theprodigy
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Have you seen any esports related threads here, just like with mobile games, GAF is just totally not in touch with it at all.
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Competitive Super Smash Bros. Melee Discussion Thread
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Have you seen any esports related threads here, just like with mobile games, GAF is just totally not in touch with it at all.
it's neogaf
and the "durrrrr melee is just a bunch of glitches!" shit has been a thing since like 2004. it's never going away.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Only one is really even important. Outside of wavedashing and tech based on it, most common tech skills aren't even exploits.
It bothers me even more that people assume L canceling or dash dancing is a glitch/exploit. Both of those were explicitly programmed into the game to work the way they do though.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
legalize yo-yo glitch
Legalize black hole glitch.
This is sick.my friend got to money match amsa @ battle of bc
loud music warning
I couldnt tell you a thing about this matchup
I thought it was legal in most tourneys because Ness is such a bad character and it requires a lot of setup to pull off in bracket. At least that's what my former local TO said
lvl99 Pixel
Member
yea hes got a dope set vs chillindude too. Hes pretty good vs fast fallers.I was taking games off his DK with pikachu but he reckoned it was rough because DK is easy to spike
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
It's funny the people who usually do it will cite other fighting games and are casual as shit stream monsters in those games, at best.
fredrancour
Member
The tables didn't turn at all. It's the same judgemental mindset I had as a teenager at the concept of serious smash matches a decade ago. Only difference is now I can see the irony in how I took others playing differently from me as an insult.
Tbf looking at old Smashboards threads the community was pretty toxic back then. I thought the exact same thing and I don't necessarily think it was without merit, though really I think the biggest problem was just people on both sides doing a poor job of expressing themselves online. I remember a relevant old school Melee player (Gimpyfish) getting into arguments on GameFAQs with someone I knew who was casual and both sides had stupid af arguments.
my friend got to money match amsa @ battle of bc
loud music warning
I couldnt tell you a thing about this matchup
This video is amazing
High level Yoshi vs. DK with loud ass meme remix music with sick beats, recorded via phone in what looks likes a club (even though I know it was the BoBC2 afterparty place)
fredrancour
Member
Oh I didn't take part in forums back then. My teenage bile was pure reaction to the concept of competetive smash with no human interaction coloring things.
you completely sold me on that video and it did NOT disappoint
LucidMomentum
Member
Is it 2007 again? I'm in. Gonna watch after work.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
That Redbull gods and friends tournament sounds so convoluted. Day 2 should be good though.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Comments on reddit indicated that was the case. They said there were sponsorship issues getting some of the other players they wanted to invite.
Is anyone gonna Hax$ their controller?
Certainly an interesting proposition. Smashbox was going to conform their box to whatever TOs wanted in order to be legal, Hax opts to make every controller potentially as good as his box.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested. I have like 6 GCN controllers and never got one with a decent dashback. I understand that cheating might be an issue, but I'd rather do this than play the controller lottery again.
Certainly an interesting proposition. Smashbox was going to conform their box to whatever TOs wanted in order to be legal, Hax opts to make every controller potentially as good as his box.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested. I have like 6 GCN controllers and never got one with a decent dashback. I understand that cheating might be an issue, but I'd rather do this than play the controller lottery again.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I'd do it but I've never soldered anything and don't know anyone to do it.
And his point is a good one. Basically the quality of a controller shouldn't be factor in determining a match. And "but a lot of gamecube controllers suck and B0XX/Smashbox don't have that problem!" is a pretty poor argument.
LucidMomentum
Member
I have:
My 1st string controller (Average performance, but looks and feels great. Custom shell from Controlelr Chaos, Custom SmashProof buttons)
My 2nd string controller (Above average performance, original clear controller. Lent out to pros and people in need, my spare)
My 3rd string controller (Slightly below average performance, analog stick is a bit mushy. Original silver controller. My spare spare)
Will Hax Fucking Mod my 3rd string controller to see if I can pull it off.
Yeah I love the "Ah you should spend $200 on a controller with just the right defects so it's a "real" controller" vs. These types of mods. I mean Kadano often added different capacitors, extra silicon, etc. to help get similar results. If Hax$ is right in that all it would take is a not totally beat to hell controller and then some code, you could in theory keep the scene going for a long time with this mod.
*EDIT* Just bought the nanos, will arrive Sunday. Bought 3 in case I fuck up or in case the top Melee players in town want the mod done.
My 1st string controller (Average performance, but looks and feels great. Custom shell from Controlelr Chaos, Custom SmashProof buttons)
My 2nd string controller (Above average performance, original clear controller. Lent out to pros and people in need, my spare)
My 3rd string controller (Slightly below average performance, analog stick is a bit mushy. Original silver controller. My spare spare)
Will Hax Fucking Mod my 3rd string controller to see if I can pull it off.
Yeah I love the "Ah you should spend $200 on a controller with just the right defects so it's a "real" controller" vs. These types of mods. I mean Kadano often added different capacitors, extra silicon, etc. to help get similar results. If Hax$ is right in that all it would take is a not totally beat to hell controller and then some code, you could in theory keep the scene going for a long time with this mod.
*EDIT* Just bought the nanos, will arrive Sunday. Bought 3 in case I fuck up or in case the top Melee players in town want the mod done.
One of my homies in our scene has kinda become the "controller guy" over the past few months. Took a break from competing because he was just obsessing over every aspect of the QA and design of the controllers. I'll probably hit him up if it becomes standard, although I just started a few weeks ago. Former Sm4sher but I'm tired of that and want something new. 👍
LucidMomentum
Member
Have you had any issues with your controller since then? Someone said to add in another part that Hax$ didn't mention to prevent any issues with the controller ports, so I'm waiting for some more reports.
my friend got to money match amsa @ battle of bc
loud music warning
I couldnt tell you a thing about this matchup
Also, just a reminder that this is probably one of my favorite Smash videos of this year. It's just got everything. Memes, good Melee between low tiers, people getting into it, beers, mics clipping, the works.
Double Also, Bigger Balc photos are finally coming out and this one came out so perfect:
Khaos Kontrol
Banned
Had no idea Shroomed played Tekken. He got 13th in Tekken 7 at CEO.
lvl99 Pixel
Member
forgot this thread was a thing
momo went ham, and that ending sucked
haha
everything is memes when mojo comes to visit
momo went ham, and that ending sucked
haha
everything is memes when mojo comes to visit
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
That's awesome. If someone sold something like that I'd be all over it.
NormalFish
Banned
HBox boos always make me laugh
lvl99 Pixel
Member
hbox axe always rough to watch
hope jeff takes games though
hope jeff takes games though
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Hbox looks so different without the beard.
NormalFish
Banned
The run back #Believe #Justice
lvl99 Pixel
Member
only person im subbed to any more haha
can we just move to PAL already?
Plup got outplayed most of that set but still wins
so close to beating Hbox in that stacked ass matchup too
LucidMomentum
Member
Holy shit that's brilliant. Yeah I'll do that. Also that photo has the extra part in it to normalize the output voltages to what a normal GC controller would use.
Speaking of Brilliant, this guy made it months before Hax$ it seems.
Here's a much better guide IMO, but Hax$ image album is also pretty good for reference:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KZrORDtJBuovVAHRZjteRitBKkwibZOc7VW0PdGedEk/edit
Hax$ guide seems more "Tournament Edition" focused though, as it draws the least amount of attention, and has purely "grey-area" level updates unlike the above which has updates for things like instant Icies Desynchs.
I bought it like a year ago and while I like every iteration of Smash on some level I really didn't like how Aether felt. I couldn't find a control scheme I was happy with, and also getting the Gamecube Controller adapter to work with it was kind of a pain for me on my end for some reason (no idea why since it's always been perfect with Dolphin).
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
lvl99 Pixel
Member
Looks like we have the weekly "Why is melee" thread happening again
Will be interesting to see the overall consensus
Will be interesting to see the overall consensus
I think it's weird that there needs to be so many regularly for some reason.
Also, I legit find that exfatal dude's posts funny. The rest is just typical (for GAF Melee topics) shit but his is clearly passive aggressive trolling flame-bait that takes me back to old-school GameFAQs.
Also, I have a hunch that a lot of the recent hate comes from a Super Best Friends Play segment given the fact that they seem to have a relatively large presence of fans on GAF. (and a lot of them keep bringing up the dashback problem while not really understanding it)
Also, I legit find that exfatal dude's posts funny. The rest is just typical (for GAF Melee topics) shit but his is clearly passive aggressive trolling flame-bait that takes me back to old-school GameFAQs.
Also, I have a hunch that a lot of the recent hate comes from a Super Best Friends Play segment given the fact that they seem to have a relatively large presence of fans on GAF. (and a lot of them keep bringing up the dashback problem while not really understanding it)
Leffen's impressions on hax's memory card hack : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fR86RMgHCw
about the video...
(note: natural perfect angle = the single perfect angle on an unmodded controler)
Leffen's main problem with the angles seems to be their implementation.
With the mod as it is, there is no incentive for aiming at the natural perfect angle, as all the new (perfect) angles were added past it (further up).
With the mod, if you aim at the natural perfect angle, but miss, you'll still get a perfect angle if you overshot (as that's where all the new angles were added), but not if you undershot.
So, instead, you now aim at the new angles (aiming at the middle of the "new angles section"), so that you can both overshoot and undershoot, and still get the perfect angle.
This would be a problem with a notched controller, because it means aiming past the notch.
Basically, if you wanted to take advantage of the mod, your inputs for a long wavedash would have to slightly change, depending if the mod was turned on or off, which doesn't sound ideal.
If you wanted your inputs to remain the same, you would have to implement the mod differently, assuming that's possible?
Could you put the new (perfect) angles added by the mod, surrounding the natural perfect angle? (i.e. it would have some additional perfect angle values on either side)
You would lose the closest angles to the natural perfect angle, but you would be able to get consistent perfect wavedashes when aiming at it.
With a notched controller, you would get consistent perfect wavedashes by using the notch (unlike with the current implementation).
With that kind of implementation, you would be able to take advantage of the mod without the need of changing your inputs, no?
Would something similar be possible? would it bring problems?
about the video...
(note: natural perfect angle = the single perfect angle on an unmodded controler)
Leffen's main problem with the angles seems to be their implementation.
With the mod as it is, there is no incentive for aiming at the natural perfect angle, as all the new (perfect) angles were added past it (further up).
With the mod, if you aim at the natural perfect angle, but miss, you'll still get a perfect angle if you overshot (as that's where all the new angles were added), but not if you undershot.
So, instead, you now aim at the new angles (aiming at the middle of the "new angles section"), so that you can both overshoot and undershoot, and still get the perfect angle.
This would be a problem with a notched controller, because it means aiming past the notch.
Basically, if you wanted to take advantage of the mod, your inputs for a long wavedash would have to slightly change, depending if the mod was turned on or off, which doesn't sound ideal.
If you wanted your inputs to remain the same, you would have to implement the mod differently, assuming that's possible?
Could you put the new (perfect) angles added by the mod, surrounding the natural perfect angle? (i.e. it would have some additional perfect angle values on either side)
You would lose the closest angles to the natural perfect angle, but you would be able to get consistent perfect wavedashes when aiming at it.
With a notched controller, you would get consistent perfect wavedashes by using the notch (unlike with the current implementation).
With that kind of implementation, you would be able to take advantage of the mod without the need of changing your inputs, no?
Would something similar be possible? would it bring problems?
I was trawling smashvods earlier, and I think I found my new favorite shitty melee set
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEFLBd_5Xwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEFLBd_5Xwg
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
That feel when I watch an uploaded set with players that have techskill notably worse than mine.
So many missed opportunities for that Fox. Did he shine once in game one?
So many missed opportunities for that Fox. Did he shine once in game one?