GreyHorace
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Mike S. Miller here, 27 year comic book artist formerly of Comicsgate, formerly of DC Comics, formerly of Marvel comics... a lot of formerly's... AMA!
Lots of interesting stuff he said here. Particularly about Marvel and DC not needing to compete with each other anymore, since they're now owned by corporations and don't need to produce quality work to survive. Which leaves them wide open for SJW types to use the comics as propaganda.
CheapGear
Why do you think the big comic companies started pandering so heavily to sjw types? And still do it despite knowing those comics sell poorly.
Mike S. Miller @AbacusMike66 points·1 day ago
I think that the major comic book companies no longer need to compete. The amount of total money the comic book industry brings in every year in retail sales is about a billion dollars. Split that up with all the publishers, take out the distributor and retail %, and you're at about $400M. Probably $150 going to Marvel, $150 going to DC, and the rest divvied up among the rest of the industry.
That is chump change compared to a single WB or Disney movie. So for them, M/DC are at BEST an RnD tax write off. They don't make enough money to bother with, but they continue to be funded. Without the motivation of competition and profit, you get what has essentially become Socialist comicdom. The invisible hand that guides competition into greatness has become the social marxist petri dish pumping out propaganda wholesale, and bleeding the local comic shop dry in the interim.
qwertygue
What happens if, or I suppose, when the comic shops go out business? Does the industry have a contingency plan for that?
Mike S. Miller @AbacusMike22 points·1 day ago
The LCS is the victim of the big two's garbage business sense. The industry will just become more and more niche if things go the way they are going.
glorious-pc-gamer
Android/iOS apps. No need for spending money on print, selling wholesale to middle men, etc. All profit to the publisher.
Mike S. Miller @AbacusMike30 points·1 day ago
Totally different market as it stands. The LCS is the 40 year old dudes who grew up reading comics, and their offspring who they have somehow convinced to pick up the hobby.
The kids reading everything on their phones are on Webtoons and instagram, they don't care about Batman and Wolverine other than to watch them in the movies. This generational shift will in all likelihood produce a totally different fanbase that recognizes characters and stories that most people have never heard of today.
TonyTGD
Why has the quality of comic book art dropped so much in the last 10 years?
Mike S. Miller @AbacusMike53 points·1 day ago
They no longer need to compete. With no competition, quality is no longer an issue. Check out my response to CheapGear below. Now leftists hire other leftists, instead of Editors doing their damned jobs and looking for the best artists they can find.
nogodafterall
This might seem imprudent given that I handled reinstating this thread, but what is your opinion on the seeming rise and plateauing of the online comic industry? I am old enough to remember keenspot and other comic hosters being the wave of the future when the ink industry was in doldrums. I am still waiting for the renaissance of online comic making that was promised. Is there no future for online comics on a level higher than CTRL+ALT+DEL and other joke strips?
Mike S. Miller @AbacusMike14 points·1 day ago
I was there, man. I had a comic strip called 'Electronic Tigers' that I got up to 40K unique viewers a day in 8 months. I really thought webcomics were the future of comics. And in a way they are, but as I noted in the answer above, I think there's going to be a hard generational shift between here and there. Print comics may die. Or become so ridiculously niche. My daughter, her friends, they're on Instagram, they're on Webtoons. Those comics are reaching millions of readers, and smart web comics are making their way to those apps to continue to grow their free readership.
How they monetize that readership, today anyway, is still in print. Icarus and the Sun did what, like $750K on Indiegogo? That from a readership of 1.2 million on Instagram, if I recall correctly (I probably don't). That just proves there will always be comics fans. It's up to we, the creators, to go to THEM, not for them to come to us. The LCS is a relic of a market that can no longer sustain long term.
AnarcrotheAlchemist
Mike, you have worked for DC, Marvel and Image. I've noticed as a fan and through most of the management, editors, and "lead" creators interactions on social media that a hostility towards center and right wing views has taken hold in the comic book industry. I have noticed that any creators that have "revealed" themselves to have conservative inclinations have been ostracised from the industry. Is this something that you have noticed or is it something that is not true and is just a coincidence?
You were only working with DC until a couple of years ago. What changes did you notice that seemed to push out conservative creators? Can you give any examples?
Marvel seems to be the most openly hostile towards conservatives did you notice any hostility directed at you while working for them?
Are you still trying to put out material through Image and has the correspondence through them changed at all?
edit: also another question regarding the "major" comicbook news sites, these are openly hostile to conservative creators and stories is this discussed or acknowledged amongst creators and a factor in this bias against hiring conservative creators.
Mike S. Miller @AbacusMike16 points·1 day ago
Hi Alchemist,
Yes, I have noticed that. It's not just a coincidence. And when Trump got elected, it got even more obvious. The conservatives I know who are still employed by Marvel and DC are quite about it. Some of them are just boomers and don't know how to use social media, or choose not to, and because of that, they stay under the radar with editorial. But anyone who voices an opinion on social media... their time is done at the big 2. I can't think of anyone that doesn't apply to.
Erik is a crazy leftist, as I think are most of the people involved at Image nowadays. lol. No, I'm not trying to publish with them at all. I'm doing my own thing on indiegogo now, and promoting on my YouTube channel. Times are a changin'. Change with them, or go the way of the dinosaurs!
ErikaThePaladin
Hi! While I was never a big comic book fan, I have paid some attention to the drama going on in the industry over the past few years...
My observation has been that... The industry seems to have been overrun (especially at the bigger publishers like Marvel, DC, and IDW) with people more interested in pushing a certain viewpoint than telling a story. I've seen examples from a lot of recent comics that have suffered in writing and art due to this.
Would you say that my observation is accurate, or am I missing something? And if I am correct, what do you think has lead to this?
Mike S. Miller @AbacusMike18 points·1 day ago·edited 19 hours ago
I just responded to this in this thread, but I'll ad to what I said. I had Chuck Dixon on my show 'Nerds of the Round Table' a couple weeks ago discussing just this. He said that 'liberals' had always been in charge for the most part, but that they were reasonable back in the day. He said that he and Denny O'Neill never agreed on anything, but they were friends, and Denny kept him busy as a writer. But when Denny retired, things changed. The more and more things lurched to the left, the worse off comics became for conservative creators. The more welcome the leftist creators became. The more quiet the conservatives became. Then, from my observation, when Donald Trump was elected president, everything went sideways. Trump Derangement Syndrome kicked in full effect at Marvel and DC, and now we find ourselves here.
Can the industry ever turn around, is the question. I find it hard to believe it can. I know it doesn't have the will.
Lots of interesting stuff he said here. Particularly about Marvel and DC not needing to compete with each other anymore, since they're now owned by corporations and don't need to produce quality work to survive. Which leaves them wide open for SJW types to use the comics as propaganda.