I've talked about this in the gay Gaf thread so here goes. I've been weight training for two years, went from a scrawny 150 lbs to 164lbs. I've been hovering at that weight now for 6 months....hitting a plateau. When I've asked the bigger guys at the gym or guys I know how they have gotten bigger the common answer is that they have done at least once cycle of steroids in their past ( some have done more or are doing another at the moment). Yes, I know training and eating clean is important, and that's another response I get in addition, but juicing is the one I get in private conversations. So now I'm in the midst of interval debate of whether I need to take this approach. That being said, I also have terrible self esteem, and insecurities, and I freely admit that I train partly because I seek validation and want to look good to attract hunky guys (who also seem to juice). I've also been rejected on hook up apps for being too small and not "muscular enough". To the point that I haven't had sex in 3 months even though I live in a city with the third largest gay population in North America. All this rejection is ruining my head space. And it hurts. It sucks because I don't want to do steroids for the obvious health reasons and it's so expensive.