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COMICS|OT|October 2017- The only thing scarier than Messi's avatar are Marvels sales
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whatsinaname
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Close to finishing up Perez's WW v1 omnibus. Some great issues towards the end, especially the Mindi Mayer issue. The art is starting to get a bit dodgy though, especially the faces. Makes me wonder if he actually drew these last issues.
Is this the one that was supposed to be Culture and Star Trek and Hyperion rolled into one?
There goes my main reason to read v2 and beyond.
So many anonymous backers...
Is this the one that was supposed to be Culture and Star Trek and Hyperion rolled into one?
There goes my main reason to read v2 and beyond.
So many anonymous backers...
Beaniedude
Member
I don't know what is happening in Mister Miracle but I'm loving it.
CoolestSpot
Banned
In relation to "Alt Comics"...
Elaugaufein
Member
The 3rd guy sort of in the Background (yeah that's probably not a good thingk of the title Alt Hero cover at the bottom looks like a PoC to me and I assume that's the titular hero team , since that's usually the case for Issue #1s . Though yeah, there's certainly a disproportionate number of such on the cover of Dynamique for example.
Look at how long they stuck to "Cyclops is evil for destroying a cloud of murderous gas."
Really want to read Secret Wars 2015 as I am in the mood to settle into a big event epic.
Some reading guides highly recommend first reading the 1984 Secret Wars book and then moving into a bunch of optional stuff like Secret Wars II, then the Hickman Dark Reign stuff like Secret Warriors and FF and so on.
I currently have Hickmans Avengers/New Avengers books as well as Time Runs Out + Secret Wars, but not the earlier books in these guides. Worth nabbing all the other prior books to read first?
Some reading guides highly recommend first reading the 1984 Secret Wars book and then moving into a bunch of optional stuff like Secret Wars II, then the Hickman Dark Reign stuff like Secret Warriors and FF and so on.
I currently have Hickmans Avengers/New Avengers books as well as Time Runs Out + Secret Wars, but not the earlier books in these guides. Worth nabbing all the other prior books to read first?
Yeah. I said at the time I was done with following his stuff as it released (after the shenanigans with the Manhattan Projects miniseries). Good decision it seems like.
Not especially. Plot relevance is really just "what's a Beyonder". SW2015 has a lot of homages/allegories to the original, but they're certainly not required to understand what's going on.
Definitely Hickman's fantastic four run, secret warriors was good but I wouldnt say essential, and no on the previous secret wars events.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Marvel was always trying to convince us Scott was evil. It didn't stick because of course it didn't, you were literally trying to wipe his whole race out. Everything he did up to
killing Professor Xavier
He just became a more interesting, conflicted character as they piled crap on. There's a reason why people continue to say "Cyclops Was Right".
In relation to "Alt Comics"...
"The few good ones left". Do they not realize that none of the people best known for writing comics have abruptly changed their beliefs? That most comic creators have been left-leaning since they started?
Poodlestrike
Banned
The real question is, have these people READ a Dixon comic in the last 20 or so years?
Dude is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
Elaugaufein
Member
You're probably off by about 5 years, I think ? Just looking at his Wikipedia page and what I remember, his stuff up until about 2002 seems to be fairly well regarded. There's also a gap in his time with DC just after that, so I presume that something that happened in that period changed his style a chunk.
LordOfLore
Banned
whatsinaname
Member
I am buying a switch just to play Mario Odyssey.
I need to start making better financial decisions, that money could have gone towards so many comics...
I need to start making better financial decisions, that money could have gone towards so many comics...
BoogieWoogie
Banned
I am buying a switch just to play Mario Odyssey.
I need to start making better financial decisions, that money could have gone towards so many comics...
I would say that I would wait for a price drop but it's Nintendo.
I'll wait until Metroid Prime 4 drops.
JordanDeGroot
Member
Can't say I've read much recent Dixon stuff, but if what I read of Bane conquest is anything to go off that was bad enough
Mario Odyssey looks awesome, could play breath of the wild too if you haven't played it on wii u, I played a lot of it on wii u and thought it was pretty good, felt its a game I could have gone really deep into if I had the time, the weapons breaking every few hits thing did really annoy me though :/
Elaugaufein
Member
Sorry, I was more saying that the time Dixon has been "bad" is probably more like 15 years than 20. Not judging any of his current stuff , since I don't think I'm reading any of it.
Aizo
Banned
Ill wait for the inevitable console revision around a year out. I really want to play Odyssey and Xenoblade, though.
I'm always curious if the people who can drop thousands of dollars for a potential book or any other piece of fiction that may or may not be good
They must have a lot of faith
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Nah, even then Tony Daniel was drawing one. Yuck.
whatsinaname
Member
I am going the CL route. Switch + BOTW + 64 GB SD card for $270 or so. Hopefully I can sell it again before Christmas and get most of my money back.
LordOfLore
Banned
Killed him. Damian made a deal with the devil/Hurt to get the power to protect Gotham only for Hurt to nuke the city in the 666 timeline.
CoolestSpot
Banned
So in general I have a question I want to put out there. Do any of you feel happy Lois Lane is Superman's main love interest in all media? I always felt like Lana Lang should of been of been his true partner. Lois loves Superman as an idea, but Lana loves Clark. At least, that's how I see it.
Lois and Clark's relationship never seemed real to me for that reason.
Lois and Clark's relationship never seemed real to me for that reason.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
He wrote Robin back in 2008 or so until Dan Didio pissed him off, and it was good. Aside from a brief one-issue thing by Brandon Thomas, Robin was mostly garbage after Dixon left until the relaunch into Red Robin.
Tony Daniel is a great artist.
If it wasn't Lois I'd say it should be Wonder Woman. Don't trade civilian for civilian--go full on power couple. Only thing I actually thought was good to the N52.
Aizo
Banned
Oh. I misunderstood the question, then. I thought
Tim was asking what future Tim did to make him raze Gotham to the ground, like he psychologically messed him up. I understand.
I didnt know Conner disappeared from the DCU. I thought he just hadnt appeared yet, like a few other characters. Does this mean Doc Manhattan removed him?
LordOfLore
Banned
Probably. He was in the N52 books but never got the Conner name. That and Tim's origin has been retconned away because the books sucked.
BKatastrophe
Member
"Pull the trigger"? Oh my god these corny motherfuckers
Aaah that makes sense. What was War Games? I've heard about that event and how it's not...great...
To be fair, Steve being a jerk was a narrative pushed at the beginning of SamCap, and Cyclops was originally blamed for genocide.
JordanDeGroot
Member
Its cool, I got what you were saying, I just mentione Bane conquest as its the only Dixon series I've read thats recent and I would recommend it to no one believe me. Such a shame as he had so many great classic DC run's.
Eh, I think Lois and Clark works, but with all things its always dependant on the writer who's writing there relationship. I've always seen it as when Clark and Superman both show up in metropolis she falls for Superman straight away, but over time then falls for Clark the more time they spend together at the planet. In the end she loves both sides of him and feels like she has to chose between the two before the big reveal and she finds out there both sides of the same person which works out perfectly. I think she's always been confident and bold and headstrong but when she's with Clark he rubs off on her and she shows a kinder, caring more human side and becomes a better person. Though I think maybe I'm influenced more by watching smallville on tv when growing up and the great clark/lois relationship they had in that.
The clark and lana relationship I've always seen as a first love kind of thing, they were great for each other at the time when they first met and the feelings will always be there but theyve got older and moved on.
TetraxShards
Member
I followed it while it was coming out, and I can safely say that War Games was very bad comics.
I am buying a switch just to play Mario Odyssey.
I need to start making better financial decisions, that money could have gone towards so many comics...
I got mine this week and I love it. I cannot wait for Mario. I've had Jump Up Super Star in my head since E3.
Freeza pls understand
CoolestSpot
Banned
The next accouncement will be that they're delaying the news accouncement that they're delaying an issue.
Aizo
Banned
I'm a big TT fan, but I hated the New 52 series. Everyone seemed so... unlike themselves. I didn't read more than a volume, so I don't know what happened after that.
I didn't know that
he was never called Conner, though. He's Kon el/Superboy the whole time?
So where are
Cassie and Bart? Bart is probably in the speedforce or something, huh.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
I could never make myself read SamCap. I want a bigger focus on Sam, but him as Cap felt...wrong. Like, it felt like Marvel just did this with Bucky, so for them to head back to the well of "Cap gets replaced" was tiresome. What about Steve made him a jerk without the Hydra stuff?
And War Games was an event where
Stephanie tried to enact this plan Bruce had to shut down all the major gangs at once. But she didn't realize that the plan involved Bruce being there as his alternate persona Matches Malone. Since Matches wasn't there, the whole thing blew up into this massive war between all the villains of Gotham. By the end, Steph's attempts to stop it cost her her life. This after her basically being fake Robin because Tim had quit for some reason which escapes me, and IIRC being kicked out the Birds of Prey. It was just really shitty treatment of a great character.
DC had some bumpy moments from 2004-2008 or so, as they transitioned from the 90's era where things were still changing and evolving into bringing back all these old characters to go super retro.
LordOfLore
Banned
Cassie is probably going to show up in the future. She was the hero of one of the stories in the workshop group's issue IIRC so DC doesn't hate her or something. Bart might be back sooner than we think because the "Flash War" competition coming up in the Flash annual will see a speedster returned and it's probably not Jay.
BKatastrophe
Member
Well I wouldn't recommend SamCap anyways. At least nothing Spencer wrote. It amounts to fucking nothing. Sam as Cap was a good idea, bur sadly Al Ewing was the only one who wrote it well and his Mighty Avengers run got cut short and messed up by three events. SamCap did have a pre-Secret Wars solo that I'm told was fun.
Wow that really is super bad
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Basically, once you finish No Man's Land its probably safe to skip Batman until Morrison takes over. And everyone else's stories you can skip mostly until post-Battle of the Cowl, I'd say. With the notable exception of Tomasi/Morales' Nightwing run, which is amazing.
Elaugaufein
Member
To elaborate on that:
Tim had
quit , because his dad had found out he war Robin and basically blackmailed him with Bruce & Dick's identities. War Games changed Jack Dracks opinion on Tim being Robin and he went back. It didn't really matter much because Jack Drack died very soon thereafter during Identity Crisis (IC was published first but must have been a little earlier in continuity on account of Jack Drake dying) .
she was presented to the readers as Robin IV and had an entire month of Bat books she showed up in as Robin , before the whole thing was revealed as a cruel joke punctuated by her murder
I mean I don't really disagree because nearly all of that was erased from continuity in all but the vaguest ways but some of the Batbooks after No Man's Land were good (like Batgirl).
Freezasaurus
Member
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Last but certainly not least
http://www.multiversitycomics.com/art-feature/four-days-of-the-nycc-3/
http://www.multiversitycomics.com/art-feature/four-days-of-the-nycc-3/
JordanDeGroot
Member
Secret empire got very divided opinions probably more bad than good overall, but I actually think there was a lot to like in the sam cap series as a series on its own. I kind of liked the concept of it as sam being the natural progression to take over as cap once steve can't do it anymore but as time goes on sam realises if he's doing it he needs to do it his own way and bring his own views and beliefs to the role. For him that means being a cap with his own poliical views and opinions, a cap who would actually help the people he grew up with. In a way that raises the question of whether steve is actually in some ways a coward for not getting political and taking any sides when he was cap all those years. In the end when he goes back to falcon (which lets face it will have been had to be done for cheap marketing/money issues) its done to show that it not that sams not good enough to be cap, but americas not good enough and cant yet handle a cap with his own beliefs so he gives it up by choice. It also had some cool reinvention of classic villains like the serpent squad. Though I'm not denying it didn't have problems like capwolf lasting too long, a lot of filler issues and issues where the story didn't go anywhere and the issues with the hipster activists were pretty tone deaf.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I thought Remender did a great job with him
LordOfLore
Banned
Anyone at Multiversity going to do a JLA review? If not, here.