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COMICS!!! |OT| August 2017 | Gwenpool's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard

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RedHoodedOwl

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BKatastrophe said:
Except not. Inhumans was never popular and never really gained any traction, which is why they've always been relegated to bit parts, supporting roles, and minis. TTGo was, and has been, super popular from day one. It makes sense CN would milk the shit out of it.
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So, you would eat your favorite candy bar in a monotonous loop? No, you don't place you the popular show in constant marathons, while pushing other good shows to the curb.
 
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BKatastrophe

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RedHoodedOwl said:
So, you would eat your favorite candy bar in a monotonous loop? No, you don't place you the popular show in constant marathons, while pushing other good shows to the curb.
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That's a bad analogy. Kids will watch the same shit over and over, and if it maintains viewership (which is getting harder and harder for network/cable networks to do) then they are going to push it constantly. JLA didn't hit the marks the way they wanted, so that means it's going to get pushed back. It's what CN has been doing for about a decade at this point. Getting salty about CN not pushing a show that isn't getting the viewership they want shouldn't be a thing. Now with Young Justice, that's a different story.
 
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RedHoodedOwl

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BKatastrophe said:
That's a bad analogy. Kids will watch the same shit over and over, and if it maintains viewership (which is getting harder and harder for network/cable networks to do) then they are going to push it constantly. JLA didn't hit the marks the way they wanted, so that means it's going to get pushed back. It's what CN has been doing for about a decade at this point. Getting salty about CN not pushing a show that isn't getting the viewership they want shouldn't be a thing. Now with Young Justice, that's a different story.
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Getting salty?
 
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Freezasaurus

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Ha ha, perfect.

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Vic_Viper

Vic_Viper

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Has D.C. Said anything about putting out a complete HC collection for All Stat Batman? They still haven't done one for the New 52 Batman so I'm not getting my hopes up, but it would be nice if they would.

Just started reading Metal #1 and need to go back and finish All Star. Had been waiting for a complete HC before.
 
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LordOfLore

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Let superheroes die and let them stay dead
The only thing more likely to come back than a dead superhero is the chili you had for lunch. If they were flowers, they could be hibiscus (i.e., perennial). If they were bugs, they’d be cicadas.

Superheroes come back from the dead. You know this. I know this. This is not an obscure piece of nerd lore that needs a 2,400-word explainer. It’s not a twist you can pull off on a viewer that hasn’t read the source material.

So why do TV shows and movies keep acting like it is?

Writers will never stop killing characters: Major Character Death is too valuable as a narrative tool and it’s not going away any time soon. Writers are never going to stop resurrecting characters: These are multibillion dollar franchise films that depend on name recognition of both actors and characters.

But there is a better way. A better way than the 5 minute tragic death scene and 15 minutes of mourning before the reveal of the hero’s survival.

Let superheroes die, and — this is the important part — let them stay dead.

[Warning: This post will contain spoilers for The Defenders. Also X2: X-Men United, The Dark Knight Rises, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, The Death and Return of Superman, Final Crisis, Logan, and potentially Justice League.]
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Sandfox

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Captain Skeleton said:
He got such a push by Marvel!



Any chance of a link?
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Dan Slott talking about it on CBR:
I've met people who say it's one of their favorites. Which is bizarre to me. I don't think it worked well at all. Over time, I've found that people who read it in trade form liked it way more than people who read it in singles. That makes a little more sense to me.

Originally it wasn't an arc. It was a good deal shorter, and an over-sized story for the 50th Anniversary special. It was meant to be a done-in-one:

Peter has a science experiment go awry. A nerdy high school student on a field trip gets zapped by it. Everybody sees that kid's "origin story". When he gets his powers, he doesn't have to hide them. So he gets to do everything Peter wanted to do back when he had powers like that in high school. Peter feels responsible for what's happening to this kid-- and sees how he's becoming a bit of a jerk. So he takes the kid under his wing, trains him to be a super hero. But the kid rebels, uses his powers even more irresponsibly, people are put in immediate harm. Spidey has to save them-- and take the kid down-- a kid who has now started approaching Superman-levels and is out of Spidey's league. Spider-Man wins, uses science to take the kid's powers away, and then drops him back at his school where everyone is super-mean to him now because he really was a jerk when he did have those powers. The End.

That was what the story was supposed to be.

But then, for budget-y reasons, the size and scope of new original material that could be produced for the 50th Anniversary issue drastically changed. The Alpha story had to be shaved down to 20 to 22 pages in length. I said I couldn't fit all of that in 20 to 22 pages. The decision was made to spread the story out into a 2 or 3 issue arc, give it some room to breathe, and lean into the false tease that Spider-Man was actually getting his first official sidekick.

I made the argument that maybe we should just kill the story and come up with a new 50th anniversary angle. But time was running out. I didn't have any extra ideas that were that big or iconic at the moment. So we decided to stick with the altered plan as is. That was my biggest mistake. I should've been more assertive and killed it. That was all on me.

Before the story came out, there was already buzz about Spidey getting a side kick, how Spidey should never get a side kick, and how that new character was going to pull focus from Spidey on his 50th. Before page one even showed up in previews, the knives were out for this fictitious kid. And then he showed up and was already completely unlikable... which kinda was the point of him. In a done-in-one story where the kid gets his comeuppance, that's not a problem. But in a multi-part arc, where readers have weeks to stew about how much they hate him, and how he's clearly more powerful than Spidey, that's a huge problem.

Then, in the middle of the story, there was a new wrinkle. Sales for the 50th were huge. Good-or-bad there was a lot of buzz about Alpha. And it was decided to give him his own mini-series out of the Spider-Office. That meant that the ending of the story had to be knee-capped. Peter couldn't take Alpha's powers away completely. Which kinda defeated the purpose and intent of telling the story in the first place.

Also-- and again, this one's ALL on me-- I botched the middle chapter. Instead of making it a clean 3 issue arc, I tried to make them more like 3 done-in-ones, and made the middle chapter a Spidey/Alpha/Jackal story. That fed into the narrative that this kid was Spidey's side kick and some kind of recurring character.

Basically, I think it was a story that could've had potential if it stuck to its original format-- but then it got a little out of control when it ballooned out into a 3 issue arc and was played out over a number of months-- instead of what should have been one sitting. The blame for that is on me-- with ANY story, if you see it's not going the way you would like, you ALWAYS have the option to kill it or just-not-do-it. Same kinda thing happened to JMS on Sins Past. I should have hit the kill switch. (Marketing, altering story's length, and even the company's need to change an ending are things you have to be prepared for when working on a licensed property. That's all part of the game. And if you can't deal with stuff like that, you shouldn't be writing licensed comics. Understanding that is important. Blaming that process is pointless. You might as well be complaining about the weather. It ain't gonna help. Things happen like that, good-or-bad, all the time in comics.)
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