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Could UFC champion Ronda Rousey be competitive against male fighters?
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entremet
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You're using randos from the internet as your control group? LULZ
Coriolanus
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If you assume a takedown, punching is generally out of the equation unless you're on the dominant position. Range of motion and all.
Cubancrisis
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Big poppa pump hath spoken. Thread over.
BronsonLee
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Guys, I think we all just got STEINERIZED
so you are just going to disregard that all those fighters are very competent at grappling? It's because those skills cancel out that good striking becomes an advantage.
so how much preparation do you give him? half a year, one year, two years? The premise is that they fight "now", it doesn't make any sense to give him extended preparation time because that invalidates the comparison.
in your mind, how exactly does those magical punches happen? do you think she is going to stand and trade with him?
Well, she wouldn't be faster than the competition. Hell, she isn't as fast as plenty of male 155'ers.
Le_Samourai
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Judo footwork is good for Judo and useless for fighting, but I agree with you in most of your points, still I think a lot of people are really underestimating the speed difference and ability to control or avoid the clinch of Floyd.
Lone Wolf
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Rhonda would be killed in a street fight
King Cobra
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Because pound for pound men are stronger than women, there is no easier way to put it. Just to put it into perspective, boys in high school varsity can out perform women olympians.
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/lists
Look at those times and compare and contrast times for high school boys with women world records (spoiler: there are many high school boys faster than the fastest woman in the world), there is no sugar coating it when it comes to numbers. There is a reason why we compete seperately.
Don't get me wrong I would love for there to be a fight like this because it would show just how many people are ignorant to the scientific facts of evolution.
Frank Jaeger
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I also have a 100% finish rate baby!
Alligatorjandro
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2 ufc fighters vs a chimpanzee
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No, that i get.
But i was wondering why not let her do it anyway, in the event that she wanted to try.
However i didn't know there was such controversy following the sport (as explained to me in the previous pages) so now i get why they [likely] wouldn't sanction it anyhow.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Victor Ortiz??
Okay, I kid. Still.. yeah with MMA gloves his shots are going to be considerably more powerful.. and he punches probably harder than any MMA guy his weight... Keep in mind Floyd is and should still be fighting at 147.. probably could make 140.
Still, boxing and mma aren't the same thing. Also, Floyd is athletic as people make him out to be.. he's very good.. but he's no prime RJJ... there's MMA guys who match and exceed his athleticism. He's just extremely gifted in the craft of boxing..
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The Wraith
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There is no way Rousey can win a MMA fight against a professional male fighter. She could kick the shit out of a regular dude but not another trained male fighter. The difference in strength is astronomical. Men are bigger and stronger than woman, this isn't me being a misogynist (for the record I am not and I fully believe in women equality) but its science. Testosterone is a hell of a drug.
RockTurtle
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this whole thread is an assumption, so we can't assume that Ronda taking Mayweather down means a full body mount right at the start automatically there's variables in what's available to mayweather even after a takedown.
even with limited range you can build up some damage to make ronda twitch. we don't know her threshold for pain.
I disagree with you, sir, in this hypothetical situation!
FrontalMonk
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I don't think Ronda could hang with the tip top MMA male fighters, but to the lower ranked dudes? She could definitely dismantle some guys.
I don't follow UFC at all so I apologize if this is bad question.
Is it universally recognized that she is the best female MMA fight P4P? Or is she just the most marketable?
I see that she has only had 11 fights (11-0 record). In boxing that would make her a prospect (for the most part).
Is it universally recognized that she is the best female MMA fight P4P? Or is she just the most marketable?
I see that she has only had 11 fights (11-0 record). In boxing that would make her a prospect (for the most part).
Bruce lee enters the arena.
The best boxers aren't in MMA matches. They're in boxing since boxing pays more.
Lone Wolf
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Fair enough, but the unforgiving "street" is nothing like an enclosed ring. It is a whole different animal.
pants
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Evolution deniers
BronsonLee
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MMA fighters usually fight far less than boxers. She's also been a main event fighter since probably her first few fights. She's universally recognized as the P4P because nobody else in that particular division can touch her.
Lone Wolf
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She already stated that she would not due to an unfair advantage of Fallon being born a male
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/09/19/rousey-wont-fight-transgendered-mmaer-fallon-fox
Here is where I come at this question. Ronda is not interested in fighting men, this is something people have built out around here to get a discussion going. She is also, for the most part, not interested in going out looking for fights.
She is the champion, she is at the top of her game, she is completely untouched. For this reason, while she just waits for a challenger to appear, she appears in movies, talk shows, commercials, etc and makes a shit ton of money. Then, she goes back to training camp, beats up the next person in line and repeats it again.
What about men vs women in sports. That question, is more nuanced than I think people give credit. The example people have been throwing around is the William's sisters against the german dude. Few points that probably should be made: it was only one set each, in women's tennis even the top ranked players lose semi-regularly to much lower ranked players, but more importantly is that they had no time to adapt. From what I've read, there was not too much difference in shot power, speed or technique. The most significant difference was the the sisters assumed certain shots were guaranteed winners and would not get into position fast enough, and that the dude was sending shots at angles they had not experienced before. This is due to the fact that in general, men are indeed better athletes than women. I am certain, though, that if the Williams were to play against men in a consistent manner, their timing and game would improve to make them much more competitive against men.
As for whats next for Rousey, the only person I have heard she has offered to fight at any other weight than 135 has been Carano, but that was never agreed to by Dana or UFC. That was just speculation. As it stands now, the only woman that could conceivably give her a fight is Cyborg, to which Ronda has expressed nothing but disdain. For that fight to even be considered Cyborg has to first come down to 135, then we'll see.
She is the champion, she is at the top of her game, she is completely untouched. For this reason, while she just waits for a challenger to appear, she appears in movies, talk shows, commercials, etc and makes a shit ton of money. Then, she goes back to training camp, beats up the next person in line and repeats it again.
What about men vs women in sports. That question, is more nuanced than I think people give credit. The example people have been throwing around is the William's sisters against the german dude. Few points that probably should be made: it was only one set each, in women's tennis even the top ranked players lose semi-regularly to much lower ranked players, but more importantly is that they had no time to adapt. From what I've read, there was not too much difference in shot power, speed or technique. The most significant difference was the the sisters assumed certain shots were guaranteed winners and would not get into position fast enough, and that the dude was sending shots at angles they had not experienced before. This is due to the fact that in general, men are indeed better athletes than women. I am certain, though, that if the Williams were to play against men in a consistent manner, their timing and game would improve to make them much more competitive against men.
As for whats next for Rousey, the only person I have heard she has offered to fight at any other weight than 135 has been Carano, but that was never agreed to by Dana or UFC. That was just speculation. As it stands now, the only woman that could conceivably give her a fight is Cyborg, to which Ronda has expressed nothing but disdain. For that fight to even be considered Cyborg has to first come down to 135, then we'll see.
RockTurtle
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Le_Samourai
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When Serena Williams was told about Andy Murray’s desire to face her in an exhibition match, she thought it sounded fun, but wasn’t confident in her chances in a potential battle of the sexes.
“I doubt I’d win a point,” she said.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/06/serena-williams-andy-murray-how-many-games
I am not saying she would beat Andy Murray: Gold medalist in the Olympics, multiple time grand slam winner and one of the best tennis players in history. I am saying that given enough time she would not be easily beat by low ranked players like people are gleefully quoting left and right.
Your article also makes it super clear. She developed a game around the fact that her serve is powerful enough to disrupt the rhythm of even the best women players, but playing against men it would certainly not be enough. Had 14 year old Serena Williams played competitively against men, her game would have evolved in a very, very different manner.
JasonUresti
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That German guy (Karsten Braasch) took it easy on them so as to not embarrass them. While he was ranked around 200 at the time he played like, in his words, someone around 600 in the world.
Bobby Riggs destroyed the number one female player in the world when he was 55 years old.
Female tennis pros for decades routinely practice against men, its not some novel idea. The difference is they practice against guys who were decent college players, guys not good enough to be pros, and the guys still win. The use those guys because they are better than anyone they will play against on the women's tour.
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Slamtastic
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I'd watch Rousey vs Audience member exhibitions.
Rousey could take many male MMA fighters, but she would not be able to compete at the same weight level.
Think Mighty Mouse v Brock. It just doesn't make sense. Rousey is incredible, and I hope she ventures into the male side at some point before she gets out of her prime, but she's not winning any title above and including the lightweight title.
Physically she's just too small. And she is the John Cena of UFC with 5 moves of doom, granted she hasn't really needed to show her other skills.
Think Mighty Mouse v Brock. It just doesn't make sense. Rousey is incredible, and I hope she ventures into the male side at some point before she gets out of her prime, but she's not winning any title above and including the lightweight title.
Physically she's just too small. And she is the John Cena of UFC with 5 moves of doom, granted she hasn't really needed to show her other skills.
BadAss2961
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She's the best WMMA fighter in the UFC. But until she beats Cyborg, she's not the undisputed best in the world.
Ronda used to fight at 145 (Cyborg's weight class.) She actually hadn't fought at 135 until offered a title shot at that weight, so she basically built her name fighting at 145 . So the Cyborg fight could happen easily if it weren't for business reasons.
weekend_warrior
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MMA rules does't mean a fight automatically has to go to the ground, and Rhonda wouldn't have a chance of getting Floyd down, are you insane? The man can take punches by 150b professional boxers. He'll have significantly faster foot speed, and the strength to throw Rhonda away anytime she got close. If Mayweather fought like it was against another man the fight wouldn't last 30 seconds.
She'll be on the next iteration of Bully Beatdown, armbar and choke out a bunch of regular joe tough guys.
.... what? do you you think she trains and practices with? who do you think ronda trains with? men.
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