Creator’s Voice Special Edition – Nintendo Switch 2’s Custom Processor via Jensen Huang

Didn't expect this to happen. I knew we wouldn't get a lot out of him but man he brought up Iwata a lot. I wonder when we'll start seeing devs use the ray-tracing
 
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Nintendo + Nvidia is a match made in heaven. Hardware based upscaling and raytracing, leaving AMD in the dust.

Next gen has arrived.

(Now give us VRR docked ffs)
 
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Some high level manipulation trying to frame the switch 2 as some kind of cutting edge piece of tech.

The reality is Nintendo did what Nintendo does, put out a piece of kit that bakes in a healthy profit margin. It's just not quite out of date atm but will be in a couple years.

Mr. Huang is trying to pull a colonel Parker on everyone
 
tkscz said:
Didn't expect this to happen. I knew we wouldn't get a lot out of him but man he brought up Iwata a lot. I wonder when we'll start seeing devs use the ray-tracing
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the Switch 2 Welcome Tour thingy has a DLSS demo, so I wouldn't be surprised if it also had a raytracing demo lol.

the first proper game that will use it will probably be Star Wars Outlaws, as it has no baked GI fallback and relies on RT GI to work
 
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Crm114 said:
Some high level manipulation trying to frame the switch 2 as some kind of cutting edge piece of tech.

The reality is Nintendo did what Nintendo does, put out a piece of kit that bakes in a healthy profit margin. It's just not quite out of date atm but will be in a couple years.

Mr. Huang is trying to pull a colonel Parker on everyone
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on what are you basing this on though?
remember that the form factor for this thing is still a tablet .
other portable devices currently on the market are either more expensive or directly comparable in terms of performances.

don't get me wrong, I'm sure nintendo has a margin on this like they always do, but I do not see the miriad of better and cheaper portable gaming devices that would make the switch 2 out of date.
 
Majukun said:
on what are you basing this on though?
remember that the form factor for this thing is still a tablet .
other portable devices currently on the market are either more expensive or directly comparable in terms of performances.

don't get me wrong, I'm sure nintendo has a margin on this like they always do, but I do not see the miriad of better and cheaper portable gaming devices that would make the switch 2 out of date.
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Sony will release a handheld sooner rather than later that will be priced similarly. There will be a bunch of other companies that throw their hat in the ring as well. Existing handheld makers are gonna release new models too.

Now that Nintendo's handheld can handle most 3rd party stuff pretty well I think competition is gonna ramp up big time in this segment.
 
Switch 2 big upgrade over original Switch thats more than enough for me.

I'm not buying Nintendo systems because "latest tech crap" I'm buying for the games.....It has games I absolutely do not want to miss out.
 
Buggy Loop said:
So technology..

wow

pulp fiction check out the big brain on brett GIF
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Not every piece of new tech ages the same. Nintendo's baseline here is way lower and will age quicker but they don't care, most of their games art style doesn't need blistering graphics. The fact that it plays 3rd party games decently now is just a bonus, that's not their bread and butter. But yeah not all tech is out of date in a year or two.

Once the new wave of handhelds comes out it'll age like milk, tech wise.

My point is not that newer more powerful stuff comes out lol duh

I'm laughing at the framing of this as some kind of amazing cutting edge piece of tech in the video specifically. It's a bare minimum effort by Nintendo but that's fine that's their business model.
 
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Crm114 said:
Not every piece of new tech ages the same. Nintendo's baseline here is way lower and will age quicker but they don't care, most of their games art style doesn't need blistering graphics. The fact that it plays 3rd party games decently now is just a bonus, that's not their bread and butter. But yeah not all tech is out of date in a year or two.

Once the new wave of handhelds comes out it'll age like milk, tech wise.

My point is not that newer more powerful stuff comes out lol duh

I'm laughing at the framing of this as some kind of amazing cutting edge piece of tech in the video specifically. It's a bare minimum effort by Nintendo but that's fine that's their business model.
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Naw

Handhelds are entirely limited by LPDDR5x banwidth now. Almost useless to put more computational power as of now and we see why with the Z1 Extreme or Z2 Extreme hitting plateau.

Until there's a new memory, you ain't seeing "aging like milk". Switch 2 used all the bandwidth available with Ampere's 25GB/s per TFlops, they maxed out the architecture for the memory available. Anything more and its inefficient engineering.
 
Buggy Loop said:
Naw

Handhelds are entirely limited by LPDDR5x banwidth now. Almost useless to put more computational power as of now and we see why with the Z1 Extreme or Z2 Extreme hitting plateau.

Until there's a new memory, you ain't seeing "aging like milk". Switch 2 used all the bandwidth available with Ampere's 25GB/s per TFlops, they maxed out the architecture for the memory available. Anything more and its inefficient engineering.
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I think we might see a refresh in a few years built on 4N. Unlocked 1.4ghz GPU/1.7ghz CPU and 4 hours of battery life, maxed out LPDDR5X being 120 GB/s. That should be more than enough to make this thing effectively futureproof like that user claims.
 
LPDDR6 should be launching this or next year. Speeds should range from 256GB/s all the way up to 345.6GB/s eventually. Combined with the memory efficiency improvements of UDNA and the gains will be significant. Likely the Steam Deck 2 and PS6 portable will use that. Until then the Switch 2 will be competitive with the current crop of handhelds.
 
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Buggy Loop said:
Naw

Handhelds are entirely limited by LPDDR5x banwidth now. Almost useless to put more computational power as of now and we see why with the Z1 Extreme or Z2 Extreme hitting plateau.

Until there's a new memory, you ain't seeing "aging like milk". Switch 2 used all the bandwidth available with Ampere's 25GB/s per TFlops, they maxed out the architecture for the memory available. Anything more and its inefficient engineering.
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You definitely know a lot more than I do when it comes to the tech behind the hardware and what's on the market right now.

They're gonna benefit from a window of about 1-2( maybe even 3) years before Sony throws their hat in the ring. Others will also release handhelds too during that period.

Atm what do you think of the tech in the switch 2 is it just passable and taking advantage of the release window with no competition or do you think it's actually pretty powerful at its time of release, genuinely curious and willing to have my mind changed.

Switch 2 is running cyberpunk like 9 year old console (PS4 pro) which was a transition game from last gen to this one,

Do you think it'll be able to run things from the upcoming but scaled down ?

Sonys handheld is definitely being designed to be able to bridge that gap so if you think the switch 2 would be able to do that, then that would def make it future proof.

Obviously the price is a turn off for a lot of people, do you think it's priced fairly, if not what would of been a good price in your opinion?
 
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LordOcidax said:
$450 is expensive now? 🤣🤣🤣
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Only when compared to the og switch I guess?

It is $100 more than the OLED, but its still $50 cheaper than a ps5 and currently $150 cheaper than a Series X

$450 isnt what I'd call a sweetspot, but its still a fair price all things considered
 
Crm114 said:
Some high level manipulation trying to frame the switch 2 as some kind of cutting edge piece of tech.

The reality is Nintendo did what Nintendo does, put out a piece of kit that bakes in a healthy profit margin. It's just not quite out of date atm but will be in a couple years.

Mr. Huang is trying to pull a colonel Parker on everyone
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Show us a more advanced gaming device with a similar form factor
 
Crm114 said:
You definitely know a lot more than I do when it comes to the tech behind the hardware and what's on the market right now.

They're gonna benefit from a window of about 1-2( maybe even 3) years before Sony throws their hat in the ring. Others will also release handhelds too during that period.

Atm what do you think of the tech in the switch 2 is it just passable and taking advantage of the release window with no competition or do you think it's actually pretty powerful at its time of release, genuinely curious and willing to have my mind changed.
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Switch 2 at the moment is passable, slightly above ROG Ally X most likely for the fact that games will be built to the metal on it and has DLSS which for equivalent picture quality PC handhelds have to remain effectively native or near.

As pretty much as most you can squeeze out of current LPDDR5x unless you go with massive caches


Crm114 said:
Switch 2 is running cyberpunk like 9 year old console (PS4 pro) which was a transition game from last gen to this one,
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Phantom liberty which is a bit more difficult to run than what last gen could handle.

It's a day 1 release and no I don't think it's the max switch 2 can do, the game does not use mesh shaders for one which are the most effective in CPU cycles and limiting system bandwidth for geometry calls on lower end hardware, such as Alan wake 2 getting the biggest gains in frame times on series S over all other hardware.

Crm114 said:
Do you think it'll be able to run things from the upcoming but scaled down ?
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A lot of it

CPU limited games on consoles will be the hardest ones to port.

I think it'll do RTGI ala Star Wars outlaws and other fews using it just fine. Same for nanite, lumen, easily KCD 2, etc. GTA6? Naw, CPU on that should be heavy.

Crm114 said:
Sonys handheld is definitely being designed to be able to bridge that gap so if you think the switch 2 would be able to do that, then that would def make it future proof.
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Some wins some losses, some impossible ports.

A Sony handheld released in 2-3 years of course outclasses it if much faster memory shows up.

Switch 1 was way lower tier when it entered market comparatively imo, and look still how peoples were puzzled by some tech wizardry when it came to TOTK.

Crm114 said:
Obviously the price is a turn off for a lot of people, do you think it's priced fairly, if not what would of been a good price in your opinion?
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All talk of future handhelds are basically hanging in the balance of what happens with China and Taiwan with increasing rumors that China goes in by 2027

But even with say future handheld unlocks new memory bandwidth and managed a PS5 in handheld form with no compromises, we're full in on flopflation and diminishing returns, now more than ever in history of mobile vs consoles, switch 2 would not « age like milk ».
 
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