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[Sandfox]

BC: Marvel's plan for comic shops were only a hit with one group.

Both that article Nd the link are are pretty disingenuous. I expect that from Jude Terror though.

Why doesn't Marvel just call books mini and Maxi series. Seems like alot of their bad PR about cancellations would be easier if they just said stuff like Kingpin or Star Lord were limited series.

Because Star-Lord was meant to be an ongoing.

 

[Messi]

"For every copy of Star Lord vol 1, Chip will pack in a volume of Kaptara"

Can't imagine that's gonna move any copies.

 

[LordOfLore]

JRJR got mixed feeling from me since the interview yesterday. And I usually cape for him, but what he said about diversity and saying "transgenders" left a bad taste in my mouth. Especially after fucking Didio and Capullo had some tactful and honest answers to diversity and representation in comics.

Jude Terror of all people actually corrected CBR on it.

 

[MHWilliams]

Why doesn't Marvel just call books mini and Maxi series. Seems like alot of their bad PR about cancellations would be easier if they just said stuff like Kingpin or Star Lord were limited series.

Marvel just talked about that.

"A maxi-series," a retailer suggested. "Totally, you should do maxi-series. Or a mini-series."

"I'm going to tell you, the limited series is the death knell,” Gabriel said of the current market environment. "The only place that it hasn't been a death knell, which is amazing, is on the Star Wars stuff. Anytime we've called something a limited series, it did not hurt the sales at all. You call anything else in the Marvel Universe a limited series, it's dead on arrival."

Alonso sounded rueful that the name was such a problem. "I would love to be able to release limited series," he said. "There'd be nothing more reassuring than that, because it means that I can create a team and say, ‘All right, you've got 10 issues, you've got 12 issues. Write it. You know what your ending is. Get it done.’"

I disagree, because Vision sold rather well and we all knew it was 12 issues, but eh.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

Can't imagine that's gonna move any copies.

Especially not to Scholastic haha

 

[LordOfLore]

Marvel just talked about that.



I disagree, because Vision sold rather well and we all knew it was 12 issues, but eh.

They're even doing Director's Cut versions of it.

 

[Messi]

Marvel just talked about that.



I disagree, because Vision sold rather well and we all knew it was 12 issues, but eh.

For such a highly praised book 20k ain't that high. A large majority of people see a mini series and trade wait or forget about it.

 

[Sandfox]

Marvel just talked about that.



I disagree, because Vision sold rather well and we all knew it was 12 issues, but eh.

Vision didn't really sell all that well.

 

[BKatastrophe]

So you think it'll never be changed back then? Lol ok.

That's not what I said.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

I forget about the existence of minis or OGNs regularly. Not sure why, but it's true that if something doesn't have a followup to keep it in mind, I'm less likely to get the trade. Unless it's someone I'm already invested in and follow in general, like I knooooow there's a HB and new Lemire OGN this week, no chance of missing those. However, like 8 months ago I thought "The Spire looks awesome" but I totally missed the release and it was really just Godshaper that reminded me again, otherwise it was gone with the wind. I'm keeping release date docs now lol

 

[Lashley]

Legit, why are people pissed about secret empire?

 

[mreddie]

Legit, why are people pissed about secret empire?

Cap is HYDRA
Spencer is trying play Hydra as not Nazis but end up doing Nazi shit.
The symbolism is too much especially in today's climate.
Another Event.

Spoiler

All heroes get buried by Cap

 

[MHWilliams]

For such a highly praised book 20k ain't that high. A large majority of people see a mini series and trade wait or forget about it.

Vision didn't really sell all that well.

It's decent for a Vision title, I'd say, but yeah, it didn't burn up the charts.

Legit, why are people pissed about secret empire?

As I said earlier, I was fine with the Hydra Cap story up until now.

Spoiler

The original timeline had the Nazis win, so Cap was always bad

and

Spoiler

Cap wielding Mjolnir are just dumb

. Dumb thing that will be retconned and forgetten the instant we finish this.

I compare it to the Clone Era conciet of Peter Parker always being the clone. I loved Ben Reilly. I was completely down with him being Spider-Man. But the swerve was dumb. The instant it happened, you knew it was something they were going to reverse course on. This is the same.

 

[RepairmanJack]

Legit, why are people pissed about secret empire?

Tired and fatigue ridden Marvel plot line that is essentially just a hero vs other heroes. Didn't want it and don't care, but then you ad an extra level of stupid with the Nazi stuff and it pushes a little past tired into "this is just ridiculous".

 

[echoshifting]

How is Spencer handling the leak?

 

[LordOfLore]

Cap is HYDRA
Spencer is trying play Hydra as not Nazis but end up doing Nazi shit.
The symbolism is too much especially in today's climate.
Another Event.

Spoiler

All heroes get buried by Cap

Also the newest LGBT character is killed in the first issue.

 

[shingi70]

Also the newest LGBT character is killed in the first issue.

Wait what.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

How is Spencer handling the leak?

What leak? #0 is out.

 

[RepairmanJack]

How is Spencer handling the leak?

In a catastrophic level of irony, he wants the leakers punched.

Spoiler

joking obviously, couldn't pass up the joke.

 

[MHWilliams]

Wait what.

Spoiler

Quasar,

I assume.

 

[caliph95]

Spoiler

Quasar,

I assume.

Spoiler

I doubt she's dead

 

[Lashley]

Cap is HYDRA
Spencer is trying play Hydra as not Nazis but end up doing Nazi shit.
The symbolism is too much especially in today's climate.
Another Event.

Spoiler

All heroes get buried by Cap

It's decent for a Vision title, I'd say, but yeah, it didn't burn up the charts.



As I said earlier, I was fine with the Hydra Cap story up until now.

Spoiler

The original timeline had the Nazis win, so Cap was always bad

and

Spoiler

Cap wielding Mjolnir are just dumb

. Dumb thing that will be retconned and forgetten the instant we finish this.

I compare it to the Clone Era conciet of Peter Parker always being the clone. I loved Ben Reilly. I was completely down with him being Spider-Man. But the swerve was dumb. The instant it happened, you knew it was something they were going to reverse course on. This is the same.

Tired and fatigue ridden Marvel plot line that is essentially just a hero vs other heroes. Didn't want it and don't care, but then you ad an extra level of stupid with the Nazi stuff and it pushes a little past tired into "this is just ridiculous".

Ah, I don't mind it personally. The big stuff will be retconned and I'm enjoying the ride ATM. I will admit the reveal about

Spoiler

hydra having won originally

was silly

 

[dan2026]

I actually quite liked the Secret Wars event.
(Or Secret Wars 2 I guess)

Seems like this event might be another Marvel clunkerTM though.

 

[mreddie]

Ah, I don't mind it personally. The big stuff will be retconned and I'm enjoying the ride ATM. I will admit the reveal about

Spoiler

hydra having won originally

was silly

It's basically a title reign no one gives a fuck about like Randy Orton winning the belt or Misha Tate winning the belt or the Celtics being #1 in the NBA for no reason.

It will come to pass but now? People are just eh or pissed off.

 

[Father_Brain]

P. sure I'm whole right, friend.

pastiching Watchmen's nine-panel grid and structure in a routine superhero story that happens to feature Watchmen characters, genius

Just reread Pax Americana instead.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

It's basically a title reign no one gives a fuck about like ...Misha Tate winning the belt.

Hey, c'mon now. No need for that. I know emotions are a lil high right now but

 

[caliph95]

pastiching Watchmen's nine-panel grid and structure in a routine superhero story that happens to feature Watchmen characters, genius

Just reread Pax Americana instead.

For someone who hates Alan Moore, Grant Morrison does a good job emulating him for the issue even if it was to make a point

 

[Lashley]

It's basically a title reign no one gives a fuck about like Randy Orton winning the belt or Misha Tate winning the belt or the Celtics being #1 in the NBA for no reason.

It will come to pass but now? People are just eh or pissed off.

I honestly can't grasp being pissed off at a comic book

Maybe I'm too laid back

 

[mreddie]

I honestly can't grasp being pissed off at a comic book

Maybe I'm too laid back

It's being a mark. Like I said, we know the end game is the end of August.

So basically we gotta suffer though the summer with this shit.

 

[dan2026]

For someone who hates Alan Moore, Grant Morrison does a good job emulating him for the issue even if it was to make a point

Alan Moore is a grumpy old bastard. I have loved some of his work, but I really don't care which companies screwed him over or whatever. Some of the stuff he says about other creators and artists is downright insulting.

Grant Morrison at least seems like a fairly affable dude. Probably all the drugs.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Spoiler

Quasar,

I assume.

Who is

Spoiler

Quasar now? Was that supposed to be Phyla Vell or someone else?

. I read the issue, just had no idea

Spoiler

who holds the Quasar mantle now.

 

[Sandfox]

Who is

Spoiler

Quasar now? Was that supposed to be Phyla Vell or someone else?

. I read the issue, just had no idea

Spoiler

who holds the Quasar mantle now.

Spoiler

A new character introduced during Standoff.

 

[mreddie]

Who is

Spoiler

Quasar now? Was that supposed to be Phyla Vell or someone else?

. I read the issue, just had no idea

Spoiler

who holds the Quasar mantle now.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Avril Kincaid, she barely popped up around Standoff, was given the bands.

 

[Poodlestrike]

pastiching Watchmen's nine-panel grid and structure in a routine superhero story that happens to feature Watchmen characters, genius

Just reread Pax Americana instead.

Not King's first outing with the 9 panel grid. It being an issue not only dealing with Watchmen characters but Watchmen themes (the thing with the hockey player, the entire countdown metaphor...) is just icing on the cake.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Spoiler

Avril Kincaid, she barely popped up around Standoff, was given the bands.

Might as well have put them in a vending machine and let some random five year-old have them. Not like they could have done any worse. :3

 

[jurgen]

Might as well have put them in a vending machine and let some random five year-old have them. Not like they could have done any worse. :3

No, Marvel dictates the character be a physically fit lesbian in her late 20s.

 

[MHWilliams]

I'm reasonably sure Wendell Vaughn isn't doing it because "fuck that noise". He said he lost control, but I know you son. You got shook.

 

[Freezasaurus]

No, Marvel dictates the character be a physically fit lesbian in her late 20s.

Did you read Secret Empire #0? Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.

Spoiler

She jobbed to a space dragon.

.

 

[jurgen]

Did you read Secret Empire #0? Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.

Spoiler

She jobbed to a space dragon.

.

I was making reference to the last Quasar being Phyla-Vell. Gotta keep the streak alive.

 

[Freezasaurus]

I was making reference to the last Quasar being Phyla-Vell. Gotta keep the streak alive.

Ah. Now I get it.

 

[Father_Brain]

For someone who hates Alan Moore, Grant Morrison does a good job emulating him for the issue even if it was to make a point

Well, that's exactly the problem, IMO: the key difference is that Pax Americana is riffing on Watchmen for the purpose of saying something about Watchmen and its relationship with the superhero genre, which is not something I expect The Button or whatever follows from it to do more than half-assedly.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

As I said earlier, I was fine with the Hydra Cap story up until now.

Spoiler

The original timeline had the Nazis win, so Cap was always bad

and

Spoiler

Cap wielding Mjolnir are just dumb

. Dumb thing that will be retconned and forgetten the instant we finish this.

Spoiler

The Mjolnir page was a leaked page taken completely out of context though. Feels weird to judge it under those circumstances.

 

[shingi70]

Really looking forward to Sideways, the art Fant was posted looks hot, and Dido, Jordan, and Rockaforst doing Cosmic Spider-man sounds too damn cool.

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[Lashley]

Spoiler

The Mjolnir page was a leaked page taken completely out of context though. Feels weird to judge it under those circumstances.

I agree. Was saying earlier it could be a vision or a dream or anything

 

[choaffable]

Spoiler

The Mjolnir page was a leaked page taken completely out of context though. Feels weird to judge it under those circumstances.

Spoiler

I haven't read the issue, but the twist will probably be that Captain Nazimerca is wielding the alt-Mjlolnir from the Evil Avengers teamed that popped up in Hickman's Time Runs Out arc.

Spencer's already pilfering elements from Hickman's past Marvel work (and he was writing Avengers World concurrently with Hickman, if I remember correctly), so it's a twist I can see happening.

 

[jurgen]

Really looking forward to Sideways, the art Fant was posted looks hot, and Dido, Jordan, and Rockaforst doing Cosmic Spider-man sounds too damn cool.

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It sounds like a Kirby-Esque take on Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle. I like it.

And as much shit as Didio has (justifiably) received over all these years, he can write a really fun comic. OMAC, Infinity Man and Forever People, Challengers, etc have all surprised me with how good they are.

 

[shingi70]

It sounds like a Kirby-Esque take on Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle. I like it.

And as much shit as Didio has (justifiably) received over all these years, he can write a really fun comic. OMAC, Infinity Man and Forever People, Challengers, etc have all surprised me with how good they are.

Challangers is his only book i didnt like despite loving the premise of the. Hlanngera being a reality show.

 

[tim1138]

It sounds like a Kirby-Esque take on Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle. I like it.

And as much shit as Didio has (justifiably) received over all these years, he can write a really fun comic. OMAC, Infinity Man and Forever People, Challengers, etc have all surprised me with how good they are.

I agree. Say what you will about his abilities as an exec, but he writes fun comics.

 

[LordOfLore]

I agree. Say what you will about his abilities as an exec, but he writes fun comics.

Bat-Cow! That and Johns' Dex-Starr one-shot are the best animal short stories.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I actually quite liked the Secret Wars event.
(Or Secret Wars 2 I guess)

Seems like this event might be another Marvel clunkerTM though.

Secret Wars 3, technically, I guess