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College Football Week 14 - Conference Championship Games and Pseudo Championships
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Apparently the F was given because they didn't participate in the study.
Same thing happened to us in bball, i believe.
GoldenEye 007
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Texas A&M received an F from the Black Coaches and Administrators for its hiring of Kevin Sumlin: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...hiring-report-card.ap/index.html?sct=cf_t2_a6
Oh, UCF.
Apparently the F was given because they didn't participate in the study.
Oh, I read that part, I just think its irrelevant. Schools that actually hire a minority candidate should be able to tell the BCA to take a hike when they want to discuss their hiring practices without a risk of this negative publicity.
Oh, I read that part, I just think its irrelevant. Schools that actually hire a minority candidate should be able to tell the BCA to take a hike when they want to discuss their hiring practices without a risk of this negative publicity.
I think it's relevant. The BCA should not give F's if schools don't participate in their process. Should be a NR or something for Not Rated.
I think it's relevant. The BCA should not give F's if schools don't participate in their process. Should be a NR or something for Not Rated.
A NR would be fine. Giving a school a F when it hired a minority candidate really undermines the BCA's credibility. Giving a school an A that did a little song and dance for the BCA and then hired a white guy anyway is really ridiculous with A&M getting a F.
When did that happen? Or was it one of those times where nothing really came out other than the "I am happy where I am" thing. I would have liked him but I didn't think he was a realistic choice since it takes a special kind of person to leave a job after one season ( also why I think the people throwing Mora out are retarted).
Not officially, but according to two well-regarded sources on IC Premium.
This is all so crazy. A part of me just wants to see the ACC burn to the ground but...dang. FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 and UNC/Duke to the SEC would be wild. At least UNC athletic/academic ethics probably play nicely with those in the SEC West.
I'm assuming IF UNC and either UVA/Duke come to the SEC, Missouri would be kicked over to the SEC West and the two ACC schools would move into the SEC East. Just makes more geographical sense.
A NR would be fine. Giving a school a F when it hired a minority candidate really undermines the BCA's credibility. Giving a school an A that did a little song and dance for the BCA and then hired a white guy anyway is really ridiculous with A&M getting a F.
Yeah, frankly that makes them look like idiots. It makes no sense and just seems needlessly vindictive.
Also, Debbie Yow is the gift that keeps on giving:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/11/27/3690452/tudor-yow-needs-to-make-charmed.html#storylink=cpy
lol, she should have just told the team "I'm gonna bring in a coach that wouldn't have recruited your sorry asses."
After firing sixth-year coach Tom OBrien on Sunday, Yow said the next coach should be someone capable of turning the Wolfpack into a top-25 program.
Senior offensive lineman Camden Wentz said Yow was more ardent in her discussions with the team. Wentz said Yow referred to a new coach who would bring in Alabama-type talent.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/11/27/3690452/tudor-yow-needs-to-make-charmed.html#storylink=cpy
lol, she should have just told the team "I'm gonna bring in a coach that wouldn't have recruited your sorry asses."
Also, Debbie Yow is the gift that keeps on giving:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...-yow-needs-to-make-charmed.html#storylink=cpy
lol, she should have just told the team "I'm gonna bring in a coach that wouldn't have recruited your sorry asses."
NC State to hire Mike Shula, confirmed. fml
DocTarHeel
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What would the scheduling be like if the SEC goes to 16 teams? 7 and 2?
4 pods of 4 teams most likely.
Also, Debbie Yow is the gift that keeps on giving:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...-yow-needs-to-make-charmed.html#storylink=cpy
lol, she should have just told the team "I'm gonna bring in a coach that wouldn't have recruited your sorry asses."
Debbie Yow single handedly destroyed the ACC.
GoldenEye 007
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Also, Debbie Yow is the gift that keeps on giving:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...-yow-needs-to-make-charmed.html#storylink=cpy
lol, she should have just told the team "I'm gonna bring in a coach that wouldn't have recruited your sorry asses."
Our AD called some of our players donkeys a few years ago. He was fired later on in a hail of NCAA violations.
4 pods of 4 teams most likely.
3 games from your pod, 2 from other pod in your division, 1 from each of the pods in the other division would make 7. Maybe keep the interdivisional rival to make 8?
Either that or play 2 from each of the other pods to make 9 games. That would be better.
I don't like the idea of a team being division champ without playing all of the teams.
A NR would be fine. Giving a school a F when it hired a minority candidate really undermines the BCA's credibility. Giving a school an A that did a little song and dance for the BCA and then hired a white guy anyway is really ridiculous with A&M getting a F.
I agree, calls their credibility into question. Just makes it seem like they throw a fit if schools don't pay attention to them and their response is to issue a derogatory rating for something that's optional in the first place. Nevermind that A&M hired a black man as it's head coach, which is more than what other programs that they gave A's to did. Isn't the ultimate goal of the BCA to have more black coaches?
ascii42 said:What would the scheduling be like if the SEC goes to 16 teams? 7 and 2?
I always assumed that, but I suppose pods are another option. With 7 and 2, it would take forever to play every team in the conference with having permanent cross division rivalries. That is, unless some schools lost those, and the others had the rivals moved to the same division.
Couldn't happen with the 18 teams you've stated. 18/2 is 9! That's 8 conference games just to play your division. 9 games lets you have 1 game a year against the other division. Everyone sets up a rival and never plays anyone else again? 10 games lets you have 2 games in the other division. That means you'll get home and home completed once a decade. Oops, rivalry games screws that up. So, once every 2 decades.
Why assume you have to play so many divisional opponents? If they go 18 (which is dumb) they could play 7 division, 2 cross division rotating spots, & 1 cross division rival. Add 2 OOC games.
GoldenEye 007
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Does the NCAA allow pods? I know the WAC had an issue with it in the past.
Might as well go to pods if you don't play everyone in your division.Why assume you have to play so many divisional opponents? If they go 18 (which is dumb) they could play 7 division, 2 cross division rotating spots, & 1 cross division rival. Add 2 OOC games.
Might as well go to pods if you don't play everyone in your division.
Pods really don't work with 18 teams, works perfectly with 16.
Does the NCAA allow pods? I know the WAC had an issue with it in the past.
Net yet, but if the B1G, B12, PAC12, and the SEC said "look, here's how it's going to be," then the NCAA would acquiesce.
It also doesn't work when you don't play everyone in your division. Then you end up with some bullshit tie breakers deciding the divisional champ some years since head to head would be out the door.Pods really don't work with 18 teams, works perfectly with 16.
Why assume you have to play so many divisional opponents? If they go 18 (which is dumb) they could play 7 division, 2 cross division rotating spots, & 1 cross division rival. Add 2 OOC games.
7 Division games imply that you're in an 8 team division. That means there are 10 teams of the 18 team conference left. Do you see the problem?
Unless you're saying that we're coming up on the days where you don't play all of your division members now.
Pods really don't work with 18 teams, works perfectly with 16.
Well you could have 3 pods of 6. And then, um...play a 3 team football game to determine the champion.
Just put UT Bama Auburn and UGA in a pod together. Sure blance of the conference would go to shit but whatever.
Honest question, is UT's rival in that scenario Bama? I hate this talk during football season. I much prefer it after the first week of January.
Every school makes decision on money if they aren't trying to get more they are either in the Big 4 or not one anyone wants.God all this conference realignment is sickening. Fuck rivalries that have lasted a hundred years we must bow down to the almighty dollar. Thankfully my alma mater is one of the few left that doesn't base every decision on money
Honest question, is UT's rival in that scenario Bama? I hate this talk during football season. I much prefer it after the first week of January.
Yeah sure. In this scenario the four schools that are adamant about their rivalry games not ending Auburn-Bama, Bama-UT, and Auburn-UGA are all together and all the games would be kept.
Yeah sure. In this scenario the four schools that are adamant about their rivalry games not ending Auburn-Bama, Bama-UT, and Auburn-UGA are all together and all the games would be kept.
What about Florida-Georgia? That's kind of a thing.
Just as long as LSU and Florida are together in a pod. We all know how LSU loves to play Florida, since that's all they want to talk about. Having to play Florida.
So...Florida, Georgia, LSU in a pod. Who'd be the fourth, Tennessee? Or maybe like Vanderbilt or Kentucky, in case Tennessee gets good again.
bucknuticus
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God all this conference realignment is sickening. Fuck rivalries that have lasted a hundred years we must bow down to the almighty dollar. Thankfully my alma mater is one of the few left that doesn't base every decision on money
This is cute.
Could still have 1 permanent opponent from another pod. Then rotate have 1 opponent a year from each other pods.What about Florida-Georgia? That's kind of a thing.
So...Florida, Georgia, LSU in a pod. Who'd be the fourth, Tennessee?
No, we're working off the established Bama/Auburn/Georgia/Tenn pod.
LSU/Florida/FSU/A&M
Arkansas/Mizz/USCe/Clemson
Kentucky/Vandy/Ole Miss/MSU
GoldenEye 007
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This is cute.
Yeah. Even Texas does pretty much anything to whore themselves out for more money. And not many more schools, if any, make more than Texas.
No, we're working off the established Bama/Auburn/Georgia/Tenn pod.
LSU/Florida/FSU/A&M
Arkansas/Mizz/USCe/Clemson
Kentucky/Vandy/Ole Miss/MSU
I very much doubt if FSU and Clemson make a move it's to the SEC, I think Big 12 is much more likely.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
FSU and Clemson would make the Big 12 the best conference, methinks.
GoldenEye 007
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FSU and Clemson would make the Big 12 the best conference, methinks.
Eh, I think it is clearly still SEC until someone knocks them off. ND doesn't count.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Eh, I think it is clearly still SEC until someone knocks them off. ND doesn't count.
Of course, but if it were the other way around, it would be hard to argue against a Big XII with OU, Texas, OSU, FSU, Clemson, and Kansas St (as long as Snyder never kicks the bucket.)
What about Florida-Georgia? That's kind of a thing.
So...Florida, Georgia, LSU in a pod. Who'd be the fourth, Tennessee? Or maybe like Vanderbilt or Kentucky, in case Tennessee gets good again.
No, we're working off the established Bama/Auburn/Georgia/Tenn pod.
LSU/Florida/FSU/A&M
Arkansas/Mizz/USCe/Clemson
Kentucky/Vandy/Ole Miss/MSU
That Florida/Georgia game would have to remain. No way is either school giving that up, so if they're in different pods there would be some type of cross-pod guaranteed teams that each team plays every year. Definitely doable, and they don't have to be in the same division, though because of them being in the same division, it's caused those games to be almost a playoff game every year. Whichever team wins usually has the inside track for the East. All of that is really cool and would be diminished in some senses by being in separate divisions or pods. The whole pod discussion just seems like some type of roundball idea to me.
That Florida/Georgia game would have to remain. No way is either school giving that up, so if they're in different pods there would be some type of cross-pod guaranteed teams that each team plays every year. Definitely doable, and they don't have to be in the same division, though because of them being in the same division, it's caused those games to be almost a playoff game every year. Whichever team wins usually has the inside track for the East. All of that is really cool and would be diminished in some senses by being in separate divisions or pods. The whole pod discussion just seems like some type of roundball idea to me.
It seems like you'd need a conference semi-final between each pod in a division. That would never fly.
UNC football has shown more promise (despite the cheating) and probably has longer term upside versus Duke football, though.
Guess what. Not every team in the B1G or the SEC or the ACC or BXII or Pac-12 is going to a bowl game, or will have a winning record. Duke doesn't need to be the same juggernaut in football that they are in basketball, they just can't neglect the sport, which I've pointed out, they've got about $200 million bookmarked for stadium renovations. They were also one of the first ACC schools to have a full size indoor practice field. Duke has a national fanbase (so does the U) and they sell a lot of merchandise. In terms of a brand, we're one of the most recognizable and popular in college sports.
It seems like you'd need a conference semi-final between each pod in a division. That would never fly.
In what world? SEC makes so much money from the SECCG I would be willing to bet they want to expand it to a final four type set up.
7 Division games imply that you're in an 8 team division. That means there are 10 teams of the 18 team conference left. Do you see the problem?
Unless you're saying that we're coming up on the days where you don't play all of your division members now.
Exactly what I'm saying. If they make the decision to go to 18 (why not 20 if you're going THAT big) then scheduling is going to be fucked already.
Beat them at what?Louisville will beat anybody not named Oregon
Oh, I'm sure the SEC would like it. I'm thinking the NCAA and other conferences would take issue with it, since it's getting the SEC teams another quality win. Though if everyone starts doing it....In what world? SEC makes so much money from the SECCG I would be willing to bet they want to expand it to a final four type set up.
Exactly what I'm saying. If they make the decision to go to 18 (why not 20 if you're going THAT big) then scheduling is going to be fucked already.
At that rate, why don't we just have one huge conference and everyone's schedule is completely random each year?
FSU and Clemson would make the Big 12 the best conference, methinks.
I don't know about CU, but FSU is about to slide back to 7-6 seasons unless Jimbo makes some A+ hires after the ACC CG.
FSU and Clemson would make the Big 12 the best conference, methinks.
You must not watch much ACC football. No influx of ACC teams will make any other conference the best conference in CFB.
Honestly curious to see where ND ends up if this stuff keeps going.
At that rate, why don't we just have one huge conference and everyone's schedule is completely random each year?
How exactly would each team/school gain any monetary advantage over another in that setup? The expanded conference future allows a smaller number of teams to pull in more of the money. Not necessarily a good thing for CFB but it's in the interest of those schools to work things in their favor.
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