balladofwindfishes
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Trump is for full national health using Canada as a base, don't let this charade fool you.
This was 15 years ago. Those are some pretty strong beliefs to suddenly go in the dead opposite direction
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CNN poll : Trump gains 8 points since August. Now at 32% support among Republicans.
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Trump is for full national health using Canada as a base, don't let this charade fool you.
This was 15 years ago. Those are some pretty strong beliefs to suddenly go in the dead opposite direction
Mass Effect
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A basic guaranteed income provided by the government (to those who have citizenship I assume) that would cover essential living expenses like rent, food, and clothing.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I expect to see similar posts over the coming weeks.
The problem is, the sustained polling is a far longer period of time then the 2012 primary.
Compare the polling now to the polling then:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html
Edit: Trump is going on 3 months being in the lead, the 2012 primary had several candidates in the lead for less then 1 month.
People are given money to cover the basic necessities to life with no hook or crook on how to get it. This is also called a Basic Income Guarantee (BIG) which is now being proposed by places in Europe, Canada, and many technological, environmental, economical, and business players in America see it needed, too. It says a lot that Citi - yes, the bank Citi - has said we need assured incomes in America, this century. Even the banking industry sees the red flags coming, and they're almost the worst when it comes to money.
It not only allows people to get the basic needs, but will free people from the problem of the necessity to work to live, which absolutely inhibits human potential and wellbeing. How many people do jobs they don't like in order to live in ways they don't like? That's not living, that is probation. It would allow people to do the things they would value and actually increase human productivity, as is the case of every location this has been tested in.
I'll finish this post with a fun fact: we almost had such a system with Richard Nixon and FDR, so this isn't a bleeding left idea. It has since become a fringe pseudo-Marxian fantasy to the American public, but it will be needed or else our social impositions over reality will continue to create more bedsores that naturally, normally do not exist. I do not suggest what model we make to accomplish this, be it negative income tax ala Milton Friedman or tax patents ala Robert Reich, but the point is this conversation NEEDS to happen. In America, being the so-called first-world-in-name-only as it normally is, is phenomenally absent in this conversation. Once again, the world is leaving us behind dealing with real issues as we're caught over petty nothings like gays being able to marry, and I say petty because anyone with a modicum of humanity can see the natural dignity in people. This shouldn't be a major issue, for it only clouts the real ones. Politics is full of this nonsense problem making.
Bam Bam Baklava
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15 years ago he might not have wanted to build a wall but he sure as hell wants to now. The only foolish thing to do would be to ignore his views today and hope his views from a decade ago are still true.
hydrophilic attack
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thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Some parts of America.
But yeah I agree, it's alarming that this many people support the guy. I don't know a single person outside of the US that doesn't think he's some kind of sick joke candidate.
You talking about Universal Basic Income?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
Milton Friedman proposed such an idea, so it's not a left wing concept and could get bipartisan support.
Sanders isn't really proposing that though. At least not that I know of.
edit: oops you already posted what it is
Yes, same thing. Different name. BIG and UBI are assured incomes, they're pointing to the same thing.
Sanders has proposed it only as a solution if all other poverty programs fail. They absolutely will fail, so if we're talking in a situation where his ideas can become reality if he were president, UBI would be an option.
To Hillary's credit, she did answer a question about it, though she only talked about the possible rift of technology, and somehow reshaped the question into mothers and women. That's a far cry from any Republican, who is still stroking the hypothetical money cock that jobs and growth are mankind's answers to socially evocated illnesses and problems.
Some people are considering it, but it, at best, is lip service to a minority of minorities who are sincere about the problem.
balladofwindfishes
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I don't believe someone makes an abrupt hard right turn in their beliefs right around the same time everyone else was getting a lot of attention and making a lot of money by being a hard right blowhard. Especially on a known attention hog like Trump.
I don't believe he has any GOP political allies, and most of his politician friends are Democrats.
Okay, I see what you're both saying. Thanks for the clarification. You're basically talking about citizens being entitled to basic human rights and decency, and an expansion of public welfare programs. I am all for that.
Sho_Nuff82
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Words are wind. He'd wipe his ass with that pledge on national television if it got him more votes than Jeb.
I don't know. He went in on Carson pretty hard. Attacking his personality, his faith and even his skill as a doctor. I wish he'd go after Cruz but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen since Cruz has basically rolled over belly up for Trump.
Veritigo_X
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I can't wait to see him tear that pledge in half in front of a crowd of 30,000. They'll go nuts over that.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Well, he and Ted Cruz appear to be really good friends given he's the only one he never attacks and they rallied together. How do you feel about Ted Cruz?
I can't believe you're really thinking he's some kind of liberal in disguise trying to fool Republicans into voting for him and then when he's in the White House he's going to suddenly sweep in his big liberal agenda.
FelixOrion
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He hasn't really showcased that ability for rational clarity yet if so.
Carson is a moron.
Veritigo_X
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That was actually his response at the debate when questioned about his lack of knowledge when it came to foreign policy.
Marion Cobretti
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Yeah you're right. That's pretty fuckin berserk.
balladofwindfishes
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He's doing what he needs to do to get the fame and attention he wants. I don't believe he personally holds the beliefs he says he does when rallying. He knows the positions he needs to take to get in the place he wants to get. He wants his name in the history books and he'll do and say whatever needs to, to get there.
That's part of it. Another part is that the GOP's "cut taxes for rich people" schpiel isn't selling to voters anymore, and Trump's very liberal on the redistribution/taxation front.
If he gets the nomination, it will send shockwaves through the electorate on welfare policy, because it means the GOP has officially lost the battle there.
I can't help but admire the shamelessness.
Suikoguy
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Lost the battle on taxes anyway, not sure if the evidence is there for Welfare Policy.
Of course, evidence shows that the super majority of people are fine with welfare, as long as it it goes to people who are not black or poor.
Stuff like Medicare is untouchable because people like the benefits. That's why merely getting Obamacare in the door was huge and why the GOP are being dicks about Medicare expansion-once people are on the rolls, they are not going to let themselves be taken off without a huge fight.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Is there any other word you can use to describe this other than blind faith?
DragonSworne
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I think we can be pretty sure that his favorite book is not the Bible.
balladofwindfishes
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His political history, close political friends, love of attention, known reality TV character and abrupt change in political beliefs as soon as his buddy Hillary lost the nomination?
It's not blind faith, it's taking Trump and looking at his personality and history and seeing that he's probably just making it up as he goes because it's the easiest way to fame.
Any reason why Sanders' numbers with minorities are so low?
Polip Fawn
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This excuse would make sense if he already wasn't like this and initially his advisers though it would kill him and treaded cautiously until it actually helped him, so not sure where this came from.
Hexa
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I agree with this. But it's also pretty obvious from his responses and style in dealing with several issues. The biggest example would be when he said the bible was his favorite book. The way he said that wasn't of someone that actually liked the bible in the slightest, but very clearly saying it entirely just because of its political value for that specific crowd. Like you could see him scanning the crowd and rolling with them. And that's essentially the way he flows with everything he says. No planning. Just saying whatever he thinks will work in that specific instance based on reading the crowd. Like all politicians, or at least good ones, do this to an extent but he takes it to a whole new level. It's amazing and makes it impossible for him to make serious gaffes. I look forward to seeing the end game of this entire affair.
Polip Fawn
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Because Sanders dodged and failed to address race issues when brought up so people think he's either weak, or ignoring the issue as unimportant.
SenorArdilla
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Jeb must be horrified. Trump might actually be the Republican candidate and the GOP has to keep him because they will lose horribly if he decides to run as an independent.
Because Sanders' core ideology appeals to white straight males and virtually no one else. It's why his numbers cap where they do.
If he gets the nomination we should all vote Republican for the lulz.
What about his core ideology appeals to straight white males?
shadowsdarknes
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His policies are supported plenty by minorities.
A) Historically low awareness among them. Clinton was not only 1st Lady (which gave her a lot of exposure) but she and Bill have been very active in interacting and mingling with the minority (especially Black) community recently and for decades.
B) Doesn't appear to put race issues at the forefront of his campaign. Even after the encounter with BLM and the update on his campaign site, when pressed on race issues he still tends to pivot back to economics - its clearly what he's comfortable with. He can also get kind of belligerent and exasperated when pressed (can he handle the pressure of a Republican controlled Congress cockblocking him all day, every day?). I remember a moment when one of his staffers apologized to BLM on his behalf and he later vehemently took that apology back himself. Wasn't a good look.
C) He's the current Senator of Vermont (and has held other positions in the state), one of the Whitest states in the country with numbers that don't look very good for minorities when you look at employment, imprisonment, etc. Makes a lot of people skeptical of how well he can hear and fight for minority issues (and before you counter, yes a lot of people are aware of the Clinton's "tough on crime" stance in the 90's and weren't fans of how that ended up either)
D) A lot of Bernie fans (even on GAF but especially elsewhere) are awful and either subtly or overtly racist. Often times when critiques come from the direction of minorities, "Standers" try to deflect with "Bernie marched with King 50 years ago, what more do you want!" or "Don't you know what's good for you?! If you don't vote for Bernie you're stupid!", etc. Basically calling themselves allies of minorities but when they speak up they get shouted back down by these people. I'm certainly not saying all Standers are like that and you saw something similar in Hiliary's camp back in 2008 but there are enough of them and they are loud. Whenever I see stuff like that (and others I've spoken to feel the same way) I get REALLY turned off from Bernie.
E) Electability is more important for the minorities. White voters can afford to go "all or nothing" because if Bernie loses the outcome won't be as bad for them. That's why you see some Standers say they would rather vote Republican or not vote at all if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. For Black people and other minorities, a Republican victory (at least from the pool of candidates we have) would be a doomsday scenario. They feel they can't afford to lose at any cost so rather than go all "pie in the sky" they are more pragmatically focused and are more interested in who they think can win and bring some progress than someone who might bring more progress but has a harder chance of winning. Rather aim high and win than aim for the stars and get nothing or slide backwards (again assuming Bernie represents all that is good and pure in politics
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I'm honestly surprised it's not higher. I figured he would get most of the evangelical vote, instead it seems to be going to Carson.
I wonder if Huck's morbid obesity is turning people off.
I can see that happening.
Has Trump really used that much more money up until this point than the other GOP candidates?
Byakuya769
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It's time we got the politicians out of office!!!!111!!11! No more educated elitists! Get those lawyers out, too!
No he isn't.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's amusing that the poster accidentally pointed out the real reason.
Lack of knowledge about he candidate. lol
Honestly, his age is the primary reason of concern, to me anyways.
He would be, by far the oldest president.
Hillary Clinton would be 3rd oldest.
We know how things went with Reagan's second term. Which, frankly, i'm surprised did not get more public outcry after the fact.
It's not that they dislike Bernie, they strongly prefer Hillary. Prior to President Obama, her husband was, by far, the most popular president ever among black voters. Some of the support may be supporting Bill by proxy, some may be the feeling that she legitimately has the interests of black voters better in mind.
Bernie has a huge uphill battle to erode into black voter support that leans STRONGLY toward Hillary. He certainly has policies that help black voters from an economic standpoint, and probably has support for policies that help black voters from a social justice standpoint, but he hasn't effectively communicated those yet.
He said the bible was his favorite book and that a military themed prep school gave him more practical military experience than recent Iraq war vets.
Does he strike you as a man of unwavering principle?
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