BrightLightLava
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I have it on good authority that the ongoing storyline with Hydra isn't political or relevant to the modern day in any way whatsoever, so I wouldn't worry about it.
Goddamnit, Spencer.
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I have it on good authority that the ongoing storyline with Hydra isn't political or relevant to the modern day in any way whatsoever, so I wouldn't worry about it.
Donniewahlberg
Banned
This panel is boooooring, mostly because of the way the blogger is reporting it, but it did say at the top there "wildstorm announcements forthcoming". Whether that's on this panel or not...
They're really going there. :/
They are always either Spectre/Kobra or Nazis depending on the story and writer
Hickman went with Kobra and secret ancient conspiracy, Brubabker went with nazis and Spencer does a combination
Also that seems something Hydra would do.
Vic_Viper
Member
The X-Men and other Mutants have been put into camps in storylines for as long as they have been around. Why is this so different from what has happened before? This is exactly the same thing they did just 3 years ago with Axis and I didnt see anyone up in arms because Remender and the Red Skull were putting Mutants in concentration camps.
Yes Axis wasnt the best storyline, but Secret Empire and Axis pretty much share the exact same plot devise. Spencer even credits Remender with the idea lol.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
The really want to do this huh.
So they are basically whatever the plot needs them to be?
Well the Red Skull is a super Nazi. That kinda behaviour is expected I guess.
Since going by Hickman and stuff i remmeber from sandfox they use the fact there are different factions and leaders as an excuse to be whatever the writer wants and to quote myslf
WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?
Vic_Viper
Member
Hydra's origin according to Marvel's Wiki:
The man most responsible for the creation of Hydra was Baron Wolfgang von Strucker, the Prussian aristocrat who served as wing commander of Nazi Germany's infamous Death's Head Squadron, and later as leader of its Blitzkrieg Squad of commandos. Infuriated by Strucker's defeats by American commando Sgt. Nicholas Fury, and by Strucker's refusal to execute the entire population of a French village, Adolf Hitler ordered the Gestapo to find and assassinate him. Strucker escaped Germany with the help of some of its men, and more importantly, with that of the Third Reich's second most powerful leader, the Red Skull. The Skull eventually intended to challenge Hitler himself, and assigned Strucker to build a power base for him in the Far East. The embittered Strucker had no intention of serving anyone but himself, however, and severed ties with the Skull on becoming the Supreme Hydra.
More on Marvel.com: https://marvel.com/universe/Hydra#ixzz4f5o0KsE4
So yes, the main faction started out as part of the Nazis and splintered off.
Before the evolution of mankind, a cabal of immortal hooded reptoids came to Earth, planning to start a legacy of evil.[3] Millions of years later, they corrupted an Asian secret society of geniuses known as the Brotherhood of the Spear, which resulted in that group being called "the Beast" by the Brotherhood of the Shield.[4] The corrupted Brotherhood of the Spear spread out, ingraining itself like a multi-headed serpent into all facets of human society, from science to magic and politics. As time wore on, the organization's name changed and it included the Cathari sect as well as the Thule Society.[5] The Nazi sub group, funded by the Thule Society, was brought into the main Hydra fold after the end of World War II.[6]
One of the Nazi members, Baron Wolfgang von Strucker, quickly seized control of the Hydra organization and restructured it to be dedicated to world domination through terrorist and subversive activities on various fronts, resulting in a neo-fascist New World Order. To this end, Baron Strucker used his personal fortune, based on his recovered hoard of Nazi plunder from World War II, and funds established by the original leaders of the Japanese secret society that became part of the old Hydra.[6] However, after Strucker's first death, Hydra broke into factions (such as AIM, Secret Empire, Them, etc.) that each adopted its own reorganized modus operandi.[6] Eventually, this fragmentation would lead to a Hydra civil war, even after Strucker's resurrection.
The man most responsible for the creation of Hydra was Baron Wolfgang von Strucker, the Prussian aristocrat who served as wing commander of Nazi Germany's infamous Death's Head Squadron, and later as leader of its Blitzkrieg Squad of commandos. Infuriated by Strucker's defeats by American commando Sgt. Nicholas Fury, and by Strucker's refusal to execute the entire population of a French village, Adolf Hitler ordered the Gestapo to find and assassinate him. Strucker escaped Germany with the help of some of its men, and more importantly, with that of the Third Reich's second most powerful leader, the Red Skull. The Skull eventually intended to challenge Hitler himself, and assigned Strucker to build a power base for him in the Far East. The embittered Strucker had no intention of serving anyone but himself, however, and severed ties with the Skull on becoming the Supreme Hydra.
More on Marvel.com: https://marvel.com/universe/Hydra#ixzz4f5o0KsE4
So yes, the main faction started out as part of the Nazis and splintered off.
Before the evolution of mankind, a cabal of immortal hooded reptoids came to Earth, planning to start a legacy of evil.[3] Millions of years later, they corrupted an Asian secret society of geniuses known as the Brotherhood of the Spear, which resulted in that group being called "the Beast" by the Brotherhood of the Shield.[4] The corrupted Brotherhood of the Spear spread out, ingraining itself like a multi-headed serpent into all facets of human society, from science to magic and politics. As time wore on, the organization's name changed and it included the Cathari sect as well as the Thule Society.[5] The Nazi sub group, funded by the Thule Society, was brought into the main Hydra fold after the end of World War II.[6]
One of the Nazi members, Baron Wolfgang von Strucker, quickly seized control of the Hydra organization and restructured it to be dedicated to world domination through terrorist and subversive activities on various fronts, resulting in a neo-fascist New World Order. To this end, Baron Strucker used his personal fortune, based on his recovered hoard of Nazi plunder from World War II, and funds established by the original leaders of the Japanese secret society that became part of the old Hydra.[6] However, after Strucker's first death, Hydra broke into factions (such as AIM, Secret Empire, Them, etc.) that each adopted its own reorganized modus operandi.[6] Eventually, this fragmentation would lead to a Hydra civil war, even after Strucker's resurrection.
So kinda off again, on again nazis depending on who happens to be in charge.
To be honest I don't really have a problem with them putting Inhumans in camps.
Its just villains doing villain things.
It's not like they aren't going to get their ass kicked soon enough.
You want them to be Nazi have Red Skull or do you want them to Spectre use i think Madam Hydra. Either works for heroes to fight villains
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
And the Hand is in there somewhere.
Well, for one, Alonso and Spencer are claiming to anyone that's listening that Hydra are not nazis, or nazi-like in any way shape or form. This ideological whitewashing extends to the whole of Nick Spencer's tenure on Captain America, which went to great lengths to try and remove anything coming close to a political position going beyond the usual platitudes of liberal democracy.
The problem is, this is some nazi-ass nazi shit. And you have to acknowledge that, not only because of the context in which Captain America was created, but because it's the fucking history of the characters you're drawing from.
Regardless of intent, by cluelessly pulling that shit off, Spencer, and Marvel at large, are trivializing the high-scale state sanctioned genocide of between six and eleven million people. And, again, fuck this.
That is some nazi shit. Yes, it was a blip in the radar back in 2014 but considering how these guys are saying HYDRA aren't Nazis and try their best to separate from that and yet, they can't shake it off.
Also, the vet talking about how HYDRA Cap feels like a betrayal and Spencer giving her the brushoff is just, jeezus.
Also, the vet talking about how HYDRA Cap feels like a betrayal and Spencer giving her the brushoff is just, jeezus.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
WTF.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
What the fuck! Does Spencer have any ideas what he is doing now? Is Spencer's run on Captain America is based on the idea that Steve Rodgers might be a Nazi?
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Mmm, still can't decide if I want to pick up the first volume of this or not. I haven't read a Williams book before, and seems maybe wiser to go check out Manhunter? That was pretty well received, while this just seems to be existing. How does it compare?
echoshifting
Banned
I wonder how much traffic Rich Johnston is getting from Secret Empire
Did he and Marvel work out some kind of deal
Did he and Marvel work out some kind of deal
The idea that he might be if reality was altered from am early stage... I think. It's not a good look.
It's great comics right now. I wouldn't say it's just existing. It's what a suicide squad book needs to be.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
It just so confusing to think about.
He's focusing on the outrage which considering Outhousers/BC are the same coin, makes sense.
I assume Spencer is going for some Nationlism is just as bad but he's doing a shit job with it.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
What are the good comic book websites nowadays?
It wasn't the best move given the political climate. Seems like Spencer wanted to be on the cutting edge and fully committed.
Bet you folks would take Bendis back in a heartbeat lol
Neogaf.com
echoshifting
Banned
Spencer isn't writing Secret Warriors, so that criticism doesn't seem to apply to today's shocking revelation
Haven't found one I liked enough to check daily or even weekly.
Gladly
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
I know I am.
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Fair enough. It feels dumb saying I don't hear much about it, given Shingi literally posted to say how good it was haha but in general, I don't feel like I hear as much mention of it as the other Rebirth stuff. Good to know though, I saw awhile back that
Zod
Only book you need
Freeza heel turned on my privately in PM's today. He's refusing to feature the DC Looney Toons crossovers.
#BanFreeza
Wait...who is HHH if I am HBK... Obviously?
Sure, but it gets much stronger when Jim Lee leaves.
LordOfLore
Banned
I really want a book showing the Rogues origins in modern times. Could be a cool backup story in a Flash arc.
I've only read the first volume of his MM run but it has a alien conspiracy bent to it.
Maybe, it really feels like Lee ghost wrote the main story stuff before the Justice League event. It has less serious writing to the back ups that accompany it, and is a lot more shootbang heavy.
The lee written stuff reads more like the New 52 Run, while the Issues he's not on feels more in line with the Ostarnder run. Lots of action with a political bent.
It's till worth it as it sets up stuff in the book post crossover.
More than familiar with the Ostrander stuff 😊
Freezasaurus
Member
Jesus. They're really going all-in with the Nazi vibe, huh? I mean, I kind of get it. Without an angle as sinister as that, who are HYDRA really? Not much better than AIM.
This can be said for pretty much any event ever. This one is just especially gross.
I'm guessing what he's referring to is that It wasn't brainwashing, but Steve isn't in his right mind.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I have just read Lois and Clark after finishing Flashpoint and The Darkseid War.
I really enjoyed it, but there are some questions that I started with and it wasn't answered thourgh the reading:
1- This Clark from the black suit, came from which universe?
2- Is the universe he is now the same from Darkseid War? Is it Earth-1?
3- That Anti-Monitor fight that was shown, was that from another Crisis before The Darkseid War?
4- Lois and Clark story happened after Flashpoint?
I really enjoyed it, but there are some questions that I started with and it wasn't answered thourgh the reading:
1- This Clark from the black suit, came from which universe?
2- Is the universe he is now the same from Darkseid War? Is it Earth-1?
3- That Anti-Monitor fight that was shown, was that from another Crisis before The Darkseid War?
4- Lois and Clark story happened after Flashpoint?
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