Cruise ship runs aground in Italy

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TheSeks said:
Sounds like a suicide. But the lack of investigation and the number of people that "go missing" is crazy. Maybe that area is a cruise ship "Golden Gate Bridge" of suiciders? But why wouldn't a body turn up if someone investigated the area? Currents would drag a floating body for miles in 24 hours?
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I was impressed as well.
But then I read that last year 11 millions of people went on cruise...
 
Jarmel said:
Wow, so a captain can actually get into legal trouble for leaving a sinking ship?
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The penalty for a captain that leave a sinking a ship before its guests (in a deliberate manner) is very severe. The perpetrator can be jailed for up to 12 years, if I'm not mistaken.

It's harsh, but understandable and not something that I'm disagreeing with.

And the captain is a complete fool for steering the ship very close like that. As I understand doing the saluting thing is a tradition but the previous ships did that in a safe distance. Why he felt the need to move so close was something that I do not understand.
 
Hmm...

Jump
Swim
???
Profit

I'm not saying I would do that but still, it looks so close. <.<

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jmdajr said:
Seeing some of the videos and witness account. Just unbelievable.
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If you can barely believe those, check out what the NY Times pulled from the transcripts:

New York Times said:
The captain of the sinking Costa Concordia told the Italian Coast Guard that he had a &#8220;small technical failure&#8221; hours after the massive cruise ship ground against a reef and began listing to the side, according to transcripts of conversations published by Italian newspapers on Tuesday.

[. . .]

There were 4,200 passengers and crew members aboard the sinking vessel when it ran aground on Friday night. But in a series of radio and telephone calls with the coast guard that night, Mr. Schettino minimized the extent of the damage to the ship and the number of passengers, saying there were only &#8220;two, three hundred&#8221; people on the giant vessel, according to transcripts obtained by the Italian newspapers Il Fatto Quotidiano and Corriere della Sera and translated by The Guardian. Corriere della Sera also published an audio recording of the conversations.

&#8220;Everything OK?&#8221; the coast guard asked in one early radio exchange.

&#8220;Affirmative,&#8221; Mr. Schettino said, adding that the ship had only a &#8220;small technical failure.&#8221;

Reached later by radio, he repeated that &#8220;We&#8217;ve only got a technical problem&#8221; and assured the coast guard that &#8220;as soon as it&#8217;s resolved, we&#8217;ll communicate to you.&#8221; But according to the report the captain did not call back. After initially reaching the captain on the ship by radio late Friday night, subsequent calls were unanswered and the coast guard then reached Mr. Schettino by telephone, apparently aboard a lifeboat alongside the stricken liner. He told them he had abandoned the ship, then immediately denied it.

&#8220;I&#8217;m not on board because the bows of the ship are coming up. We&#8217;ve abandoned her.&#8221;

&#8220;What do you mean? You&#8217;ve abandoned ship?&#8221;

&#8220;No. No way have I abandoned ship. I&#8217;m here,&#8221; Mr. Schettino replied.

[. . .]
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More here: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20...uise-ship-captain-published-by-italian-media/

The transcripts basically confirm eyewitness reports accounts. This man is never going to work in this industry again (*to the cheers of future cruise ship passengers*).
 
Wow. The captain not only jumped off the boat, but then said it was a small, technical issue? WTF? I did read that the waiter he was going to wave at did post on his facebook about it. So kind of confirms that story, but I hear that it was a pretty common ritual.

The fact that only 11 people died out of 4200 is amazing to me. I feel for those 11 and their families, but looking at the pictures, I thought it would be much more.
 
Not downplaying the tragedy of the whole thing (honestly, my thoughts go out to the families of the victims), but the idea of the captain being the first to bail out and be like "hell nawww I'm not going back!" is amazingly comical to me.

All because he was hotdogin' around.
 
lenovox1 said:
If you can barely believe those, check out what the NY Times pulled from the transcripts:



More here: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20...uise-ship-captain-published-by-italian-media/

The transcripts basically confirm eyewitness reports accounts. This man is never going to work in this industry again (*to the cheers of future cruise ship passengers*).
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I think not being able to work again is the least of his worries. That is evidence enough to throw him in jail.
 
For anyone thinking people should have just jumped... well, some did:

"Six people are now confirmed dead, including two French passengers and one Peruvian crew member, apparently after jumping into the chilly Mediterranean waters after the wreck."

Five more dead were discovered this morning inside the ship.

lenovox1 said:
If you can barely believe those, check out what the NY Times pulled from the transcripts:



More here: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20...uise-ship-captain-published-by-italian-media/

The transcripts basically confirm eyewitness reports accounts. This man is never going to work in this industry again (*to the cheers of future cruise ship passengers*).
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That's the least of his problems right now.
 
The captain was a coward while the crew did a helluva job and saved as many lifes as possible. Oh, and according to the news, the crew acted independently, because the captain didn't give the order. How can anyone fail so hard?
 
The first telephone call (subbed in english) between the coast guard and the captain is incredible. It's worth listening to just to hear how pissed off the coast guard commander is and how sheepish the captain behaves.

"Look Schettino maybe you saved yourself from the sea, but i'm going to give you hell to pay"

The captain was a coward while the crew did a helluva job and saved as many lifes as possible. Oh, and according to the news, the crew acted independently, because the captain didn't give the order. How can anyone fail so hard?
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Yeah if there was a successful evacuation it's because the crew basically mutinied.
 
Strafer said:
Hmm...

Jump
Swim
???
Profit
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It's quite a high jump depending on which deck you happen to be. Easily 20m from one of the upper decks. Dangerous if you dont land feet first. And good luck not hitting a rock at the bottom of the sea. As a last resort no problem but i wouldnt think about it if thers still a chance to leave the ship on a life boat.
 
Recording from black box:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnshd5PH5ys&feature=player_embedded

Coast guard captain yelling at captain to return to the ship.

- You must tell us how many people, children, women, and a passenger in each of these categories. What are you doing? Immediately return to the ship. Leaving the rescue? - Asked the commander of the captain.

This is followed by a sharp warning to the captain of the cruiser, which sank:

- Listen Schettino, you might save yourself from the sea, but I will make sure that you be nasty. You will pay for this, go back to the ship!

- Please - could be heard from the captain of the ship.

- No 'please'! Return to the ship!

The captain tried to explain to coordinate the rescue, as the commander of the Coast Guard lost his temper.

- What are you coordinating?? Return to the ship and coordinate from there! It is a command! You left the ship, now I give orders! Return to the ship and call when you arrive! - Angry, he was commander of the Coast Guard, who then asked the captain:

- Would You may go home? It is night so you want to go home? Come up to the boat. Immediately!
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sorry for the poor translation, it is translation of translation but i think it ends up pretty good :-)
 
The captain will not have a good time for the next 15-20 years...deserving it. What a freaking coward and absolutely viscid person.
 
There was an English dramatisation of the conversation between the captain and the coastguard on Radio 4 as I drove home last night. It just went on and on, all the time my disbelief growing. At the end of it I felt pretty drained and upset.

Also, I didn't know that even before that conversation he'd been lying and trying to cover his arse until I read it here. What a twat.
 
The most absurd aspect about that conversation is that, in another contest...it would result as something really funny, for the responses Schettino gives to De Falco.

"Schettino, go back to the ship!"
"No...no...it's too black in there!!!"

Especially imitating Schettino's accent in talking.

But, unfortunately, it's not cabaret, it's something really happened, and the same exact words sound scary and rage-worthy. :(
 
Had a cruise incident a few years back and I have no issues going on a cruise in the future.

Originally posted here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23199845&postcount=37

Article about it:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/26/national/main1836645.shtml

Some dumb-ass junior captain in the bridge apparently decided the ship wasn't quite level and over-corrected manually in the wrong direction causing it to pretty violently list to one side. Enough that when they quickly re-corrected it it emptied the pools (which ran down the stairways like a waterfall) and tossed people all over the place. When the captain eventually got onto the PA system he sounded fucking terrified.

I looked out my balcony and suddenly the horizon went high enough that all I could see was the ocean. I grabbed my sleeping 2 y/o son, put on a life vest and tried to head into the hallway (up the incline). It was over by the time I got to the stairs, but some of the cruise staff below deck were hurt the most apparently.

It was on the way home though, so free cruise and free drinks. But we had to take a flight home since the Coast Guard needed to investigate.

I shit you not, the movie they scheduled to play on deck that night (on the huge jumbotron) was supposed to be Titanic.
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Hmm, our biology undergrads go there every year for the marine zoology field trip. There better won't be a fuel leak or they will have a lot less animals to define.
Snorkeling there was a cool week and the island is filled with (street) cats :D

Reading the news about that captain really makes you wonder how he got that job/responsibility in the first place.
 
Jarmel said:
Wow, so a captain can actually get into legal trouble for leaving a sinking ship?
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You're damn right. The captain is responsible for his ship and all the people on board. A ship can be far, far away from all help at any given point in time, and in those cases it's the captain's job to lead and make the right decisions. He's running the show, and the lives of the passengers and crew are in his hands. If he fucks up, people can die, and that's exactly what happened here. It's a fucking good stroke of luck that so many people made it out alive in this case, and none of that is thanks to the captain.

The captain abandoning a sinking ship is not like some dude walking out of an office without warning. It's more like running out of a burning building and locking everyone else in.
 
Man, what the hell do you do to a man that destroys a billion dollar ship? Do they insure ships?
 
I do see the point of "Captain is a coward for leaving the ship" but i do not understand why the captain is any worse than the director of the academy awards ceremony bailing out when the whole theater starts to catch fire? I mean, how can this captain seriously be the most hated man in Italy? He is just like the 1/3 of all men/women who act selfish when in danger. The same thing happened during the 2004 Tsunami, grown up men were pushing away young teenagers and children to get to safety, ignoring people falling behind and eventually drowning. Obviously, he acts like a typical italian primadonna when he comes up with all these stupid ass excuses but that is just like Berlusconi and that whole group of italian men.


To me, he is probably not even top 100 hated men in Italy right now. More like top 2000. there are people out there raping, murdering, stealing and doing all kinds of crap. This guy, was basically being your typical italian primadonna, sitting in the bar with some ladies instead of guarding the steering crews work. For me, he is a bit like the Aeroflot pilot who let his son sin in the cockpit and who then accidentally turned off the autopilot, making the whole airplane crash.

There is always a small amount of pilots/captains/drivers doing stupid shit and risking peoples lives. To me he is a coward but not at all the most hated man. I find it more like a bad farce. Hate to say it, but this is kinda what i expect from your typical Italian cruise ship captain, the flavio stereotype.
 
there's a code of honor for pilot/captain types that isn't the same for a theater owner. lives are literally in their hands.
 
Sealda said:
I do see the point of "Captain is a coward for leaving the ship" but i do not understand why the captain is any worse than the director of the academy awards ceremony bailing out when the whole theater starts to catch fire? I mean, how can this captain seriously be the most hated man in Italy? He is just like the 1/3 of all men/women who act selfish when in danger. The same thing happened during the 2004 Tsunami, grown up men were pushing away young teenagers and children to get to safety, ignoring people falling behind and eventually drowning. Obviously, he acts like a typical italian primadonna when he comes up with all these stupid ass excuses but that is just like Berlusconi and that whole group of italian men.
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That would be true in the normal instance, but when you have been screen and trained to be able to handle emergencies and made critically aware of your duties to ensure that everyone has been taken off the ship you will be penalized for dereliction of duty. Same thing would happen to an officer of the peace or soldier who exhibited such behaviors. Sure, human nature may be saying "save your own ass man - save yo ass!" (in an Italian accent) - but when you take on that heightened responsibility that is no longer a defensible action. So to get back to your example, the director of the academy awards has no perceived obligation to ensure the safety of others and nobody in the auditorium would be expecting him to save others. There is a specific perceived obligation of the captain of a ship to take care of the passengers of the ship.
 
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