Their failure lies in their marketing of the console. If they marketed it better (better console name, more playable kiosk throughout retail chains/gamestop chains with new demos every once in a while, more tv ads etc.) it would probably be doing much more decent right now. If they don't bother with marketing then no one's going to bother with the Wii U.
Could this be a "breakout" Holiday season for the Wii-U?
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Their failure lies in their marketing of the console. If they marketed it better (better console name, more playable kiosk throughout retail chains/gamestop chains with new demos every once in a while, more tv ads etc.) it would probably be doing much more decent right now. If they don't bother with marketing then no one's going to bother with the Wii U.
"Initial sales"? So you have decided to put some sort of time limit on how long a system can sell in order for it to "count" so that you can push the idea that nobody bought a PS3. Ironic then that a person who values initial sales so much, yet wants people to give the failing Wii U more time and not judge it yet, and gets upset that people call the Wii U "dead".
I know what you are trying to do here, its blatantly obvious, you really love Nintendo, i have no problem with that. And i do admire your passion for Nintendo, but its evident to me that your "arguments" and predictions are based upon what you want to happen, not what realistically will happen.
prankster101
Banned
Explain that to the 9year old kid who spazzed out when his parents bought him GTA V.
The only Nintendo franchise kids spaz out over is Pokemon. On handhelds. Never for consoles.
velvet_nitemare
Member
They were price gouging at launch. They stated they priced it at $250 based on E3 reactions. They were making a sizeable profit on the hardware AT LAUNCH. Reread my post, and actually respond to it and not deflect.
Neff
Member
There sure are a lot of individuals in this thread refusing to believe that people like and play and buy Nintendo games.
Wii U has all but ground to a halt since launch due to a catastrophic dearth of software and an unattractive price point, but these are no longer strikes against the system. It is perceptibly crossing the threshold of consumer disdain to becoming a valid entertainment investment.
Wii U has all but ground to a halt since launch due to a catastrophic dearth of software and an unattractive price point, but these are no longer strikes against the system. It is perceptibly crossing the threshold of consumer disdain to becoming a valid entertainment investment.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
No chance in hell.
They may have a shot if there is a huge drought of games for the PS4 and Xbone
They may have a shot if there is a huge drought of games for the PS4 and Xbone
Yeah it's the only one. The latest Nintendo game on the news for good sales is always the only one.
Metallix87
Member
What I would want to happen is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is the same people trying to push the idea that Wii U is already dead tried to do the same for 3DS. I'm not expecting the same exact recovery, but I do think Wii U will recover enough this Holiday season to do well.
Metallix87
Member
I would never say the PS3 was dead. It was suffering a similar situation, though, and while it took a while, Sony was able to salvage the system.
prankster101
Banned
Watch Dogs has been delayed. Which might be enough for some people. But that will only delay the inevitable by a few months.
The only game that has any chance of turning the tide is Mario Kart. If that game doesn't shift Wii U (which needs to be drastically lowered in price anyway), then nothing will.
prankster101
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Pokemon is the only game franchise Nintendo has that is able to compete against the likes of GTA and COD.
prankster101
Banned
Yeah, why does this always happen?
In what world Pokémon is competing against GTA and COD? If you're talking about their most sold games try Wii Sports, Mario, Nintendogs and Wii Play.
Your reply doesn't suggest that you 'couldn't care less'. The tone of your reply seems to suggest it bothers you quite a bit.
This.
prankster101
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I don't care about the point itself but it was quite something that from the whole post I made that is the thing you chose to address.
Porcile
Member
I think the damage is done as far as it being a mega-hit . It had the worst possible launch buzz which more than lack of games hurt the system in the months following release. Plenty of successful consoles had awful post-launch droughts. The OS issues although totally blown out of proportion were a bit of a death knell really. It stopped people
wanting to turn on the system and made people think twice about buying it.
Make no mistake, if XB1 and PS4 OS's work terrible on launch day they'll suffer too. The front-end of a system is really important these days. Wii U was obviously rushed for Christmas, when in hindsight, delaying it's release to iron out the worst of the kinks would've proven a better course of action.
wanting to turn on the system and made people think twice about buying it.
Make no mistake, if XB1 and PS4 OS's work terrible on launch day they'll suffer too. The front-end of a system is really important these days. Wii U was obviously rushed for Christmas, when in hindsight, delaying it's release to iron out the worst of the kinks would've proven a better course of action.
prankster101
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This is the only thing they can do... How else will they shift units?
The XBone and PS4 might suffer due to the Watch Dogs delay, but people WILL jump on board that gravy train. People will wait 5 months so as to have a justifiable reason to own a proper next gen console.
If one (again) compares the Wii U to the DC, the DC also had a massive headstart before the release of the PS2. People held out for the PS2, and people will again hold out for the PS4.
Why are you telling me this? I wrote the original reply to your post. The WiiU isn't 'next gen' to anyone but those looking for loopholes they can drive an flatbed lorry through.
You used a swear word in your initial reply to me. I didn't. That didn't suggest you 'couldn't care less' about the issue.
Sounds like you all riled up son.
Nealand Liquor
Member
Insane as it maybe, it isn't selling at all at $299 or even $250. If Nintendo wants it in people's homes they have to compete with the ps360's in the market, not ps4/1's. Unless they do something dramatic they're going to move a handful of consoles then back to the nothingness it currently enjoys.
Either firesale the thing to get into people's homes, or be done with it. Those are the options.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
How similar? I don't think it bombed in all markets. It did well in Europe, and started off the new year in the US averaging a little over 125K through March. It bottomed out at 82K in NA for April and May, before averaging about 125K June-October. 466K in November and 797K December. It also tallied up over 1.2 million for the 2007 year in Japan.
So you're either saying the market was cleaved clean in half from 2007-2013 or those November/Dec numbers will be large enough to offset any 'gain' the PS3 had on it in all three territories
Wait why are you telling me this?
Metallix87
Member
I think the Wii U numbers will be larger, but not necessarily enough to offset it. I think the problem is Nintendo lost some consumers to mobile devices and tablets.
The Wii U is in the same generation as PS4 and Xbox One. Technically PS4 and Xbone are current generation since the Wii U started the 8th generation. 'next gen' is just a buzzword without much thought put into it. Wii U was the 'next gen' of Nintendo consoles. The PS4 is the 'next gen' of Sony consoles. Also, all consoles cease to be 'next gen' once they launch.
I think saying his description was 'egregious' is a bit of an overreaction.
Yeah I think they already ruled out Link.
prankster101
Banned
http://www.examiner.com/article/rum...initive-version-of-watch-dogs?cid=db_articles
In terms of time-frame, the Wii U is next gen. In terms of tech, it's current gen.
Wii U: current gen hardware at next gen prices.
polyh3dron
Banned
It sure could.
Blackberry phones could come back to be the top phone in the world too.
Blackberry phones could come back to be the top phone in the world too.
But what are these tech gens? Like GPU generations? Because if that's the case then PS4/XBONE are both already from a generation long pass.
DrForester
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While I don't see the Wii U doing mad numbers, the fact that Microsoft seems to be ignoring that casual market they picked up with Kinect with the XBone lineup certainly does nothing to hurt Nintendo.
prankster101
Banned
You are funny. And smart too. More please...
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
People certainly did buy the PS2. Also iirc PS3 is outselling the WiiU when you look at launches despite being 599 lol. Just adds more to my point.
Your jumping from initial to lifetime, thats why your getting called out for spinning. You were talking about launch ps3 sales (saying people didn't buy it) so the first part of this post is reasonable. However is it not true that PS3 launch sales > WiiU launch sales? Yet you ignore this and look for a turn around.
WiiU was also a system that people didn't buy (since this was how you described the ps3 launch).
The 3DS even at its bleakest moments had a far far far brighter future than the WiiU has right now.
The key word there being 'technically'. It says it all. I get what you are saying but it's nothing more than a loophole. People always describe the WiiU as 'next gen' and then have to add in caveats.
I'd say 99% of the gaming public wouldn't describe the WiiU as a 'next gen' system but once you start explaining technicalities then I'm sure they would see your point.
And I used the word 'egregious' playfully and it clearly struck a cord with him.
Just go walk if off.
You'll feel better.
prag16
Banned
The concept of "gouging" does NOT apply to luxury items. Let's not be overly dramatic.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
LemonPartier
Neo Member
Russian Olympic officials require that Birdo not be allowed to compete.
There is nothing in the PS4 or XB1 library that is a must have at launch, but the Wii U is finally accumulating enough games that I'm interested in so I will be purchasing a Wii U this Christmas and holding off on a PS4 until the library grows a bit. I have no intention of buying a XB1.
Wii U Console
Super Mario 3d World
Pikmin 3
Wind Waker HD
Wonderful 101
Monster Hunter (may pass on this due to the fact I'm irritated at Capcom for the way they iterate on the series)
Nintendoland
Wii U Console
Super Mario 3d World
Pikmin 3
Wind Waker HD
Wonderful 101
Monster Hunter (may pass on this due to the fact I'm irritated at Capcom for the way they iterate on the series)
Nintendoland
In terms of common sense, this is nonsense.
It's good that we have people here that are invested in different areas. Linguistic analysis of "next-gen" being one of those things.
What I really meant to say is that it is compeletely irrelevant to my point whether you want to affiliate word next-gen with Wii U or not. It is just how I chose to refer the eight generation of consoles (Vita, 3DS, Wii U, PS4 and XBONE). I hope you may find peace in these words.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
1) thats your opinion
2) when have launches ever had any killer apps. Its usually the exception rather than the rule and it never stopped other systems selling. If you look, normally all the big games come in the next year after launch.
prankster101
Banned
I never thought I'd be saying this, but if I had the money, I would buy a 3DS XL / Zelda bundle brand new.
The last time I bought brand new (expensive) Nintendo hardware was when I bought a SNES.
And I just bought a Vita yesterday. Brand new.
Buddha Beam
Banned
I'll be buying one at some point this month, but that's only because I'm an old school Nintendo gamer finally coming home. I imagine there are others like me, but admittedly not enough to make a significant difference at this point. I won't be buying a PS4 or XBone, though. Probably never will, to be honest. I'll miss Dead Rising, but nothing else. Probably going to grab a PS3 this year, though. Maybe on Black Friday.
Anyways...
There are no games in the pipeline that will light a fire under the Wii U's ass. All the games coming out will primarily appeal to Nintendo's base audience and little else. I expect the system will ultimately do roundabouts Gamecube numbers. Whether or not Nintendo will be satisfied with that at the end of the day, I don't know.
Personally, I'm buying it because the amount of Nintendo games + a lot of great looking indie titles are available. I also like the off screen play feature.
I think Nintendo could really help themselves buy having at least better demo units in stores. I was at Gamestop about a week ago looking at them and the demo unit still had what I saw pre-launch, mainly. Only 1 or 2 playable demos, none of them Nintendo games. The rest were all videos. It's fucking stupid on their part. Why on Earth can I not sample like every single game?
I think Nintendo would really be helping themselves if they finally embraced what Sony and MS did long ago and fully integrate online into their games. I'd bet that alone would do more for them long-term than any marketing campaign ever could. Just having consumers in general know that they can get the same kind of online experience that they do with MS and Sony would almost certainly sway at least a few million people.
Anyways...
There are no games in the pipeline that will light a fire under the Wii U's ass. All the games coming out will primarily appeal to Nintendo's base audience and little else. I expect the system will ultimately do roundabouts Gamecube numbers. Whether or not Nintendo will be satisfied with that at the end of the day, I don't know.
Personally, I'm buying it because the amount of Nintendo games + a lot of great looking indie titles are available. I also like the off screen play feature.
I think Nintendo could really help themselves buy having at least better demo units in stores. I was at Gamestop about a week ago looking at them and the demo unit still had what I saw pre-launch, mainly. Only 1 or 2 playable demos, none of them Nintendo games. The rest were all videos. It's fucking stupid on their part. Why on Earth can I not sample like every single game?
I think Nintendo would really be helping themselves if they finally embraced what Sony and MS did long ago and fully integrate online into their games. I'd bet that alone would do more for them long-term than any marketing campaign ever could. Just having consumers in general know that they can get the same kind of online experience that they do with MS and Sony would almost certainly sway at least a few million people.
prankster101
Banned
Sega fanboys said pretty much the same thing with the Dreamcast.
Nice anecdote, now justify your claim. How do you know this? You have your ear to every family in America's door? I know kids who flip about Mario games and Zelda still gets people excited. You sure you don't have a narrative you are trying to push?
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