College Football 2005: Week 14, Championship Week

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pxleyes said:
O please. Give me a break. It is utterly outrageous that an unranked team from a middle of the road conference is going to a BCS bowl.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But as a Florida fan trying to sucker a FSU fan into an argument, you're a douchebag.
 
Ihateyouchris said:
Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But as a Florida fan trying to sucker a FSU fan into an argument, you're a douchebag.
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I am not suckering them into anything. The BCS is the real sucker in all of this. FSU is simply another catalyst. Imagine if USF was going to a BCS bowl.
 
Ihateyouchris said:
Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But as a Florida fan trying to sucker a FSU fan into an argument, you're a douchebag.
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yep, heh, you can be absolutely right and still be a troll
 
pxleyes said:
I am not suckering them into anything. The BCS is the real sucker in all of this. FSU is simply another catalyst. Imagine if USF was going to a BCS bowl.
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USF would have been AWESOME to see in the BCS, just because I'm a sucker for underdogs. But seriously, when the hell are we gonna get an 8 team playoff?
 
Ihateyouchris said:
USF would have been AWESOME to see in the BCS, just because I'm a sucker for underdogs. But seriously, when the hell are we gonna get an 8 team playoff?
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I actually want a 16 team playoff, but I seem to be alone in that idea. I know it would require 15 bowls overall instead of 7 (which makes more sense given the current system and number of major bowls) but it would allow for a larger number of teams and at least 2-3 losses in a season. My comments about Congress are to that end. I hope they push the BCS aside in favor of a playoff.
 
pxleyes said:
I actually want a 16 team playoff, but I seem to be alone in that idea. I know it would require 15 bowls overall instead of 7 (which makes more sense given the current system and number of major bowls) but it would allow for a larger number of teams and at least 2-3 losses in a season. My comments about Congress are to that end. I hope they push the BCS aside in favor of a playoff.
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Any playoff would be an improvement, but if they ARE going to keep the current system, there should be some sort of provision to give an automatic BCS bid only to teams that have 1 loss or less. This conference champions thing is bullshit.
 
I dunno, I think you can still leave the major conference champs a slot in the playoffs. Since they'll have to play multiple games to actually win the championship, that should keep from soiling the image. Maybe something along the same concept of the NFL playoffs.
 
Bye week for major conference champs maybe? Keep it to 16 teams or whatever, and bye week the major champs. I guess that would make it less than 16, but I like the idea.
 
Tamanon said:
I dunno, I think you can still leave the major conference champs a slot in the playoffs. Since they'll have to play multiple games to actually win the championship, that should keep from soiling the image. Maybe something along the same concept of the NFL playoffs.
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I just think that an automatic bid should only be there as a reward for outright domination for the current system, but for a 16 team playoff, yeah thats a good idea, 8 team.....not so much.
 
Cyan said:
Of course, in this case, that'd mean not enough teams to fill the BCS bowls. :P

One loss (or less) teams:
USC
Texas
Penn St
Oregon
W Va
TCU
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No, only the AUTOMATIC bids would go to conference champions with 1 loss or less, then the left over slots would be at large bids.
 
pxleyes said:
O please. Give me a break. It is utterly outrageous that an unranked team from a middle of the road conference is going to a BCS bowl.
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The ACC is a lot stronger now that we're up to 12 teams, especially considering we've got one of the best teams in the nation (Miami) in it now.

I'm not saying we're the SEC, because we're obviously not, but we're a lot stronger than we used to be.
 
pxleyes said:
The BCS is the real sucker in all of this. FSU is simply another catalyst.
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How's that? Florida State would be in the Orange Bowl as champion, BCS or no BCS, due to the conference tie-in. Besides the BCS only exists to pair #1 and #2 together, and we get a pairing we never would have gotten in the past, as the talking heads repeatedly told us this afternoon.

And how can you have a problem with FSU going to a BCS bowl regardless of their record? They won their conference championship-on the field. Isn't that exactly what playoff proponents want?

LSU and VT losing today locks up an automatic bid for both Ohio State (due to being ranked in the top 4) and Notre Dame (top 6), shutting Oregon out. Assuming the Fiesta Bowl picks Notre Dame first, my predictions for tomorrow:

Rose: Texas vs. USC
Orange: Florida State vs Penn State
Sugar: Georgia vs. Ohio State
Fiesta: Notre Dame vs. West Virginia
 
Congress won't mandate a play-off system. I doubt they can force that on an independent body. They'll be investigating claims from smaller schools that they can't get into the BCS simply by the conference they're in or where they were ranked at the start of the season.

It'll be interesting to see what Congress has to say in general. The BCS forumla is clearly spelled out, and it has worked for th emost part, in getting us the #1 and #2 teams in a game together. When it has been a problem, is when there are 3 undefeated teams, which is going to cause problems under any system, except a play-off. I think all fans want to see a play-off of some type. 8 teams would be great, 16 awesome, although there are all kinds of problems with a 16 team play-off, including how the bowls in are integrated, how long the season would have to be extended, etc.

Reggie Bush is clearly this years Heisman Trophy winner and he deserves it, however Vince Young is indeed one of the elite players in college football. He looks like a man amongst boys on the field, and has plenty of physical abilities. His numbers would also be a lot more impressive were he playing late in the games instead of being pulled in the 3rd quarter when the game is well in hand. Bush and Leinert, played in more close games and had to come from behind a few times as well. Young will get his chance next year, as he has stated multiple times that he'll be back for his senior season. On the other hand, most people expect Bush to jump to the NFL.

On a final note, it is going to be awesome to see USC vs. Texas. This is the game we've all wanted to see all season long, and it's going to happen. It should be a good one, and while USC is an awesome team, and a blast to watch, they shouldn't underestimate the Longhorns, who have plenty of talent of their own. Texas' defense is better than USC's, and better than any that USC has faced this season.
 
Battlezone said:
How's that? Florida State would be in the Orange Bowl as champion, BCS or no BCS, due to the conference tie-in. Besides the BCS only exists to pair #1 and #2 together, and we get a pairing we never would have gotten in the past, as the talking heads repeatedly told us this afternoon.

And how can you have a problem with FSU going to a BCS bowl regardless of their record? They won their conference championship-on the field. Isn't that exactly what playoff proponents want?

LSU and VT losing today locks up an automatic bid for both Ohio State (due to being ranked in the top 4) and Notre Dame (top 6), shutting Oregon out. Assuming the Fiesta Bowl picks Notre Dame first, my predictions for tomorrow:

Rose: Texas vs. USC
Orange: Florida State vs Penn State
Sugar: Georgia vs. Ohio State
Fiesta: Notre Dame vs. West Virginia
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There is no way Notre Dame gets matched up with West Virginia. Fiesta Bowl picks first and third. Notre Dame and either Ohio State or Penn State(Depending on who is taken by the Orange Bowl) will face off in the Fiesta Bowl. West Virginia gets slapped in the Sugar Bowl because they pick last and nobody gives a good god damn about WVU.

Also, neither Ohio State nor Notre Dame are automatically given the at-large bids. The only way to guarantee an at-large bid is to have an undefeated record and be in the top 6 of the final BCS rankings. A team ranked #3 could miss out on a BCS bowl if they lost their conference(or come from a non-BCS conference) with at least one loss.
 
Battlezone said:
How's that? Florida State would be in the Orange Bowl as champion, BCS or no BCS, due to the conference tie-in. Besides the BCS only exists to pair #1 and #2 together, and we get a pairing we never would have gotten in the past, as the talking heads repeatedly told us this afternoon.

And how can you have a problem with FSU going to a BCS bowl regardless of their record? They won their conference championship-on the field. Isn't that exactly what playoff proponents want?

LSU and VT losing today locks up an automatic bid for both Ohio State (due to being ranked in the top 4) and Notre Dame (top 6), shutting Oregon out. Assuming the Fiesta Bowl picks Notre Dame first, my predictions for tomorrow:

Rose: Texas vs. USC
Orange: Florida State vs Penn State
Sugar: Georgia vs. Ohio State
Fiesta: Notre Dame vs. West Virginia
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My point is simply this. An unranked team does not deserve to be in a BCS bowl. If you win your conference, and you are unranked, AND you get to a BCS bowl game, then your conference is not deserving of an automatic bid to a BCS bowl or the system should be changed. It is really quite obvious that an unranked team doesn't deserve a BCS bowl, period. As I mentioned before, the same argument would have been true for USF had they won out their conference.

I just dont see how you can say "regardless of their record." They lost THREE striaght. The last of which to their main rival. There is something seriously wrong with being able to lose three straight in this current system and still going to a BCS bowl game.

EDIT: For those not aware. Bowl Selection is at 5pm EST on ABC.
 
pxleyes said:
My point is simply this. An unranked team does not deserve to be in a BCS bowl. If you win your conference, and you are unranked, AND you get to a BCS bowl game, then your conference is not deserving of an automatic bid to a BCS bowl or the system should be changed. It is really quite obvious that an unranked team doesn't deserve a BCS bowl, period. As I mentioned before, the same argument would have been true for USF had they won out their conference.

I just dont see how you can say "regardless of their record." They lost THREE striaght. The last of which to their main rival. There is something seriously wrong with being able to lose three straight in this current system and still going to a BCS bowl game.

EDIT: For those not aware. Bowl Selection is at 5pm EST on ABC.
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yeah there are other QB's with Vince's number, but how many of them were pulled as early in games? When you destroy everyone you play you get taken out of games early and your stats suffer. Unfortunetly for Vince his huge games happened in the middle of the season and his bad one was at the end. Bush's streak of bad games happened in the middle of the season and he turned into a highlight real at the end.

The championship game should be good, both offenses are great but this will be the best defense USC has faced all year, and the best they have faced this season isnt even close to UT's. That will be the intresting matchup IMO.
 
StoOgE said:
yeah there are other QB's with Vince's number, but how many of them were pulled as early in games? When you destroy everyone you play you get taken out of games early and your stats suffer. Unfortunetly for Vince his huge games happened in the middle of the season and his bad one was at the end. Bush's streak of bad games happened in the middle of the season and he turned into a highlight real at the end.

The championship game should be good, both offenses are great but this will be the best defense USC has faced all year, and the best they have faced this season isnt even close to UT's. That will be the intresting matchup IMO.
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Leinart wasn't pulled in the USC game until late in the fourth :lol
 
better than a trip to the independence bowl, that's for sure. who will florida be playing, anyway? motherhood of the virgin nuns?
 
Incognito said:
better than a trip to the independence bowl, that's for sure. who will florida be playing, anyway? motherhood of the virgin nuns?
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1 more time moron. OUTBACK

And again, 34-7. Two years in a row, and once at Ron Zook field. How does that feel???
 
Ninja Scooter said:
i dont' know if its in the plans, but they need to take back the Big East's automatic bid. Without Miami and Vtech, that conference is completely worthless now. That would at least add one extra at-large bid.
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Yeah the Big East conference champ has a higher ranking than the ACC and SEC's champ. :rolleyes

Yup, screw em!

The Big East has fulfilled all the requirements that was set forward to them by the BCS Committee.

Champion ranked in the Top 12 - check (Louisville counted for last year. Call this the ACC rule, since they would have been eligible to be kicked out unless Miami's ranking counted for them for 2003.)

Two teams ranked in the BCS Top 25 - check.

A Conference Ranking in the Top 6 - check.

TV Markets - Check.

Deal with it, when there's a power vacuum some team will rise to pick up the slack. It's how Miami (rebuilt) and Va Tech originally built themselves up in the first place.


Finally the second the BCS kicks out the Big East is the day it dies since they will then be outnumbered by the non-BCS conferences.

P.S: As to people not giving a damn about West Virginia - unlike Miami they actually manage to always sell out their games.

I'm convinced the reason why many of you want the Big East out is because the only thing you hear about the conference is from the national media. For some reason, ESPN, et. al is out to fuck the Big East over for some god damned silly reason. No one ever bothers to mention that after a conference gets raided and stabbed in the back by another conference that they are going to need some time to rebuild.
 
Archaix said:
There is no way Notre Dame gets matched up with West Virginia. Fiesta Bowl picks first and third. Notre Dame and either Ohio State or Penn State(Depending on who is taken by the Orange Bowl) will face off in the Fiesta Bowl. West Virginia gets slapped in the Sugar Bowl because they pick last and nobody gives a good god damn about WVU.
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Yep, you're right. I had my bowl selections backward. Which sucks, because my buddy has a suite for the Sugar Bowl and was saving a seat for me should Ohio State wind up there. Dammit.

Also, neither Ohio State nor Notre Dame are automatically given the at-large bids. The only way to guarantee an at-large bid is to have an undefeated record and be in the top 6 of the final BCS rankings. A team ranked #3 could miss out on a BCS bowl if they lost their conference(or come from a non-BCS conference) with at least one loss.
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http://www.bcsfootball.org/index2.cfm?page=standards

1. If both the number one and number two teams in the BCS standings are from independent institutions, Conference USA, the Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, or Western Athletic Conferences, those two teams shall play in the national championship game regardless of conference affiliation, and will fill both at-large slots. If one of the top two ranked teams is from an independent institution, Conference USA, the Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, or Western Athletic Conference, that team shall play in the national championship game and fill one of the at-large slots and one at-large slot will remain available.

2. Any team from an independent institution Conference, USA, the Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, or Western Athletic Conference that is ranked three through six shall qualify for automatic selection.
A. If one or more teams other than Notre Dame qualify for automatic selection under this provision, Notre Dame shall also qualify provided it is ranked in the top ten or has won at least nine games.
B. If more than one at-large team qualifies for automatic selection under this provision and there are insufficient at-large slots available to accommodate all of them, the BCS bowls will select from those that qualify.

3. After application of the previous provisions, if any at-large slots remain unfilled and the team ranked either three or four is from the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pacific-10, or Southeastern Conference but is not its representative, that team shall automatically fill one at-large slot and shall be selected to play in one of the BCS bowls. If both the third and fourth ranked teams meet these criteria, then only the third ranked team shall qualify automatically. The third and fourth ranked teams cannot both qualify automatically under this provision.

4.If any at-large slots remain unfilled after application of all previous provisions, then the BCS bowls shall fill such slot(s) by selecting from among the pool of all eligible at-large teams.
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Yeah, looks like I wasn't familiar with the entire ridiculous system.

I like the specific part about Notre Dame though. I was under the impression that they only needed to be ranked in the top 10 to be eligible(which is something that approaches being borderline reasonable), but according to that, they really just need 9 wins. And the real fun part is that Notre Dame gets over 10 million dollars for their BCS apperance, while the rest of the teams in the BCS bowls share the money with the conference they represent.
 
Poll time:

AP Top 25
The nation's sportswriters have their say in the granddaddy of college football polls.
1 Southern California
2 Texas
3 Penn State
4 Ohio State
5 Notre Dame
6 Oregon
7 Auburn
8 Georgia
9 Miami (Fla.)
10 LSU
11 West Virginia
12 Virginia Tech
13 Alabama
14 TCU
15 Louisville
16 Florida
17 UCLA
18 Texas Tech
19 Boston College
20 Michigan
21 Wisconsin
22 Florida State
23 Clemson
24 Georgia Tech
25 Iowa

Coaches Poll
If anyone is in the know, it's the highly regarded coaches who vote here.
1 Southern California
2 Texas
3 Penn State
4 Ohio State
5 Oregon
6 Notre Dame
7 Auburn
8 Georgia
9 Miami (Fla.)
10 LSU
11 West Virginia
12 Virginia Tech
13 Alabama
14 TCU
15 Texas Tech
16 Louisville
17 UCLA
18 Florida
19 Boston College
20 Wisconsin
21 Michigan
22 Florida State
23 Clemson
24 Georgia Tech
25 Iowa

Harris poll link: http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/newsletters/bcsnews/BCS_Dec_4_2005.pdf
 
Archaix said:
Also, neither Ohio State nor Notre Dame are automatically given the at-large bids.
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Actually, with LSU and VT losing yesterday, Ohio State moves to numer 4 in the BCS standings, giving them an automatic BCS berth.
 
Outback bowl has chosen Florida (16) vs. Iowa (unknown in BCS). :D

What was that about independence incognito? Yea, thats what I though asshat.
 
So far we have:

Rose - USC vs. Texas
Orange - Penn State vs. FSU
Outback - Florida vs. Iowa
Fiesta - Ohio State vs. Notre Dame
Sugar - Georgia vs. WV

FINAL BCS Ranking:

1. USC (1)
2. Texas (2)
3. Penn State (3)
4. Ohio State (6)
5. Oregon (7)
6. Notre Dame (8)
7. Miami (9)
8. Auburn (10)
9. Georgia (13)
10. West Virginia (11)
11. Virginia Tech (5)
12. LSU (4)
13. Alabama (15)
14. TCU (14)
15. Texas Tech (16)
16. Florida (17)
17. Wisconsin (18)
18. Michigan (19)
19. Boston College (20)
20. Louisville (21)
21. UCLA (12)
22. Florida State (NR)
23. Oklahoma (23)
24. Northwestern (22)
25. Georgia Tech (24)
 
BCS Bowls:

Rose - USC (1) vs. Texas (2)
Orange - Penn State (3) vs. FSU (22)
Fiesta - Ohio State (4) vs. Notre Dame (6)
Sugar - Georgia (9) vs. WV (10)

Bowl games:

Outback - Florida (16) vs. Iowa (-)
Captial One - Wisconsin (21) vs. Auburn (7)
Peach - Miami (9) vs LSU (10)
Gator - Louisville (15) vs. VT (12)
Alamo - Michigan (20) vs. Nebraska (-)
Cotton - Texas Tech (18) vs Alabama (13)
Holida - Oregon (6) vs. OU (-)
Independence - South Carolina (-) - Missouri (-)
Sun - NW (-) - UCLA (17)
Champs - Clemson (23) - Colorado (-)
 
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