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[Shinobi]

:lol

Just like Charels Barkley (while he was playing) wasn't a role model. Yeah right. Like it or not, he WAS a rolemodel solely based on his profession. Now liken this with your assesment of Stewart. You have to be a fool to deny that Stewart also has the goal to inform as well as entertain. If it wasn't why the hell didn't he just tell jokes the whole time on Crossfire?

That's a crock of shit. Just because you decide to make someone a role model, or decide that someone should be doing two professions instead of one, doesn't make it the reality. The idea of athletes being made role models comes from simple, weak-minded parents who are too lazy to raise their kids, and a hypocritical, whitewashed media who are quick to raise people up, and quicker to tear 'em down.

As for Stewart, he's a professional comedian...that's his job. Plenty of comedians make commentaries on real life, but that doesn't suddenly make them ascribed professionals on the various subjects.

Having said that, I'm not sure Crossfire did anything to hurt America...but it sure as hell didn't help.

Wow, this thread is just like an episode of crossfire! Except, it's still going.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Triumph]

Jesus fucking Toadstool.

The Black Stallion is trying to defend a man that would automatically assume that he was there to park his car. Get real.

 

[Shinobi]

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Trakball]

The Black Stallion is trying to defend a man that would automatically assume that he was there to park his car. Get real.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Did Jon say anything about this tonight? Due to a power outage screwing with a crapload of our stuff I couldn't catch it tonight.

 

[Ned Flanders]

Well, I'm not the hugest Tucker Carlson/Crossfire fan, and I'm not nearly as dismissive of Jon Stewart's talents as him, but I agree with most of what TBS has posted here. Stewart should use the privelege of his show and not shy away from asking substantive questions along with the humor, and Crossfire to be fair was deliberately hammed-up beyond strictly arguing issues.

 

[AssMan]

CNN getting rid of conservatives!? NEVER!


:::snickers:::

 

[Azih]

First off as I said in the other thread I've seen Carlson in action exactly twice (Jon Stewart interview, Carolyn Parrish interview) and both times the man came off as a completely arrogant jerk.

Secondly, the whole *point* of Stewart's appearance on Crossfire was that the freaking CABLE NEWS NETWORK... CNN had lousy 'humor' shows like Crossfire on when they should have NEWS. What the *hell* is that? CNN shouldn't be doing anything but news. Just as the freaking COMEDY NETWORK shouldn't be doing any news. Do you see?

 

[xsarien]

CNN getting rid of conservatives!? NEVER!


:::snickers:::

Yeah, right. They kept Novak on despite his roll on the CIA outing last year. Carlson's a talking head, and it seems that CNN wants to get away from those.

 

[videogamer]

Bob Schneider is another CNN "analyst" who is conservative.

Conservative news network is a hive full of them

 

[Socreges]

First off as I said in the other thread I've seen Carlson in action exactly twice (Jon Stewart interview, Carolyn Parrish interview) and both times the man came off as a completely arrogant jerk.

Secondly, the whole *point* of Stewart's appearance on Crossfire was that the freaking CABLE NEWS NETWORK... CNN had lousy 'humor' shows like Crossfire on when they should have NEWS. What the *hell* is that? CNN shouldn't be doing anything but news. Just as the freaking COMEDY NETWORK shouldn't be doing any news. Do you see?

"We come on after a show where PUPPETS make CRANK PHONE CALLS!" :lol

 

[Willco]

I cannot believe some people think that COMEDY CENTRAL has a responsibility to engage in serious journalism.

For those of you too dumb to understand that, I will repeat it for you:

C-O-M-E-D-Y C-E-N-T-R-A-L.

... Seriously, some of you people are downright scary.

 

[GLoK]

Back to the point at hand....

....does anyone have a clip of Jon Stewart on Crossfire?

 

[Hitman]

Back to the point at hand....

....does anyone have a clip of Jon Stewart on Crossfire?

SOMEONE HELP THIS MAN! (and me)

 

[pestul]

One of these days the black hobbits will set BS straight.. someday...

 

[GG-Duo]

Back to the point at hand....

....does anyone have a clip of Jon Stewart on Crossfire?

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2652831

 

[lilraylewis]

I cannot believe some people think that COMEDY CENTRAL has a responsibility to engage in serious journalism.

For those of you too dumb to understand that, I will repeat it for you:

C-O-M-E-D-Y C-E-N-T-R-A-L.

... Seriously, some of you people are downright scary.

Comedy Central is not responsible for upholding journalistic integrity, and I don't think the "scary" people you are reffering to meant that, although they may have implied it.

They feel, as I do, that Jon Stuart is somewhat of a hypocrite. He went on Crossfire and blasted the two hosts for not only failing to do their jobs, but failing to uphold their duty to their country. He's got a nationally televised show; he's got access to many important political figures. Why doesn't he expose their partisan lies? Is he not "hurting America" by handling the politicians who come on his show with kid gloves? Why does he let them get away with their insidous, political doublespeak.? It might not be his job to call the politicians out, but is it not his duty to his country? Should his obligations as a citizen not overide his obligations as a comedian?

He's on Comedy Central. I understand that. He can still be entertaining, but why not occasionally slip in a hard question or two?

 

[Trakball]

I wish the ignore feature could somehow eliminate people quoting those people on your ignore list.

 

[Azih]

He's got a nationally televised show; he's got access to many important political figures. Why doesn't he expose their partisan lies? Is he not "hurting America" by handling the politicians who come on his show with kid gloves? Why does he let them get away with their insidous, political doublespeak.? It might not be his job to call the politicians out, but is it not his duty to his country? Should his obligations as a citizen not overide his obligations as a comedian?

Firstly the dude has done more to skewer absurdity and doublespeak in politics then practically anyone else (due to his wide audience) just not in his interviews (instead in the rest of the 60% of his show). His guests don't come on his Comedy Central fake news program expecting a hard hitting debate skewering. They come on his show becuase it is a comedy talk show where they can comfortably shill their latest book/film or political agenda to Stewart's young/educated demographic.

Secondly accusing Stewart of not taking advantage of his access to important political figures is absurd as you might as well accuse Leno or Letterman for not bringing out the big guns when Guvernator Arnie shows up on their shows. *This* is the genre Stewart is in, not freaking NEWS/DEBATE. When Stewart says he's a part of Comedy Central's news department it is the HEIGHT of Ironic humour.

Lastly Stewart *is* fulfilling his obligations as a citizen by using all the skills available to him (especially in his book), surprise suprise, all of his skills are those of a *comic* . He's doing America a giganto favour by highting the bizzare entity that is American TV news. It's too bad the news shows haven't responded to Stewart's criticisms despite the fact that they hit home so often and resonate so widely (note the success of his book and the applause he got when he was on Crossfire)

 

[lilraylewis]

Firstly the dude has done more to skewer absurdity and doublespeak in politics then practically anyone else (due to his wide audience) just not in his interviews (instead in the rest of the 60% of his show). His guests don't come on his Comedy Central fake news program expecting a hard hitting debate skewering. They come on his show becuase it is a comedy talk show where they can comfortably shill their latest book/film or political agenda to Stewart's young/educated demographic.

But is he not shortchanging America by allowing the politicians to to so? If so, what right does he have to criticize Crossfire?

Secondly accusing Stewart of not taking advantage of his access to important political figures is absurd as you might as well accuse Leno or Letterman for not bringing out the big guns when Guvernator Arnie shows up on their shows. *This* is the genre Stewart is in, not freaking NEWS/DEBATE. When Stewart says he's a part of Comedy Central's news department it is the HEIGHT of Ironic humour.

Leno and Letterman don't go on other shows and lecture the hosts about their duties as citizens and journalists.

Lastly Stewart *is* fulfilling his obligations as a citizen by using all the skills available to him (especially in his book), surprise suprise, all of his skills are those of a *comic* . He's doing America a giganto favour by highting the bizzare entity that is American TV news. It's too bad the news shows haven't responded to Stewart's criticisms despite the fact that they hit home so often and resonate so widely (note the success of his book and the applause he got when he was on Crossfire)

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Look. Ultimately, your right. The Daily Show and Comedy Central are not the places to confront our leaders. Stewart is right in criticizing the news media; they have really failed to present truthful, nonpartisan news to the American people. But I just don't like Stewart's smug attitude: he goes and lectures the media, then throws his hands in the air and says, my job is done, I'm just a comedian. If its so integral to the country's health that its citizens be presented with nonpartisan news, why doesn't Stuart get off of Comedy Central and do a real news show? He's got the clout, he's got a loyal following. I don't think the fact that he's a comedian excludes him from doing real news.

 

[Mandark]

The satirist has no obligation to society to take the place of those he satirizes. Otherwise Jerry Seinfeld would run an airplane food consulting firm and dozens of comics on BET would become Asian shopkeepers.

Leno and Letterman don't go on other shows and lecture the hosts about their duties as citizens and journalists.

Leno did lecture James Carville when he was on the Tonight Show, bringing up Stewart's appearance.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

black stallion vs socreges


its like hogan vs warrior





THE WORLD IS WATCHING

 

[Azih]

But is he not shortchanging America by allowing the politicians to to so. If so, what right does he have to criticize Crossfire?

His right as a comic (which is enough), and his right earned for what he does in the non interview bits of his show and in his book

Leno and Letterman don't go on other shows and lecture the hosts about their duties as citizens and journalists.

Right, so what is this... shooting the messenger? Stewart has no right to criticise because he doesn't have a news show of his own to show them how it's done? I reject that kinda reasoning outright.

But I just don't like Stewart's smug attitude: he goes and lectures the media, then throws his hands in the air and says, my job is done, I'm just a comedian. If its so integral to the country's health that its citizens be presented with nonpartisan news, why doesn't Stuart get off of comedy cetral and do a real news show? He's got the clout, he's got a loyal following. I don't think the fact that he's a comedian excludes him from doing real news.

For one thing the only time Stewart actually went and criticised people to their face was on Crossfire, an even then a)I am under the impression that crossfire invited HIM and b) Stewart really really hates Crossfire, Hardball type screamfests masqeurading as debate shows.

Once again, Stewart did write a book and more importantly he's doing a DAILY COMEDY SHOW, that shit takes time. going "well you dared criticise news, why don't you show us how it's done then funnyman" is stupid as it's just a method of sidestepping valid criticism. Especially if you start expecting a man to produce/host/write/whatever TWO TV shows. Plus he's a COMIC. Once you get to a point that you're expecting a COMIC to show your JOURNALISTS how to do news then you know you're in deep shit as far as journalistic standards go. Plus there's plenty of BETTER acts to follow, BBC, CBC news, etc.

 

[lilraylewis]

^ All very good points. However, I never said that Jon doesn't have a right to criticize. I just feel that if it lies within his power to right--or at least aid in righting--the wrongs he spoke out against, then he should do so. He doesn't have to do two shows at once. Why not drop the Daily Show?

Although I say this, I really don't disagree with you. Stewart is naturally quick-witted, and a great satirist. He may be a horrible journalist if he went that route--who knows? Maybe he is doing all that he can to aid in righting the wrongs of our news media by criticizing them. However, I feel that he could do more by actually practicing what he preaches, but I can't really say with any certainty that that would be the best thing for him to do. He may suck at journalism and not be able to solve any of the problems that he speaks out against.

 

[Hitokage]

lilraylewis: The person you want is Bob Somerby, the comedian who runs the Daily Howler website. He's been at it for quite some time too.

 

[Hitman]

Just watched Jon Stewart's Crossfire appearance. He absolutly destroys them both. I also caught a clip of Jon Stewart on C-Span, he has alot of good points.

 

[Shinobi]

The satirist has no obligation to society to take the place of those he satirizes. Otherwise Jerry Seinfeld would run an airplane food consulting firm and dozens of comics on BET would become Asian shopkeepers.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[explodet]

The satirist has no obligation to society to take the place of those he satirizes. Otherwise Jerry Seinfeld would run an airplane food consulting firm and dozens of comics on BET would become Asian shopkeepers.

Man, I just had a disturbing mental image.

 

[pnjtony]

It's no secret where JS stands on the political fence. We know it, the audience knows it and every single guest he has on his show knows it. For him to actually get John Kerry on his show...why would he want to put on his journalist hat and grill him? I know I wouldn't. At it's heart it's still a comedy show. John Stewart can pick and choose what he asks his guests...sometimes he jokes with the repub guests too. They know where he stands.

As far as having journalistic responsibility, that's bullshit right there. He has no responsibility. He's a comedian. Although they do have a Peabody award. They also have Emmys though. He's said publicly when asked why he doesn't show more responsibility that to "get" a lot of the jokes on the show you have to already have a grasp on world events therfor you can't get your news soley from The Daily Show.

 

[DrLazy]

Am I the only one who enjoyed crossfire? I use to watch it all the time after work. I also like Hardball. I KNOW they aren't news programs, but I get my news from newspapers. I turn on cable news to be entertained and see a debate.