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Colin was Right: Same Old Nintendo (Jan 19. 2017)

Dekuboy said:
aaaaand opinion discarded.

If the Switch would get RE7, Nier and other games, day one people would still cry about the facts that they are ports.

Also X1 and PS4 nice launch..yeah, knack and Killzone and your annual installment of ...
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Yeah annual installments of games that consistently sell at least double what any Zelda game has sold. Heck even Ghosts sold over 20 million.

The ports are a problem because they are OLD games. RE7 and Nier would be great ports for the Switch.
 
Neonep said:
Please explain this one to me. How is it clear that it will be the PS4/Xbox One remaster? Did Bethesda say so or are you just making assumptions?
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I thought they confirmed it a day after the conference. My bad if not, but that would look pretty bad if it was the ps3/ 360 version.
 
I'm starting to come around to Switch tbh...despite agreeing fully with Colin here. I just can't get over that price lol!

But when it comes down to it, if my wife loves 1,2 Switch or Arms or Zelda is as impactful and magnificent as Ocarina of Time, I'm gonna get it eventually.
 
Dekuboy said:
Also ps4 launched in fall, where most of the games come out, switch in march. If switch would now get games like "cod infinite warfare","bf1" people would still say "why are there only ports"
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You do realize Nintendo is choosing to launch in March, right? They could launch in the Fall if they wanted to. This defense/argument doesn't work.
 
He makes some fair points, but it sounds to me like his expectations were sky-high for the Switch, when there was nothing to indicate those expectations would be met.

How did he think Nintendo was ever going to attract tons of third party games on launch with underpowered hardware AND the performance of the Wii U? What games did he want to see? Apparently games from last year are too old. So... then what? Battlefield 1? Games like that? That's setting yourself up for disappointment right there. His expectations seem so far removed from reality, it's hard to understand how he could be this disappointed.

I guess that's what annoys me about people shouting "DOA!" or "I was ready to pre-order before this presentation, but they fucked up!" and stuff like that. I can totally see that the Switch may not have enough games for you to justify a purchase. But what the heck were you expecting in the first place!?
 
ronin_cse said:
Yeah annual installments of games that consistently sell at least double what any Zelda game has sold. Heck even Ghosts sold over 20 million.

The ports are a problem because they are OLD games. RE7 and Nier would be great ports for the Switch.
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Do you really compare the most popular shooter franchise, in the era where everyone loves shootergame, which is also multiplat with an installbase of regularly 60+Million, with a niche game called zelda, which is console exclusive and don´t have this huge install base?
But if you really wanna do, let me see the goty´s the cod franchise got and compare it to the amount of the zelda franchise.

Of course they would be great ports, the point is "people would still cry and be angry that the switch only get "ports" "
 
NOLA_Gaffer said:
I was actually rather relieved when Nintendo started showing off the motion, IR, and HD Rumble features of the joy cons. For a sec there I thought Nintendo was just throwing away their last 11 years of innovation and going back to standard controls.
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Honestly, so few of their games use those features that they'd probably benefit more in the long run by doing just that and running with a lower price of entry. I get why they're doing it - they have a lower ceiling if they're just banking on their IPs, rather than hoping for a mass-market breakout with a hardware gimmick. But how often are they really going to break through that ceiling?
 
Dekuboy said:
And the only Game I want to play on the ps4 is Bloodborne and Nier:A(if no pc). The only thing I would regret not having a ps4 is because of KH.
But the only thing I want to know about KH is the story, so watching a walkthrough will be enough.
While on the other hand I want to play(not only see the story, or graphics or whatever just play) Zelda, Disgaea 5(yes I know ps4 port bla bla, but complete edition and I don´t have a ps4), Mario, Splatoon2 and probably other games which will be announced.

Also are there really people who think that if someone buys a switch, without owning a wiiu, that he will not buy zelda as the only game?

Also ps4 launched in fall, where most of the games come out, switch in march. If switch would now get games like "cod infinite warfare","bf1" people would still say "why are there only ports"
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Well...yeah, of course you're buying it for Zelda. But if that wasn't there, would you buy a Switch for Halfway Heroes, Just Dance 2017, a Rayman port, a Disgaea port, and Bomberman ( really don't understand people getting excited for this one) And 'maybe' Mario by Holiday 2017? 'Maybe'.
Because we all know how Nintendo delays stuff a little too frequently these days.

If you buy anything else for the Switch besides Zelda it's because you'll be Starving for anything to play on the thing.

Switch launching in the Fall wouldn't have given it a more robust line-up for some reason. That makes zero sense.

And yeah, if Switch were to give me ports of COD or BF1, then I expect Nintendo to try to give me a reason to own those ports over my current console versions. That burden is on Nintendo to make their system and those versions of the game interesting, whether it's a new way to play those games, new levels, whatever. Otherwise, work out contracts and make deals to get new, different IP's on there.
 
Dekuboy said:
aaaaand opinion discarded.

If the Switch would get RE7, Nier and other games, day one people would still cry about the facts that they are ports.

Also X1 and PS4 nice launch..yeah, knack and Killzone and your annual installment of ...
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I dont think anybody would complain about being able to play those games on the go.

But it doesnt matter its not like Switch is going to get those games anyways with the idiots in charge at Nintendo.
 
I watched this and began to feel dismayed about my Switch preorder for the first time since its announcement. Then I watched the Zelda trailer and stopped caring about everything he had to say. The fact of the matter is that Nintendo creates some of the best games out there, but they continually wrap those games in obtrusive packages. It is incredibly disappointing. The difference with the Switch is that the package itself isn't very obtrusive. Its concept is simple to understand, unlike that of the Wii U. I found it odd that he did not mention the Switch's portable/console feature at all. I truly think this is a huge selling point. Nintendo has yet to fail in the handheld market--which is a precedent he avoided entirely. You buy this system if you want to play Nintendo first party games, and the first year lineup is already so, so much better than that of the Wii U or the 3DS.

I agree with a lot of his points (though he does not have to present them with that smug of an attitude). I wish that for once, Nintendo could just nail the console package. Sometimes I wish they would go third party, but I always end up fallin' for the quirky charms found within their OS and their hardware, even if it is ultimately moot.

Also Kinda Funny that this guy has the guts to tell us why the Switch will fail when he also wrote this
http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed
 
Dekuboy said:
aaaaand opinion discarded.

If the Switch would get RE7, Nier and other games, day one people would still cry about the facts that they are ports.
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Thats ridiculous.

No one would ever criticize that.Do you REALLY think that if the switch got those games people would be critical of Nintendo for good 3rd party acquisitions?
 
InterMusketeer said:
He makes some fair points, but it sounds to me like his expectations were sky-high for the Switch, when there was nothing to indicate those expectations would be met.

How did he think Nintendo was ever going to attract tons of third party games on launch with underpowered hardware AND the performance of the Wii U? What games did he want to see? Apparently games from last year are too old. So... then what? Battlefield 1? Games like that? That's setting yourself up for disappointment right there. His expectations seem so far removed from reality, it's hard to understand how he could be this disappointed.

I guess that's what annoys me about people shouting "DOA!" or "I was ready to pre-order before this presentation, but they fucked up!" and stuff like that. I can totally see that the Switch may not have enough games for you to justify a purchase. But what the heck were you expecting in the first place!?
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Nintendo supposedly combined all their development efforts for a single platform. So it's not exactly farfetched to expect something better than yet another WiiU-tier drought machine. And since this is the supposed successor of the 3DS, maybe check out what 3rd parties had on the release list on the day of its final reveal? It was definitely much more, including actual new content also. Switch is also a handheld and yet the best they can get from Japan is some empty promise from Nagoshi - is this a joke?
 
Kintaro said:
You do realize Nintendo is choosing to launch in March, right? They could launch in the Fall if they wanted to. This defense/argument doesn't work.
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Jetman said:
Well...yeah, of course you're buying it for Zelda. But if that wasn't there, would you buy a Switch for Halfway Heroes, Just Dance 2017, a Rayman port, and a Disgaea port, and Bomberman ( really don't understand people getting excited for this one) And 'maybe' Mario by Holiday 2017? 'Maybe'.
Because we all know how Nintendo delays stuff a little too frequently these days.

If you buy anything else for the Switch besides Zelda it's because you'll be Starving for anything to play on the thing.

Switch launching in the Fall wouldn't have given it a more robust line-up for some reason. That makes zero sense.

And yeah, if Switch were to give me ports of COD or BF1, then I expect Nintendo to try to give me a reason to own those ports over my current console versions. That burden is on Nintendo to make their system andthose versions of the game interesting, whether it's a new way to play those games, new levels, whatever. Otherwise, work out contracts and make deals to get new, different IP's on there.
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Well actually I buy it for Zelda and Disgaea.I also got a WiiU but I like handhelds more. And about the delays, yeah it´s not like any other company delays games..right?

But I won´t zelda, Disgaea will probably let me have fun for several months. Then I can also choose to buy arms, Mario Kart or maybe Splatoon. Also yes the launch time is not a small thing. Annual iterations mostly get released on fall, so that they choose to port it for other consoles, if it´s possible is only logical so they can get the max profit. I mean look at wiiu, it got assasins creed, call of duty and all the other games at launch.

My point is not "the switch line up is super duper" (for me it is yes, for others probably not) the thing I am complaining is about double standards. Colin, or who ever this is, is complaining about the switch line up like other people because there isn´t anything new. Sony didn´t put out the best games in history during the launch of the ps4, dunno about xbox. Most of the first party games were medicore, there weren´t any new huge first party ips or exclusives. The launch was mediocore, hell most people in Europe bought it for fifa.
 
This thread is a weird mix of circle of jerk and confirmed bias.

Personally, can't wait for the Switch. There are several games I want and I don't really care what a talking head on YouTube think. The only concern I have is the online since that is an extra cost to me and I do want to play Splatoon online.

The low launch lineup doesn't bother me because it's March. This isn't November or December where a lot of games come out and people are willing to drop cast. This is usually a pretty low month for games.
 
Resogun was the best thing on launch day for either PS4 or Xbox one. At the very least with both PS4 and xbox one both felt like significant jumps up from the previous generations on launch day. Wii U to Switch seems like a lateral step at best.
 
SamNW said:
Was motion really that innovative? I can't think of a great Wii game outside of Wii Sports that I want to play using motion control.

I guess we disagree on how enjoyable it was to use that stuff, and that's fine, but I just really did not like much of anything about the Wii, save for a few great games.
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Metroid Prime 3
Skyward Sword
Zak & Wiki
Resident Evil 4 is best played with the wiimote, no question. I'll fight anyone who disagrees.
No More Heroes
Silent Hill Shattered Memories

Great games with great use of the wiimote.

I'm glad mention gaming is not dead, especially if Nintendo does it (and give alternative options for people who hate it).
 
I agree with most of what Colin had to say. On the flipside it's still to early to be all doom and gloom though.
 
I don't know how people thought the Switch would be any different. This is so close to what the Wii U was in just about every way. Surprise! Nintendo is a terrible hardware manufacturer. Their first party games are fantastic, but that's the only thing they do right. Their business strategy makes no sense for three consoles in a row now.
 
Eh. Mostly the video was similar to just reading a gaf thread, right down to the "fisher price" comments. A mixture of good points, rumors, examples from decades ago as if they're relevant still, and general FUD.

PS4 and Xbone launched when the yearly installments of COD, Assassin's Creed, etc. happen to come out. The games were a given and people were going to buy and play them somewhere regardless. Switch is launching at a different time of year and no one is going to be playing a new COD or AC at Switch launch anywhere so I don't think them being missing is anything dire until the games actually do launch. If they skip the Switch (and let's face it, some or all of them very well might), then we can use their absence as negative fuel. Zelda looks to be one of the best launch titles for any system in a long time. Of course it's impossible not to give it that nod so the concern is always over what else is coming until Mario. Kart. Splatoon 2. Supposedly FE Legends and possibly even Xenoblade 2. The first year actually looks quite good.

As for third party, he just has rumors about FIFA being based off of the PS360 versions. Rumors Skyrim won't have content from the new addition. Eh.

As for the rest, yeah. Online offering looks fucking awful. They have failed to make that look appealing at all and the fact that there is at least one thread daily on the subject that survives shows how terrible the messaging has been regardless of what actually ends up going on.

Dialogue is very stilted as if coming from a teleprompter, especially with the swearing. Reminds me of people complaining about the latest Jimquisition (which was also negative) but Jim sounds so natural in the way he talks and even swears that it really made this stand out.
 
Often disagree with Colin's views on just about everything but when it comes to the Switch he has been bang on. He doesn't even seem biased, he seems to have genuinely been excited for a return to form, but he's not allowing hype to gloss over the fact that Nintendo has basically learned nothing.
 
Colin was indeed right. It took him a while to swallow that pill, and that shit went down like it was crazy bitter.
 
Caipirinha said:
Often disagree with Colin's views on just about everything but when it comes to the Switch he has been bang on. He doesn't even seem biased, he seems to have genuinely been excited for a return to form, but he's not allowing hype to gloss over the fact that Nintendo has basically learned nothing.
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Being excited for, and then subsequently disappointed by, something is most certainly a form of bias. I'm not criticising him for that bias, we all carry biases and he lets us know what his are so it's cool, but he's definitely biased.

It's like saying an Ex isn't biased because they really loved you once.
 
Dekuboy said:
Well actually I buy it for Zelda and Disgaea.I also got a WiiU but I like handhelds more. And about the delays, yeah it´s not like any other company delays games..right?

But I won´t zelda, Disgaea will probably let me have fun for several months. Then I can also choose to buy arms, Mario Kart or maybe Splatoon. Also yes the launch time is not a small thing. Annual iterations mostly get released on fall, so that they choose to port it for other consoles, if it´s possible is only logical so they can get the max profit. I mean look at wiiu, it got assasins creed, call of duty and all the other games at launch.

My point is not "the switch line up is super duper" (for me it is yes, for others probably not) the thing I am complaining is about double standards. Colin, or who ever this is, is complaining about the switch line up like other people because there isn´t anything new. Sony didn´t put out the best games in history during the launch of the ps4, dunno about xbox. Most of the first party games were medicore, there weren´t any new huge first party ips or exclusives. The launch was mediocore, hell most people in Europe bought it for fifa.
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Sony didn't have "TehBest!1" games out at launch line-up but they had a lot of new stuff that no had played. Games that at least looked better than anything else that existed for that generation of console gaming. Nintendo doesn't with the Switch. They have Zelda and portability. And I can get, "basically" from what I've been reading in the BotW comparison thread, the same damn Zelda game on my Wii U give or take some resolution.

Question - do you own a PS4 or X-Bone yet? If not why wouldn't you spend that money towards a system that has a LOT more gaming choices for you at the moment?
 
Dekuboy said:
Do you really compare the most popular shooter franchise, in the era where everyone loves shootergame, which is also multiplat with an installbase of regularly 60+Million, with a niche game called zelda, which is console exclusive and don´t have this huge install base?
But if you really wanna do, let me see the goty´s the cod franchise got and compare it to the amount of the zelda franchise.

Of course they would be great ports, the point is "people would still cry and be angry that the switch only get "ports" "
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Absolutely I am comparing them, it's a problem that one of the best selling games isn't on the Switch. I also wasn't comparing just the last gen, CoD sells more than any other Zelda game, including Twilight Princess which was on the Wii with a huge install base.

Sadly which games scored better doesn't really indicate how successful the system will be. If that determined it then the Wii U would have outsold both consoles in their first couple years.

So yes Nintendo 1st party games are probably better games than many 3rd party games, but you can say the same of the Wii U, the Wii, the GC, etc... and look how far that got them.
 
Spieler Eins said:
Nintendo supposedly combined all their development efforts for a single platform. So it's not exactly farfetched to expect something better than yet another WiiU-tier drought machine.
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I guess I didn't expect that stuff to pay off in a big way just yet. Seems I was right. The 3DS is still getting new games too.

And since this is the supposed successor of the 3DS, maybe check out what 3rd parties had on the release list on the day of its final reveal? It was definitely much more, including actual new content also.
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  • Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo)
  • nintendogs + cats: Golden Retriever & New Friends (Nintendo)
  • nintendogs + cats: French Bulldog & New Friends (Nintendo)
  • nintendogs + cats: Toy Poodle & New Friends (Nintendo)
  • Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (Capcom / Distributed by Nintendo)
  • The Sims 3 (Electronic Arts)
  • PES 2011 3D – Pro Evolution Soccer (Konami Digital Entertainment)
  • LEGO Star Wars III The Clone Wars (LucasArts)
  • RIDGE RACER 3D (Namco Bandai)
  • Super Monkey Ball 3D (SEGA)
  • SAMURAI WARRIORS: Chronicles (TECMO KOEI)
  • Asphalt 3D (Ubisoft)
  • Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Shadow Wars (Ubisoft)
  • Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 3D (Ubisoft)
  • Rayman 3D (Ubisoft)
Yeah, look at all those classic games people are still playing and talking about today. The only one that stands out to me is Street Fighter IV, a port of a console game.
So I guess technically speaking there were more launch games. But honestly, there was nothing there people actually wanted to play.

Switch is also a handheld and yet the best they can get from Japan is some empty promise from Nagoshi - is this a joke?
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How about Atlus' new game and Octopath? I'm not saying they had much, but the best they could get was obviously those two games.
 
Big Nikus said:
Metroid Prime 3
Skyward Sword
Zak & Wiki
Resident Evil 4 is best played with the wiimote, no question. I'll fight anyone who disagrees.
No More Heroes
Silent Hill Shattered Memories

Great games with great use of the wiimote.

I'm glad mention gaming is not dead, especially if Nintendo does it (and give alternative options for people who hate it).
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I played those other than Silent Hill and Zak and Wiki. I will say that I only tolerated motion control. There wasn't a single point, ESPECIALLY with MP3 and Skyward Sword, that I thought "wow am I so glad these use motion control!". They were the least bad implementations of motion control, but it still sucked IMO.
 
InterMusketeer said:
Yeah, look at all those classic games people are still playing and talking about today. The only one that stands out to me is Street Fighter IV, a port of a console game.
So I guess technically speaking there were more launch games. But honestly, there was nothing there people actually wanted to play.
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I wasn't talking about launch only, but that on the day of the reveal they immediately had things like an exclusive Resident Evil to look forward to. On Switch... some concepts that eventually materialize in 2-4 years.
 
Angry video game dude ranting echo chamber talking points about Nintendo Switch. Stop the presses everyone and get in here to watch a guy repeat what people on neogaf have been saying all week!

Truly riveting. So many garbage Switch threads on here lately.
 
To be devil's advocate, they are learning: no more region locking, seems more open to indie devs in america and japan (heard a lot of indies in japan are excited), better marketing, improved online

Now there are a few missteps: not enough launch lineup, concerning decisions in deployment of online: party chat only in an app we know nothing about, pricey accessories.

You can't say Nintendo isn't trying though, they've admitted mistakes with the Wii U. That doesn't mean they won't make more, it means they're learning though and attempting to do better.
 
Why on earth wouldn't he wait at least till after launch to produce this hottake?
If I weren't rooting for Switch already, now at the latest I can't wait to see the Switch be immensly successful, and making him look like an idiot as with his 3DS/Vita predictions back in the day

ronin_cse said:
Absolutely I am comparing them, it's a problem that one of the best selling games isn't on the Switch. I also wasn't comparing just the last gen, CoD sells more than any other Zelda game, including Twilight Princess which was on the Wii with a huge install base.

Sadly which games scored better doesn't really indicate how successful the system will be. If that determined it then the Wii U would have outsold both consoles in their first couple years.

So yes Nintendo 1st party games are probably better games than many 3rd party games, but you can say the same of the Wii U, the Wii, the GC, etc... and look how far that got them.
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Well, in case that you're more interested in strictly economic performance, Nintendo has you covered with the only 3rd party that truly matters, namely mobile. Pokémon GO revenue was significantly larger in 2016 than lifetime Pokémon X/Y revenue, and quite obviously proved instrumental in making Sun/Moon the best selling game since the GameBoy ones.
It has already been confirmed that both FE Heroes and Animal Crossing will be f2p and releasing this year. Nintendo truly is leapfrogging GAF sentiment here, by not going console 3rd party, but embracing that most gaming is and will be on mobile.
 
InterMusketeer said:
Yeah, look at all those classic games people are still playing and talking about today. The only one that stands out to me is Street Fighter IV, a port of a console game.
So I guess technically speaking there were more launch games. But honestly, there was nothing there people actually wanted to play.
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Shadow Wars is the secret best 3DS launch game
 
I'm buying a Switch but absolutely agree with Colin. I really do feel Nintendo are setting themselves up for another WiiU here unless they truly get their shit together over the next few months. 3ds ambassador level of "getting their shit together".

The system itself looks great, and so does Zelda. But almost everything surrounding the system is embarrassingly riddled with absurd decisions. From the online situation to the overall pricing and general feel of gouging hardcore fans. And I don't even think that's everything, I have a very bad feeling about the OS and overall system level of 'readiness'.

These are mostly all things which can be changed or at least moved in the right direction. It's as if they're doing everything they can to make the Switch unappealing which is only going to damage third party support. Nintendo have to try make strides to 'switch' the sentiment of people from negative to positive.
 
Neonep said:
That's a poor ass launch lineup.
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it is, though Zelda really does look phenomenal. there are also some other games coming in March that aren't going to be there at launch like snipperclips which looks surprisingly good. but yeah, it's a pretty weak launch outside of Zelda.
 
Big Nikus said:
Metroid Prime 3
Skyward Sword
Zak & Wiki
Resident Evil 4 is best played with the wiimote, no question. I'll fight anyone who disagrees.
No More Heroes
Silent Hill Shattered Memories

Great games with great use of the wiimote.

I'm glad mention gaming is not dead, especially if Nintendo does it (and give alternative options for people who hate it).
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I would rather play literally all five of these with a good standard controller (though, to be fair, my experience with SH: SM and Zack & Wiki is incredibly limited). I thought Skyward Sword's motion controls sucked. I also didn't like the game in general and never finished it, which is partially the fault of the motion controls, but not entirely.

Also, I was not aware that there were staunch defenders of RE4's Wii port. Yikes. RE4 is one of my favorite games of all time, and I'm like 80% sure that I'd rather never play it again than be forced to play it again using a Wiimote.

That said, I'm glad you liked them. Obviously, a lot of people did.
 
Franz Brötchen;228708392 said:
Why on earth wouldn't he wait at least till after launch to produce this hottake?
If I weren't rooting for Switch already, now at the latest I can't wait to see the Switch be immensly successful, and making him look like an idiot as with his 3DS/Vita predictions back in the day



Well, in case that you're more interested in strictly economic performance, Nintendo has you covered with the only 3rd party that truly matters, namely mobile. Pokémon GO revenue was significantly larger in 2016 than lifetime Pokémon X/Y revenue, and quite obviously proved instrumental in making Sun/Moon the best selling game since the GameBoy ones.
It has already been confirmed that both FE Heroes and Animal Crossing will be f2p and releasing this year. Nintendo truly is leapfrogging GAF sentiment here, by not going console 3rd party, but embracing that most gaming is and will be on mobile.
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Pokemon STILL doesn't sell more on average than CoD and if you remember Nintendo didn't really see much money from Pokemon GO. Of course it's too early to say how well Sun and Moon will do overall but that's still just one game. Also Sun and Moon aren't the best selling games since the game boy ones, they are the fastest selling. If they continue that pace they will be best selling but it's too early to say for sure.

Finally: PS4 sales numbers would like to have a word with you in regards to future gaming being on mobile :p
 
SamNW said:
I would rather play literally all five of these with a good standard controller (though, to be fair, my experience with SH: SM and Zack & Wiki is incredibly limited). I thought Skyward Sword's motion controls sucked. I also didn't like the game in general and never finished it, which is partially the fault of the motion controls, but not entirely.

Also, I was not aware that there were staunch defenders of RE4's Wii port. Yikes. RE4 is one of my favorite games of all time, and I'm like 80% sure that I'd rather never play it again than be forced to play it again using a Wiimote.

That said, I'm glad you liked them. Obviously, a lot of people did.
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I actually liked skyward sword's controls. What didn't you like about them? Controls not accurate enough?
 
Sweet been waiting on this one. Thanks OP!

Also props to the mods for locking these Switch threads at the first sign of Toxicity.

Don't stop now please.
 
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