilet paper by those who cannot afford such.

 

[Shogmaster]

"Dude, you're over 30 and you wear a bowtie." - JS

Or something like that. Don't mess with John Stewart or yer going down bitches!

 

[kumanoki]

Tucker Carlson looks like every goody-goody frat boy to ever walk the earth all growed up. All he needs is his tattered Titleist ballcap, Phish blasting out of a Jeep Wrangler, khakis, and a tattoo of his fraternity letters on his ankle.

 

[Socreges]

"That's a shame."

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Don't know about you guys, but...


I just felt a spring in my step!

 

[impirius]

So CNN changes the format of Crossfire to create more head-butting then promptly cancels and publicly pans the show at the first hint of public backlash. AWESOME GUYS


I don't even like Crossfire, but as Neil Patrick Harris would say, that's a dick move on CNN's part.

 

[xsarien]

So CNN changes the format of Crossfire to create more head-butting then promptly cancels and publicly pans the show at the first hint of public backlash. AWESOME GUYS

First hint? The "new" format was on for years before it came to a head with Stewart's appearance. CNN recently replaced their old President with someone who obviously has more sense.

 

[impirius]

First hint? The "new" format was on for years before it came to a head with Stewart's appearance. CNN recently replaced their old President with someone who obviously has more sense.

AFAIK, nobody said anything about Crossfire before the Jon Stewart thing, so that'd be the first hint of public backlash, wouldn't it?

 

[BigJonsson]

WELCOME TO YESTERDAY

 

[Outlaw Pro Mod]

Very open-minded crowd here.

 

[Socreges]

Very open-minded crowd here.

GET THE FUCK OUT, CONSERVATIVE WRETCH

But if you could first inform the board as to how anyone here is being close-minded.

 

[The Black Gelding]

Personally, I think Stewart is getting quite a bit of a head on his shoulders, and becoming more and more like the people he hates. Not unlike Mat Stone and Trey Parker. I really didn't like the "pwnage" the administered to the guys at Crossfire, effectively ending the show. In fact, it's quite sad. Tucker stood up for himself and called Stewart on his pussy footing around the tougher questions. Stewart just hid under the guise of "just being a comedian." I call BS right there. John Stewart should recognize that a sizable amount of the "Youth Vote" and the greater population of the US watches his show and takes it for their sole news source. Yeah, he can tell jokes about the news, and make fun of it all he wants, BUT he should also be aware that he is still reporting it. He has to assume SOME level of journalistic responsibility.

I like his show, he has great writers, and a great supporting cast, but there is a reason why Mr. Stewart is limited to telling prewrit jokes, half of which are supplemeted with stupid pauses and "heeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww" or "hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm" noises. He sucks, plain and simple, he himself is not funny. Now Bill Maher, that's a funny political comedian that doesn't hide behind his "official" profession and actually asks tough questions to his guests. Stewart is just damn lucky. I don't like him.

 

[Socreges]

Personally, I think Stewart is getting quite a bit of a head on his shoulders, and becoming more and more like the people he hates. Not unlike Mat Stone and Trey Parker. I really didn't like the "pwnage" the administered to the guys at Crossfire, effectively ending the show. In fact, it's quite sad. Tucker stood up for himself and called Stewart on his pussy footing around the tougher questions. Stewart just hid under the guise of "just being a comedian." I call BS right there. John Stewart should recognize that a sizable amount of the "Youth Vote" and the greater population of the US watches his show and takes it for their sole news source. Yeah, he can tell jokes about the news, and make fun of it all he wants, BUT he should also be aware that he is still reporting it. He has to assume SOME level of journalistic responsibility.

Nope. Crossfire is not the same as The Daily Show.

I like his show, he has great writers, and a great supporting cast, but there is a reason why Mr. Stewart is limited to telling prewrit jokes, half of which are supplemeted with stupid pauses and "heeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww" or "hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm" noises. He sucks, plain and simple, he himself is not funny. Now Bill Maher, that's a funny political comedian that doesn't hide behind his "official" profession and actually asks tough questions to his guests. Stewart is just damn lucky. I don't like him.

1) I've seen Stewart on Larry King a few times. He was hilarious.
2) Delivery and improvising (which happens often) requires a great sense of humour
3) He's funny with guests
Most importantly,
4) Jon Stewart writes a great deal of The Daily Show's material
5) Don't have opinions. Odds are they'll just be wrong and misinformed

 

[Master Z]

John Stewart should recognize that a sizable amount of the "Youth Vote" and the greater population of the US watches his show and takes it for their sole news source.

Anybody who thinks the daily show is reporting the news is a moron. All they do is satire of real news stories, they aren't seriously reporting anything.

 

[Hitman]

Jon Stewart is hilarious! Does anyone have a clip of Jon Stewart on Crossfire?

 

[Incognito]

:lol @ blackstallion's little rant. anyway, whenever a guest is being talked down by the little shrimp in bowtie, they should respond with, "well, at least i was able to graduate college!"

tucker is a fucking fraud -- a product of his zealot father.

 

[The Black Gelding]

Nope. Crossfire is not the same as The Daily Show.


1) I've seen Stewart on Larry King a few times. He was hilarious.
2) Delivery and improvising (which happens often) requires a great sense of humour
3) He's funny with guests
Most importantly,
4) Jon Stewart writes a great deal of The Daily Show's material
5) Don't have opinions. Odds are they'll just be wrong and misinformed

Crossfire wasn't a "news" program, it was a debate show, and it was also a bit tongue in cheek. Nobody could deny the comedic qualities of the show. What the hell do you think when you get hard-line personalities/viewpoints of the left and the right together? Hurting America? Give me a fucking break. Now if he said that mess to O'Riley, the people that voted for Bush, or to Fox News, in the same caustic, bold manner in which he told off the Crossfire people I would give him props. If you look at the video, with your blue-tinted shades off mind you, you will see that Stewart had very very little base to what he was saying, he barely backed himself up. Then he did what he was supposed to do and told a few jokes, namely the one about Tucker's bowtie. (Yes, I will give him that one, it was funny)

To adress your post further:

1) No, he isn't
2) Sure it does... nobody is arguing about that.
3) No he isn't. His worst guests are when he gets big time ones. Bleh, boooorrrrring. Stephen Colbert should take his place. The man is more suited for the job. He would be way better at bouncing jokes back and forth between guests.
4) Meh, I'll give you that one.
5) Get off my chocolate, salty balls.

Anybody who thinks the daily show is reporting the news is a moron. All they do is satire of real news stories, they aren't seriously reporting anything.

Same could be said for anyone who takes everything O'Riley says seriously. But that doesn't change the fact that people DO. Furthermore, yes, there is some truth to the "news" and issues that the Daily Show adresses.

:lol @ blackstallion's little rant. anyway, whenever a guest is being talked down by the little shrimp in bowtie, they should respond with, "well, at least i was able to graduate college!"

Who the hell are you calling a "little shrimp," you little woodtroll.

Don't you have some liberal tripe to eat up and regurgitate in the form of another stupid leftist thread? Ya damn "MeToo." Shoo boy, shoo.

Tucker Carlson is one of my favorite pundits. He's not a right wing nutjob, he's civil, and on top of that, he's pretty funny, hardly a fraud. I just wish they brought back "The Spin Zone" with Bill Press. Now THAT was a great news comedy show.

 

[xsarien]

Crossfire wasn't a "news" program, it was a debate show

Crossfire was not debate, it was Liberal Talking Head trying to shout down Conservative Talking Head. Then, the oh-so-funny fight bell would ring and then it'd be Conservative Talking Head trying to shout down Liberal Talking Head.

Debate requires careful, deliberate responses with SUBSTANCE. Crossfire in its present form didn't have that, they were more concerned with sound bites and getting the last word.

 

[The Black Gelding]

Great "Michael Moore" job with my post, dude.

 

[Socreges]

Crossfire wasn't a "news" program, it was a debate show, and it was also a bit tongue in cheek. Nobody could deny the comedic qualities of the show. What the hell do you think when you get hard-line personalities/viewpoints of the left and the right together? Hurting America? Give me a fucking break. Now if he said that mess to O'Riley, the people that voted for Bush, or to Fox News, in the same caustic, bold manner in which he told off the Crossfire people I would give him props.

If you look at the video, with your blue-tinted shades off mind you, you will see that Stewart had very very little base to what he was saying, he barely backed himself up.

You JUST conceded that the show is exactly what he said it was, defending that it's incidental, and now you're complaining that he didn't provide evidence, whatever that might have been??

Meh, I'll give you that one.

You'll "give me that one"?? :lol You were wrong. Your whole thing about him not being funny was based on the fact that he's just a voice for other people, who are the funny ones. Only HE is the main writer.

 

[AlphaSnake]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/3pheMeraLmiX/photoshops/final.jpg

Bahahahahahahaha, it works on TWO levels! :lol :lol

(I'm laughing at Stallion, btw. That photoshop is priceless...)

 

[The Black Gelding]

You JUST conceded that the show is exactly what he said it was, defending that it's incidental, and now you're complaining that he didn't provide evidence, whatever that might have been??


You'll "give me that one"?? :lol You were wrong. Your whole thing about him not being funny was based on the fact that he's just a voice for other people, who are the funny ones. Only HE is the main writer.

Yes, it had comedic qualities, denying those is just like denying the serious/legit qualities of the Daily Show. They also engaged in debate, formulaeic, careful, artistic, whatever. A "real" debate show would be boring as hell. Nobody would watch, it would sit there, and languish like C-SPAN, the same network that Stewart's book, which I own and enjoy btw, lampoons. The fact is, that was a DEBATE show. It may not have been as "artistic" or whatever other abstract qualities you want to tack on to "real" debating but the pundits were debating none the less. Two jackasses in the street yelling at each other and arguing who has the best spinner caps on their teeth are debating, just as two pannels of Ivy League debaters are debating. He also said it was HURTING AMERICA. That was his main point, and the one statement that was the most offensive. THAT'S incorrect. In fact, it's plain' ol' bullshit. Stewart is a fraud himself. If he's sick and tired of the cohortisim that plagues American politics, then he should quit it himself. Next time he has McCain on his show, ask him why he supported Bush so vehemently, despite his disposition with the current administration. He can still crack jokes, but he should be abit more serious in questioning his more promenent guests, as he does with his lesser ones. The authors, the small time reporters, etc.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/3pheMeraLmiX/photoshops/final.jpg

Bahahahahahahaha, it works on TWO levels! :lol :lol

(I'm laughing at Stallion, btw. That photoshop is priceless...)

AHAHAHAHA! You're laughing AT me! You're awesome, dude, so so cool! How about those Jr. Members, they sux, LOL AM I RITE!?

 

[Hitokage]

The Black Stallion: You're missing the fucking point. Jon Stewart shouldn't have to be the one asking the serious questions. Rather, he shouldn't have to be editorial cartoonist AND investigative journalist because the press isn't doing their job. It's his job to be a comedian. It's their job to be the journalists.

..and if you think the mainstream press corps haven't been hurting America, then you're fucking sheltered or fucking stupid.

 

[Ristamar]

Same could be said for anyone who takes everything O'Riley says seriously. But that doesn't change the fact that people DO.

Very poor analogy. O'Reilly takes himself seriously, at least while he's in character, and in turn, he wants the audience to take him seriously. The same goes for Limbaugh, Hannity, and the other conservative talking heads.

Conversely, The Daily Show is rather blatant and consistent in pointing out that it itself is a comedy show.

 

[The Black Gelding]

The Black Stallion: You're missing the fucking point. Jon Stewart shouldn't have to be the one asking the serious questions. Rather, he shouldn't have to be editorial cartoonist AND investigative journalist because the press isn't doing their job. It's his job to be a comedian. It's their job to be the journalists.

Just like Charels Barkley (while he was playing) wasn't a role model. Yeah right. Like it or not, he WAS a rolemodel solely based on his profession. Now liken this with your assesment of Stewart. You have to be a fool to deny that Stewart also has the goal to inform as well as entertain. If it wasn't why the hell didn't he just tell jokes the whole time on Crossfire?

There is SOME degree of seriousness and legitamacy in the Daily Show's approach to the news/message as there is SOME degree of humour with Crossfire. Serious questions? Um, the "fake" newsman asks insightful, hard hitting questions all the time, just not to his big time guests. (You don't wanna scare the big fish!) Why couldn't he get a serious/straitforeward answer with Kerry? And I'm not talking about the damn speedboat thing or whatever it was. Why can't he call out McCain on his bullshit?

Crossfire adressed serious questions all the time. They even called each other out on what they thought was the oppositions bullshit. They did it all the time, with a splash of humour I might add. In fact, that was the premise of the show! Hell, The Daily Show even recently showed a clip from Crossfire when they were doing just that!

Very poor analogy. O'Reilly takes himself seriously, at least while he's in character, and in turn, he wants the audience to take him seriously. The same goes for Limbaugh, Hannity, and the other conservative talking heads.

Conversely, The Daily Show is rather blatant and consistent in pointing out that it itself is a comedy show.

Okay, Jon Stewart, from this point foreward, should never be taken seriously on his show at all. Any time he asks a question, he should just interrupt his guest with another one of his "noises." Any time he makes an observation concerning the ineptitude of the current administration, he should be ignored. Give me a break.

Meh, I godda go, the Daily Show is on.

 

[Phoenix]

Crossfire's cancelling was foretold long before Jon Stewart was on - in fact Stewart, Triumph and many of their other guests were nothing more than attempts at ratings grabs than anything else.

 

[Ristamar]

Okay, Jon Stewart, from this point foreward, should never be taken seriously on his show at all. Any time he asks a question, he should just interrupt his guest with another one of his "noises." Any time he makes an observation concerning the ineptitude of the current administration, he should be ignored. Give me a break.

:lol :lol :lol I could actually see O'Reilly saying somethng like that.

Way to not address the point.

 

[The Black Gelding]

Well, if the writing was on the wall prior to Stewart's appearance, then I guess I was wrong in my initial assessment. If it was going to be canceled anyway then Stewart's appearance certainly didn't help. :lol

 

[Incognito]

"not a right-wing nutjob," the sheltered troll declares!

:lol :lol

tucker "i never graduated college but that won't stop me from being a smug asshole" carlson couldn't appear on crossfire, or any other show on CNN during the run up to war, without a bucket to collect the massive amount of drool that gushed from his arrogant piehole. now, though, the drool is the direct result of having his lips firmly locked on the conservative agenda's collective cock.

just go to bed already, son.

 

[DrForester]

Wow, this thread is just like an episode of crossfire! Except, it's still going.

 

[mattiewheels]

BS, your thoughts are painful to read.

The onion isn't expected to have any kind of journalistic integrity, why should John Stewart? Granted, he deals with real headlines, as opposed to the onion's abstract ones, but if you think he has some kind of responsiblity for the news he makes fun of, you're ridiculous.

 

[Pimpwerx]

The Daily Show completely fabricates parts of stories and sometimes, entire stories. It's comedy, and it only satires the news, there's no detail or follow through. And a lot of the time it's just quirky stuff too, off the radar stuff. Meh, it's like rating as a news source due to his Headlines segment.

That said, I like Carlson, but it could be that he was just surrounded by the most worthless support cast. But he was the best thing on the show for the last year or so. Carville and Begala really don't do much to help the left. Carville's at least good for a laugh. Novak is just evil, so I can't stand to listen to the guy. Carlson seems reasonable most of the time, even when I disagree with him, which is actually most of the time. Being a socialist, most of his views conflict with mine, but he works for me.

Crossfire wasn't bad early on, but Buchanan was on there way too much, and that guy's an idiot. That liberal guy with the grey hair and glasses was pretty cool as a host though. My favorite Crossfire host actually. Oh well, CNN's gotta change up their formula. Maybe get a bit more to the news and a little less of the bullshit pundits. Try and find a midway between Headline News and the crap they have now. PEACE.

 

[Incognito]

BUT HE'S UNWILLINGLY BECOME A ROLE MODEL TO TODAY'S YOUTH WHO CRAVE REAL NEWS WITH NON-PARTISAN SLANT!!!


THUS, IT'S HIS DUTY, SET FORTH BY BLACK STALLION, TO ASSUME HIS ROLE AS #1 UNBIASED REPORTER OF NEWS IN A SERIOUS MANNER!

 

[Hitokage]

If it wasn't why the hell didn't he just tell jokes the whole time on Crossfire?

As I already said, because he's upset that he has to pick up their slack.

 

[Ristamar]

I will confess to enjoying Carlson's appearance on Maher's HBO show, Real Time, last year.

 

[Incognito]

I will confess to enjoying Carlson's appearance on Maher's HBO show, Real Time, last year.

Heh, same here. If it weren't for the stupid bowtie, I wouldn't have realized that it was actually Tucker.

:lol

Seemed like a completely different person.

 

[fallout]

You know, up here in Canada, we have Royal Canadian Air Farce and This Hour Has 22 Minutes ... yet nobody takes them seriously. 22 Minutes uses a similar format to The Daily Show and introduces real news, then throws some bullshit funny slant on it.

I don't really see why anyone would think that The Daily Show is required to somehow uphold journalistic integrity or whatever, simply based on it's audience. That's like saying restaurants should be required to inform their customers that they serve food. If you don't know that, you're an idiot.

Actually, now that I think about it ... they did try putting the two shows on CBC Newsworld, but the CRTC didn't like that very much IIRC.

 

[videogamer]

22 minutes was pretty funny. Is it possible to view it online or on American television?

 

[The Black Gelding]

Heh, same here. If it weren't for the stupid bowtie, I wouldn't have realized that it was actually Tucker.

:lol

Seemed like a completely different person.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON!? Carlson is amongst the most civil and funny in the conservative pundit community. In fact, he's one of the few that makes home to the aformentioned qualities. You're just so jaded by his "pwnage" by Stewart that you can't see that. Bill Maher is the buisness aswell.

Also, I will say this one last time. You can not ignore the underlying messages and goals of the Daily Show. There is SOME degree of seriousness, just like how there is some degree of humour to Crossfire.

It doesn't change the fact that he came off as a rude, pigheaded, whiney prick that just resorted to insults as an attempt to backup his otherwise, misdirected, otherwise valid dissapointment with the American media on the imfamous episode.

That being said, I'm done with this thread.

Peace.

 

[Shogmaster]

One of these days, someone's gotta do a thesis on some of the black posters here ending the post with "peace". Never fails to amuse me. :lol

 

[mattiewheels]

The Black Stallion

ATTENTION WHORE
..with no sense of humor
..and poor taste

 

[Mike Works]

Tucker stood up for himself and called Stewart on his pussy footing around the tougher questions. Stewart just hid under the guise of "just being a comedian." I call BS right there. John Stewart should recognize that a sizable amount of the "Youth Vote" and the greater population of the US watches his show and takes it for their sole news source. Yeah, he can tell jokes about the news, and make fun of it all he wants, BUT he should also be aware that he is still reporting it.

I know this has been said before by many different people in many different cities in many different countries, but you're an idiot.

 

[Willco]

I know this has been said before by many different people in many different cities in many different countries, but you're an idiot.

THIS TIME IN ITALIAN!

... You ara anno idiota!