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Eskiboy

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Peanut better sandwich is actually okay ?


I'll change up my snacks. I'll use rice cakes or dairy free yogurt and some fruit. I never eat chocolate or any sugar snacks anymore.

I'm very consistent with my workouts, i never skip workouts unless it's Christmas or i'm sick/ill. I seem to be able to eat a wider amount of foods now rather than stick to chicken and brown rice all the time.

I don't calorie count as hard as some people, i just make sure i keep up with my workouts and only have a cheat meal once every two weeks.
 

AlphaDump

Gold Member
drink water, avoid bad carbs and sugar. Eat a hand full of almonds or wheat thins to take the edge off.

look into "super foods" to tailor your diet to what kind of output you want to optimize, i.e. Have a test and need to optimize studying vs going on a hike and need energy.

Also, know good sugar/carbs/fat vs. bad

And being active is key.
 

brawly

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At your weight eat whatever you want as long as you're ~500kcal under your daily needs. Obviously only eating junk isn't healthy either, your body needs a bit more than that. But to lose weight it really is calories in vs. calories out. Do a cheat day once a week or when you feel you've hit a barrier.

Starving yourself at that weight is nonsense. You can enjoy your favorite foods while losing weight.
 

Slaythe

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At your weight eat whatever you want as long as you're ~500kcal under your daily needs. Obviously only eating junk isn't healthy either, your body needs a bit more than that. But to lose weight it really is calories in vs. calories out. Do a cheat day once a week or when you feel you've hit a barrier.

Starving yourself at that weight is nonsense. You can enjoy your favorite foods while losing weight.

I am "lucky" that I actually didn't get fatter given how BAD I was eating. Full pizzas, several times a week etc...

I just want to lose the extra fat I have. That starvation would have probably lasted what, 2 months? That should have been enough to lose what I needed to lose.

But according to people here, I should just try to gain muscles while doing sports.And that should help getting rid of the extra fat, while not making me dramatically lose weight.

And some other guy said I should still do some cardio.

I guess what has been said, is, if i am not eating much in order to be low on calories, I should not push cardio ? If i eat enough I can go full cardio.

Or something. It's confusing !
 

Gutek

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I am "lucky" that I actually didn't get fatter given how BAD I was eating. Full pizzas, several times a week etc...

I just want to lose the extra fat I have. That starvation would have probably lasted what, 2 months? That should have been enough to lose what I needed to lose.

But according to people here, I should just try to gain muscles while doing sports.And that should help getting rid of the extra fat, while not making me dramatically lose weight.

And some other guy said I should still do some cardio.

I guess what has been said, is, if i am not eating much in order to be low on calories, I should not push cardio ? If i eat enough I can go full cardio.

Or something. It's confusing !

Download the myfitness pal app and start logging food and exercise. Set a goal in the app and work towards it. This will make everything you want to know easy to understand.
 

javac

Member
Similar situation as OP. Only drink water now and I barely eat anything all day just cereal in the morning and a meal in the afternoon. I'm probably doing more harm than good but I'm just so fed up with my body that I wish that I could brute force it. Skinny arms, decent legs, fat in lower belly but above that I can feel my rib-cage to the point that I feel uncomfortable when on my back. I'm just all over the place man. I haven't weighed myself in years, I should probably change that so I know if I'm making progress :p but of course looking at my body, I know that I have work to be done and won't be satisfied until I'm as perfect as I can be. I don't want to build muscle, I just want to be skinny :/
 
I never understood what is bad: bread, potatoes or rice? Aren't they all the same? Can I eat as much as I want of those or are they bad for my body? I eat a lot or bread and rice...
 

Tigel

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Just as a note: you can't outwork a bad diet. Just by changing what you eat you could lose a lot of weight

I never understood what is bad: bread, potatoes or rice? Aren't they all the same? Can I eat as much as I want of those or are they bad for my body? I eat a lot or bread and rice...

They are not bad per se. Depends how much you eat or why you are eating them (if you're running a 80K trail run, you'll NEED your potatoes. But for every day life, I would avoid them. Way too much carbs.)

White bread is to avoid as it's pretty much all sugar and nofiber. Prefer brown bread with grains. Same thing for rice: perfer brown rice and avoid wite.
 
I am "lucky" that I actually didn't get fatter given how BAD I was eating. Full pizzas, several times a week etc...

I just want to lose the extra fat I have. That starvation would have probably lasted what, 2 months? That should have been enough to lose what I needed to lose.

But according to people here, I should just try to gain muscles while doing sports.And that should help getting rid of the extra fat, while not making me dramatically lose weight.

And some other guy said I should still do some cardio.

I guess what has been said, is, if i am not eating much in order to be low on calories, I should not push cardio ? If i eat enough I can go full cardio.

Or something. It's confusing !

It's confusing because there are so many "ways" you can lose weight. What it comes down to is taking in (eating) less calories than you expend. You can make that happen by being a slouch all day and eating very little (the actual calorie numbers will depend on your stats) or you can work out (either lifting or cardio) and eat a bit more.

Around 2 pounds of weight loss per week is a good goal to aim for. If you're not seeing that amount of loss then change your tactics, meaning reduce your calories more or be more active. If you are seeing the weight loss you want then fuck what anyone says, you're doing the right thing.

I personally advocate being very meticulous with monitoring my intake and I use it to mange the number on the scale dropping. I also lift and run because I enjoy both and I want to be better at both. The important part to me is really the diet though, its so much easier to just not eat a couple hundred calories then try to work it off.
 
I can't run sadly, due to a back problem that just kills me if I run.

But yeah I only drink water and I can walk lots :) .

Avoid pasta ?

What about whole meat pastas ? I thought those were fine.
Carbs are carbs, don't buy into the whole wholemeal vs white carbs

They have the same negative affect on trying to lose weight

Frankly if you are having pasta, have it white. Just limit it
 

brawly

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I am "lucky" that I actually didn't get fatter given how BAD I was eating. Full pizzas, several times a week etc...

I just want to lose the extra fat I have. That starvation would have probably lasted what, 2 months? That should have been enough to lose what I needed to lose.

But according to people here, I should just try to gain muscles while doing sports.And that should help getting rid of the extra fat, while not making me dramatically lose weight.

And some other guy said I should still do some cardio.

I guess what has been said, is, if i am not eating much in order to be low on calories, I should not push cardio ? If i eat enough I can go full cardio.

Or something. It's confusing !


You probably have a good metabolism, so you won the lottery in that department (though that can also bite you in the ass if you want to bulk)

Whether you do cardio or not is up to you. It is good for your heart, mind and you can eat a bit more. I'd recommend no cardio at all on workout days (just a little warm up before) and hit the weights 3 times a week, full body workout. If you're a newcomer you will burn fat and build muscles at the same time. If you really want to do cardio do it on off days.


I never understood what is bad: bread, potatoes or rice? Aren't they all the same? Can I eat as much as I want of those or are they bad for my body? I eat a lot or bread and rice...

Worst of all is sugar. But even worse is a caloric surplus. You can eat white bread if you can keep your caloric deficit. Look on the back of bag:
-Ideal: low carbs and low sugar (meat for example)
-okay: high carbs and low sugar (brown pasta, whole wheat bread) -> these are bulking sources
-worst: high carbs and high sugar (chocolate, unfortunately)

But again, calories in vs. calories out is king
 
I never understood what is bad: bread, potatoes or rice? Aren't they all the same? Can I eat as much as I want of those or are they bad for my body? I eat a lot or bread and rice...
Look for the high carb low fat vegan community on YouTube. Specially Freelee and Durianrider. Also "drewlikesrice".

You can eat all those delicious carbs coming from rice, pasta and potatoes.
 
I've been doing this myself recently. Over the past few months for example, I've only really been drinking water, with maybe a glass or half a glass of juice a day with my dinner. This wasn't intentionally, I just started doing it and realised it wasn't so bad.

It's okay to have junk food, maybe once a week, but the trick is to move around a lot. I've been trying to get at least half an hour of jogging in everyday, although this week I've been quite busy. Back to it tomorrow though. Definitely feeling an improvement and while my diet isn't super duper healthy atm, it's getting there. Going through a shit load of fresh vegetables a week and minimal processed food.

White bread is to avoid as it's pretty much all sugar and nofiber. Prefer brown bread with grains. Same thing for rice: perfer brown rice and avoid wite.

I go through a lot of rice every week, but I tend to boil/wash out as much of the starch as possible then steam it in a pot. Should I still just avoid it? I don't get how Asian countries live off the stuff and they have fairly low levels of obesity.
 

Violet_0

Banned
No cardio!! Anything endurance based on diet is highly catabolic. Hit the WEIGHTS, pump that IRON! :)

I got a question regarding diet/workout - I'm doing Keto right now and I wanted to start running/swimming again soon. Would you guys actually recommend against it?
 
No cardio!! Anything endurance based on diet is highly catabolic. Hit the WEIGHTS, pump that IRON! :)
Bullshit

Maybe if you're looking purely for aesthetics, but there is a ton to be gained from cardio workouts. Doesn't have to be specifically running. Boxing, swimming, yoga, body weight conditioning are all fantastic for lowering weight, improving flexibility, movement, strength, general health p
 
I go through a lot of rice every week, but I tend to boil/wash out as much of the starch as possible then steam it in a pot. Should I still just avoid it? I don't get how Asian countries live off the stuff and they have fairly low levels of obesity.

Avoid all animal products and fat (oil, nuts, avocado, etc) and you're good. Done.
 

oti

Banned
Say Nein to 1000 calories. You have to eat more than that.

About pasta: Have you tried zucchini pasta? It's obviously not the same thing but the sauce makes the dish anyway (for me).
 

LosDaddie

Banned
I'm confused about the same thing. I eat McDonald's a lot, like many times a week, and I am in better shape then almost everyone I know. My cholesterol levels are perfect and I feel very good. Everyone always gives me a hard time about it and to be honest it really bothers me because if I like it, I feel and look healthy and according to my doctor everything is good. I go to the gym every day and go swimming regularly. Is this something I should be truly concerned about? I'm 6' and 160 pounds and have very little body fat.

Your intense exercise schedule makes up for a lot of it. Plus genetics.

When I was in my 20s, I never had a problem staying fit. My diet was horrible, and yet I was still able to maintain a muscular body fairly easy. Now that I'm in my 30s with the family and a career, I have to watch my diet far more than I ever have before.

Diets and lifestyle are not, and will never be, a one-size-fits-all scenario
 

Gilby

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No, guys who just stick purely to a weights routine are unathletic as fuck

Wut.

That's like saying that people that only run, or rock climb, or bike are in bad shape. There's nothing stopping a person who uses only weights from being in good shape.
 
A couple of things OP.

If you like spaghetti find the box that says "100% whole grain". Thats just fine to eat and i cant even tell the difference. Its a great source of good carbs, protein, and fiber.

Also 1000 calories is not enough, i know you are seeing great results on the scale, but what you arent seeing is all the muscle mass you are losing. You also probably arent getting the vitamins, fiber, and protein you need to be healthy.

You need to find out how many calories you need to maintain your weight, im 6'0 ft 180 and i need about 2500 calories a day to maintain my current weight, if i wanted to cut fat, all i would have to do is drop to 2300 and eventually i would get to where i wanted to be. It wouldnt happen overnight, but its the best way to do it without starving myself and losing lean mass.

I would also highly recommend some weight resistance training 3 days a week, it will help you maintain your muscle mass and burn some extra calories. (you dont have to do cardio if it hurts your back).
 

Gilby

Member
Cardio is essential.

And when does weightlifting become cardio? At 15 reps? At 6 sets? At 2 hours in the gym?

It's sort of an arbitrary line.

I'm not saying someone shouldn't do cardio to get in shape, but I would never call someone who takes part in an intense lifting routine in poor health. There's more ways to work the cardiovascular system than running.
 

Gilby

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A couple of things OP.

If you like spaghetti find the box that says "100% whole grain". Thats just fine to eat and i cant even tell the difference. Its a great source of good carbs, protein, and fiber
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Whole grain is better than refined, but it's only slightly better. I wouldn't call pasta a good source of protein, the amount of carbs you would need to eat just to get a decent amount would be crazy.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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People will tell you that calories in vs. calories out is the only thing that matters, but they are completely wrong. That's not to say you can't (or won't) lose weight by dramatically reducing calories. It's just that not all food is used for energy. Your body uses what you eat for a wide variety of purposes, so you need to make sure you're getting enough protein and fat from quality sources in order to survive and thrive.

Avoid all animal products and fat (oil, nuts, avocado, etc) and you're good. Done.

Fuck, you learned nothing from that last thread. You will lose your mind and your body will break down if you avoid fat. You're going to get dementia if that's what you're actually doing.

Look for the high carb low fat vegan community on YouTube. Specially Freelee and Durianrider. Also "drewlikesrice".

You can eat all those delicious carbs coming from rice, pasta and potatoes.

Holy shit... maybe you already are demented. Did you actually, seriously, recommend DURIANRIDER in earnest? This is hilarious.
 

Eskiboy

Member
I wouldn't hate on a vegan diet. I tried it for a good while and saw amazing results. I enjoy things like chicken and fish too much to commit to being vegan. If done right, a vegan diet is probably one of the best ways to go. Just make use you look into getting those vitamins (B12) that you miss from not eating meat protein, but you can easily get things like B12 from almond milk and coconut milk.
 

Slaythe

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People will tell you that calories in vs. calories out is the only thing that matters, but they are completely wrong. That's not to say you can't (or won't) lose weight by dramatically reducing calories. It's just that not all food is used for energy. Your body uses what you eat for a wide variety of purposes, so you need to make sure you're getting enough protein and fat from quality sources in order to survive and thrive.


Do you have examples of what you call quality sources ?

Here is what I have in mind for now :

Days when I work out :

breakfast : 2 scrambled eggs, natural, and a banana, as breakfast.

lunch: Two small sandwiches with thin turkey meat and whole meat bread, salad, pickle, maybe a thin cheese slice. An apple.

diner : Brown Rice or whole wheat pasta + carrots(or vegetables) and chicken white meat (not the fat).
Only drink Water and nothing else, no soda, sugary drinks, beer, tea etc..

Is that too much ? Not enough ?

The days I don't work out, I take out the sandwiches and eat just in the evening. I am looking for another breakfast though, no idea yet.

I can work out every two days, with my schedule, I can't do it everyday sadly.

edit : I guess I should find some place for Fish somewhere, or alternate with chicken once in a while.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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Do you have examples of what you call quality sources ?

Here is what I have in mind for now :

Days when I work out :

breakfast : 2 scrambled eggs, natural, and a banana, as breakfast.

lunch: Two small sandwiches with thin turkey meat and whole meat bread, salad, pickle, maybe a thin cheese slice. An apple.

diner : Brown Rice or whole wheat pasta + carrots(or vegetables) and chicken white meat (not the fat).
Only drink Water and nothing else, no soda, sugary drinks, beer, tea etc..

Is that too much ? Not enough ?

The days I don't work out, I take out the sandwiches and eat just in the evening. I am looking for another breakfast though, no idea yet.

I can work out every two days, with my schedule, I can't do it everyday sadly.

edit : I guess I should find some place for Fish somewhere, or alternate with chicken once in a while.

Sounds like you're avoiding junk for the most part, so that's good. Avoiding the fat on chicken is totally unnecessary, though. There's nothing wrong with fat, especially if it's from a good whole source like chicken.
 

Eskiboy

Member
edit : I guess I should find some place for Fish somewhere, or alternate with chicken once in a while.

If i get sick of chicken/fish, i like to mix it up and just slam a whole tin of chickpeas with some rice and broccoli. Use some spices on the chickpeas and make a curried chickpea type dish. Finding a few different vegetable types really help switch things up too. Peppers, eggplant, broccoli cabbage etc.

It's all about trying to mix it up. To lose the weight i did, i ate nothing but chicken, brown rice and broccoli for 1-1/2 years. I was pre diabetic and massively over weight, i needed to change and quick. I'm the sort of person that can eat the same meal back to back, some people like to mix it up.
 
Ignore the jargon and the marketing BS.

Stop eating added sugar. Probably the most effective and clear step you can take.
I see you've already started by knocking out soda and yogurts.

Next step, drink only water.

A further step could be, stop eating processed foods completely. I know some people get irritable by even mentioning that, but it's a clear enough rule that will quickly have positive results. Buy whole foods with minimal processing.

And to reiterate, stop eating added sugar.
You don't need deserts. There is no good function to a desert that you can't get by chewing it up and spitting it out. Eat fruits instead of candy, chocolate, cookies, icecream, etc. as nice as it feels to eat something like that, it's not necessary, and every misstep is a setback on your mission.

Good luck!
 

Slaythe

Member
That sounds good ! It's pretty much what I do already.

As for fruits, are bananas and apples okay ? I read that fruit juice is actually awful, so I'm talking about the fruits. :)

They're my sugar fix. I eat one of them per meal. Banana in the morning and apple as "dessert".
 
That sounds good ! It's pretty much what I do already.

As for fruits, are bananas and apples okay ? I read that fruit juice is actually awful, so I'm talking about the fruits. :)

They're my sugar fix. I eat one of them per meal. Banana in the morning and apple as "dessert".

Fruit juice is on a whole different level than fruit. Fruit juice is essentially uncarbonated soda. Fruits do have a good amount of sugar, but they have a whole lot of fiber along with it. They do count towards your calories like everything else though.
 

cm osi

Member
I can give up pizza easily, but pastas ?!

That sounds tough. As long as I'm under 1000 calories, is it that bad to eat pastas once or twice a week, if they're not refined cards ? (whole wheat)

Same thing for whole grain rice ?

under 1000? do you want to starve? you usually need 2000 for a day, less if you want to lose weight but not that low

182 cm x 75 kg is perfectly fine to me, you don't need to lose weight. you can just start to gain muscle (and lose fat meanwhile) without doind diet
 

Lombax

Banned
Hi !

So I recently started to watch what I eat.

I got rid of mcdonalds, pizza, sugary drinks, and yogurts.

Needless to say it's already a gigantic improvement, I feel better and look much better.

BUT, I get really confused about calories intake and "fat per gram" ...

From what I understand, basically, what matters to watch your weight, is the calories intake.

What the food is made of, is what will determine if you feel "full", if you have enough energy, if you're not hungry later, and if it has overall good effects on your health (heart etc...), but has no incidence on your actual weight if you are matching your calories intake (whether you want to lose weight or maintain it).

Am I completely wrong ?

Thanks for helping me figuring it out !

Basically I want to lose a bit of weight, before hitting the gym because I don't want fat and muscle to stack (my body does that).

Hi OP this is Lombax's wife a registered Family Nurse Practitioner. First of all, congrats on making the decision to change up your diet and striving for a healthy lifestyle. The fast food is going to make a huge difference in itself. My husband and I have actually been making some major changes in our own diets over the last 3 months or so and some of what I've learned has been eye-opening and actually goes against the grain of what is generally accepted as what is healthy. Some major misconceptions out there:

-Fats are bad. Ok, there's a lot of history behind this, but basically in the 1950-60s, there were two trains of thought: either fat was the bad guy or sugars were. Sugar won, fat lost. And I'll go into the sugar thing in my next point, but as for the fat, this was blamed as one of the major reasons we get fat... but what is not publicly clear, is that this was based on faulty studies that were biased by the researchers conducting them. Think about it like this.... humans have been eating fats (particularly saturated fats) for hundreds of thousands of years. Our bodies know how to process them. What are bodies are confused about are the new seed and plant based fats (or the even more foreign trans fats). Think about it... did our ancestors squeeze a bunch of soybeans to get the oil from them to cook with? Basically, what I learned, is that fats found in nature are what are bodies need. They are hugely important. Fats are demonized, but without them, we will become depressed and infertile (our hormones need fat). Our brains are made of fat. Without fat, our thoughts become sluggish. I'm not concerned about my cholesterol going up for a variety of reasons (which I won't get into here), but if you do have concerns, have your practitioner check your lipid density size... the total cholesterol, HDL, and LDL don't tell you squat about your true health. Do watch out for high triglycerides, though. A great book that goes into this is The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet by Nina Teicholz. I have been getting full fat dairy (raw, yea NH!), butter and meats for the last 3 months. I haven't drop dead from a heart attack. I've lost 2 dress sizes. And I have more energy then ever before.

-Sugars. Ok this is a biggie. When I say sugar, I don't simply mean table sugar, but all the foods that turn into sugar in your body. This is the glycemic index. Basically, if what you eat makes your blood sugar go crazy high, you want to avoid it. The goal is to keep a nice stable blood sugar and you will not only avoid the crazy energy spikes, but also the intense feeling of "I have to eat something now or I'm going to kill someone" feeling. I call this the "Hangry" feeling. So, what foods do this? Mostly carbohydrates. Sorry to all the pasta, bagel, bread, white potato, rice, and cereal lovers out there, but these foods all make your blood sugar rocket up. And once this happens, unless your energy output can somehow burn this (and we're talking marathon running here), your body will protect itself by storing the sugar as fat. Now, I'm not anti-carb. Fruits and veggies are carbs (though have lowered amounts). Another great book that I read about this is Wheat Belly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight, and Find Your Path Back to Health by William Davis. Fun fact on "healthy" whole grain toast: 2 slices actually raise your blood sugar faster and higher than a snickers bar. Seriously.

-A calorie is not a calorie: Sorry to say, but calorie in doesn't equal calorie out. When I found this out, I was like "What???? Of course it is, that's just basic math, right? Nope. Let me tell you a true story. My mom and I walked across England in 2 weeks last summer. 200 miles in 14 days, non-stop, averaging about 15 miles a day. Guess how much weight I lost? None. Not a single pound. Guess what I ate? Well, oatmeal or some eggs with toast in the mornings (maybe some fruit or yogurt). During the day, we never really stopped for lunch, but instead ate mixed nuts, crackers, cheese... typical trail food. Then at night we would have a nice meal in a local tavern. It really wasn't crazy. So, you must be like, well, you must have had a nice slow meander through the countryside if you didn't loose anything... no major effort, right? Nope... we walked at a pretty good clip and if you know England, you know that there are many, many hills and mountains. Plus we each carried a 10-20lb pack the whole day. Conservatively , we probably burned between 2500-3000 calories/day. And the average woman needs about 1200 calories just to live. So you figure we burned around 4000-5000 calories (walking and basic living) per day minus around 2000 for food, giving us a minimum 2000 cal/day deficit. So if one were to assume that it takes around a 3500 calories deficit to loose a pound of fat, we would have been 1 pound gone every two days, or about 7 for the trip. Didn't happen. Why? A fascinating book on this is The Calorie Myth by Jonathon Bailor. He talks about how your body weight set point is actually what controls your weight. And how to change it.

Sorry about the length of this post, I could probably go on for hours about this. Essentially, what I've been doing is following a more primal/paleo diet and using both strength and high intensity interval training to get me going in the right direction. I've been trying to focus on the quality of my food (from locally sourced produce and animals from local farms that are humanely raised and then humanely butchered (really important if you eat animal fat to do this, as conventionally raised animals have many toxins and undesired hormones stored in their fat). It is a bit more expensive, but I feel better, look better, and will be living a healthier life. I really can't put a price on that.

And please, please don't worry about what other people think of you at the gym. Who cares what anyone else does? And we all have a layer of fat under our skin (subcutaneous fat). This is just a part of being human. Sure, some of us have more than others, but we all have it. Just put on your favorite music (or podcast,) and get your groove on. Personally, nothing makes me happier than going outside for a long walk. I don't bother with an expensive gym membership either... a pair of sneakers, some free weights, and a good hill to sprint up are all I need to get in a superb work-out. Good luck with everything...


-By the way, if you are into podcasts, one of my favorites is "Fat Burning Man". Check it out, I think you'll find it really inspirational!
 

maven

Member
Everyone has an opinion on the topic. A lot of them are mutually exclusive of other opinions. Therefore, you can assume that there are multiple ways to lose / gain weight and or muscle. You have to find what works for you. Whatever you do, try to look at it as a long term lifestyle change. A diet that you can only tolerate for a few weeks or months will have no benefit in the long term.

Here's my two cents.

Your brain and body need energy to function. You get that energy from food. The way your body deals with the different types of food you eat is complex, and far more complicated than energy in / energy out etc.

If you want to put on muscle, you need to put your muscles under stress, which causes an adaptive response (stronger muscles). You also need to eat enough protein to provide building blocks for your body to make new muscle tissue. There's plenty of arguments about how many sets and reps, how much protein blah blah blah. That's mostly semantics. Lift weights, bodyweight exercises, yoga, wrestling, rock climbing. Whatever. The muscles you stress will get stronger. If you want huge muscles, lift heavy stuff and eat well.

Losing fat is a (mostly) separate process. Fat is surplus energy that you have eaten that has been stored for future use. If you don't eat (or eat enough), you will lose fat, but that isn't healthy because you also break down muscle tissue. Exercising will not make you lose fat.

So here comes the controversial part. If you live in a western country, and have issues with fat that you can't lose, you almost certainly have an element of insulin resistance. This is complicated, but basically involves a loss of sensitivity to insulin and is linked to metabolic syndrome (bad). This is why some people can eat shit every day and not get fat. They won the genetic lottery and don't become insulin resistant.

This can be reset by eliminating carbohydrate from the diet for a time, and carbs can then be judiciously reintroduced once your insulin resistance has improved. Contrary to popular opinion, you do not need to eat any carbohydrate to stay alive. Fat and protein are a different story.

My advice would be to try a very low carbohydrate diet for 4 weeks (less than 10-20g per day). Eat mostly non starchy vegetables and fibre (no potato, corn, rice, pasta, bread etc). Plenty of healthy monounsaturated and saturated fat (fish, grass fed meat, cream, avocado, butter, nuts, coconut oil), no monounsaturated fats (vegetable oils, margarine), a moderate amount of protein (eggs, meat), low sugar fruit (berries, melon) and NO sugar or refined carbohydrate (anything out of a packet, sugar, flour, candy, sauces etc). Essentially lots of fresh meat and veg.

You will feel like shit for a week as you adapt to burning fat for energy instead of carbs (this is essentially a ketogenic diet or "keto"). It's hard. Don't bother counting calories. Fuck that. It doesn't matter if you're eating the right stuff. If you're anything like me, after a week you'll feel like a million bucks and weight will just fall off.

There's a keto thread on gaf, as well as /r. There are similarities with other diets like paleo or primal. Again, this is what works for me. Based on what I've read, it's likely to work for you, but you have to find your own path and figure out what you can sustain for the long term.

Good luck :)
 
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