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CYBERPUNK 2077 |OT2| The Last Samurai [>56K Warning_]
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BigbyTheSheriff
Member
It is.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Yeah. Good loot too.
Soleil rouge
Member
Those of you wishing for more weather added in future DLC's, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Pretty sure it was a design choice. It's LA, which means nearly perfect, sunny weather year round.
SJRB
Gold Member
That's wild. Will definately go looking for him tomorrow.
cryptoadam
Banned
Just interesting what they focused on as opposed to what they promised.
I would have exchanged Johnny Silver hand and the Next Gen graphics for that immersive city with full on AI and some of the other systems they promised early on.
It comes down to talent, money, time or planning but somewhere a long the way everything they wanted to put in got cut.
I kind of agree with YoungRippa when he says that execs pushed Silverhand to the forefront of the game because they signed Keanu to big money. It would have made a much better side quest and still get that oh cool its Keanu without having to make it the main part of the quest. And then maybe there could of been more of the cut features and all that your decisions effect the game stuff they hyped so much.
I would have exchanged Johnny Silver hand and the Next Gen graphics for that immersive city with full on AI and some of the other systems they promised early on.
It comes down to talent, money, time or planning but somewhere a long the way everything they wanted to put in got cut.
I kind of agree with YoungRippa when he says that execs pushed Silverhand to the forefront of the game because they signed Keanu to big money. It would have made a much better side quest and still get that oh cool its Keanu without having to make it the main part of the quest. And then maybe there could of been more of the cut features and all that your decisions effect the game stuff they hyped so much.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
I had a side quest that brought me there.
MMaRsu
Member
I think this is BS, Keanu wanted a major role in the game including the side quests.
Who gives a shit about AI, its not like those npcs in RDR2 or GTAV have an actual life.
People keep comparing it or wanting it to be better than the open world games of a developer with 15+ years of experience creating open world games when its this devs only second open world game.
They may have been too ambitious but they always said everythinf was subject to change.
cryptoadam
Banned
Hey don't blame me for CDPR's own overhyping. Ya everything was subject to change but thats not a good excuse. I show you a picutre of a 5 star meal and say subject to change and then give you a TV dinner you are going to complain.
Plenty of people give a shit about AI, and on base console its even worse since you don't see more than 2 cars on the street or 5 people walking around. Far cry from that first reveal where they boasted how its going to be the most immersvie city ever with people having full day/night cycles living their lives. LOL on base your lucky if NPCs walk around you. And it effects game play too because you can't really jack a car when you stuck on some highway because there are no cars around and NPCs don't react to you they just drive you over.
But ya overall if we just take it as it is its a solid 7 out of 10 game. Take out the game breaking bugs and all the hype and have this game done by a no name developer and its a 7. Decent enough game with an okay linear story and an open world with a bunch of busy work in it. The side missions are repetitive but since you have so many ways of doing them you can make your own fun and approach them all in different fashions.
CDPR just don't have the talent to pull it off. Rockstar yup they have 15 years and mulitple critically acclaimed games under their belt. UBI has AC/WD/FAR CRY under their belt. CDPR just doesn't have the same chops those other developers have to pull off their original intentions. They just laid it on everyone as a giant surprise when the game launched instead of coming clean.
I still enjoy playing the game and the unlocks/perk system has enough carrots to keep you playing around and wanting to play just one more mission. But the game really reminds me of No More Heros. Fun story, fun characters, fun combat, empty dead open world and crappy driving that just serves the purpose of checking a box.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
I would not trade Johnny for anything he’s an essential piece of the puzzle. Not a fan of the “they wasted all this money on a big name” fan theories that go around. They seem misguided and wrong. It’s like when people were bitching about Keifer in MGSV as if one voice actor was standing in the way of some alternate game people made up in their heads. Remove Johnny and you will have to write a new core story.
So tired of GTA and even though I bought RDR2 I gave up soon after realizing it was so boring to play.
I would rather have this incredible game which does its own thing than force it into a Rockstar mold.
So tired of GTA and even though I bought RDR2 I gave up soon after realizing it was so boring to play.
I would rather have this incredible game which does its own thing than force it into a Rockstar mold.
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Night.Ninja
Banned
Give them time, they will deliver.
Night.Ninja
Banned
Wow
Cherrypepsi
Member
I returned skippy and I'll miss him.
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harmny
Banned
A 7? Cmon you are being too harsh. Give me the rating of other open world action adventure RPGs please
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MMaRsu
Member
Are we talking about AI or are we talking about how many npcs there are on the streets? Two different things.
Also, its very fucking immersive on pc, and indeed the most immersive open world to date.
MadYarpen
Member
just finished it. Fuuck.
Was thinking about checking out other endings... But I need to rest now. Maybe will do this later.
What a masterpiece. I mean... it cannot be a masterpiece because it is broken in places... But what a masterpiece.
It may be 7/10 for some, I don't think I have ever played anything better tbh.
E: 68h according to GOG. Did all the sidequests I could find. Cleared out some stuff from the map. Wish the main story was a little longer.
Was thinking about checking out other endings... But I need to rest now. Maybe will do this later.
What a masterpiece. I mean... it cannot be a masterpiece because it is broken in places... But what a masterpiece.
It may be 7/10 for some, I don't think I have ever played anything better tbh.
E: 68h according to GOG. Did all the sidequests I could find. Cleared out some stuff from the map. Wish the main story was a little longer.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Johnny was so fuckin' stoked to go on the coaster. Love the little moments in this game.
ComputerBlue
Member
Got myself the dope ass car from the trailers, I might do a little bit more driving than walking for a change.
Love this game.
Love this game.
ComputerBlue
Member
Plenty of time when you load a save the roads will be wet, it might be by design, but then it makes no sense if we’re going to go with the LA is sunny all the time angle.
Soleil rouge
Member
Not nearly enough. It was a bad choice to have it be set in LA. At least Cyberpunk-wise.
MadYarpen
Member
I love Jonny, and how he changes over time. To bad I didn't go to the rollercoaster. Where/when was that? Need to take notes for 2nd playthrough lol.Johnny was so fuckin' stoked to go on the coaster. Love the little moments in this game.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
The coaster was just some random event that happened after I wandered through the mall. I'm supposed to bring Rouge $15K, but that won't happen for a while now that there's more side stuff to do.
harmny
Banned
Well at least nobody can blame cdpr for that.
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
Weather systems could definitely use a tweak. The sunny clear look is not as flattering as it could be, everything feels very flatly lit in the day time. Heck if they had some metallic fog they could even take care of their pop in problem while adding to the atmosphere.
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Deleted member 17706
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Just want to drop this in here. Really like this song:
Can't find it anywhere. Did CDProjekt have it made specifically for this game?
This one's not bad, either. Seems to play a lot in Afterlife:
Gives me those hard late 90s Matrix vibes.
Anyway, Vexelstrom is the best radio station.
Can't find it anywhere. Did CDProjekt have it made specifically for this game?
This one's not bad, either. Seems to play a lot in Afterlife:
Gives me those hard late 90s Matrix vibes.
Anyway, Vexelstrom is the best radio station.
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cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
Got to the point of no return after 40 hours. I've stayed away from spoilers, so I was kind of surprised it came so soon. Gonna try and wipe out a good chunk of side missions before I take the plunge.
I love the city and characters and can't wait for future updates/DLC. Hope CDPR can overcome the launch fuck-ups.
I love you Jackie
I love the city and characters and can't wait for future updates/DLC. Hope CDPR can overcome the launch fuck-ups.
I love you Jackie
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King_Mandu
Banned
Rockstar's been making the same game for 20 years yet somehow shooting still feels like ass in every GTA and RDR game. They damn near perfected it in Max Payne 3 then regressed back to GTA3 levels in the next two games. CDPR topped them, Bethesds and Ubisoft in the combat department on their first go at guns and car design so yeah, they do have the chops.
Ubisoft, lol. Another studio making the same exact game repeatedly for two decades. I like the AC games for historical tourism in a giant open world but those games all reek of a massive vote by committee machine churning them out like processed junk food. From Origins on, I think they upped their player character writing for sure. My sword will always be ready for Valhalla simply because casting Cnut, from The Last Kingdom, was an especially inspired choice for male Eivor. The last interesting Far Cry game was Far Cry 2. Watch Dogs...nah lol.
Meanwhile, CDPR trumps both of them handily in character, story and quest writing and design. Like, not even close. CDPR has always talked about mature writing and some people dismissed that as "oh, blood and tits" when all along they've been iterating on mature topics in their stories, much like Rockstar and Ubisoft have and their game formula, and improving with each release. Cyberpunk is arguably the most mature AAA game out today, narrative and characterwise, and goes places their "competition" hasn't and probably never will.
I think the reason people say the story and characters are "meh" is because the story and characters aren't what they expected or wanted it to be. V isn't Dovakhin/Michael/Shepard/The Chosen One. V is an underdog, unknown merc and V is dying. You can't change Night City.
It's impossible. You can only save yourself (as Mr. Pondsmith said himself). Your whole goal is to save your ass because you're in a thankless world and nobody cares about you at the start. Except the people you meet on the way. They care a whole lot and some of them will ride through the flames of hell for you. There is a lot of subtlety in Cyberpunk 2077 in many ways and unfortunately, gamers are usually completely terrible at recognizing that.
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SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
This is totally one of William Gibson's rules for Cyberpunk too. No heroes. No saving the day or changing the world. Cyberpunk characters have selfish motivations, they want to survive, get ahead, get revenge.
Cyberpunk nicks a lot of the genre canon, but it understands and respects the material it rips off.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
Just doing the Panam stuff now. It’s great. She is a great character. CDPR are real storytellers & this game is proof.
The Johnny stuff is great too. He is a very complex character. I like how he is almost a Greek chorus off to the side, commenting. Keanu is the perfect man to have in this central role, Neo himself. The terrorist rockstar is a perfect cyberpunk trope and he suits his role. He reminds me of a lot of people I know, he is kind of an asshole but he also kind of cares and has another side. Yes it is cliche but it is miles beyond the cynical nihilist assholes in GTA.
You get a sense that everyone in this world is living for something and has their own reasons and you spend a lot of time exploring that. With a lot of really fun and awesome stealth/shoot out gameplay along the way. It’s a fucked up and beautiful world.
The Johnny stuff is great too. He is a very complex character. I like how he is almost a Greek chorus off to the side, commenting. Keanu is the perfect man to have in this central role, Neo himself. The terrorist rockstar is a perfect cyberpunk trope and he suits his role. He reminds me of a lot of people I know, he is kind of an asshole but he also kind of cares and has another side. Yes it is cliche but it is miles beyond the cynical nihilist assholes in GTA.
You get a sense that everyone in this world is living for something and has their own reasons and you spend a lot of time exploring that. With a lot of really fun and awesome stealth/shoot out gameplay along the way. It’s a fucked up and beautiful world.
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JayK47
Member
Regarding side quests, several showed up on my quest list simply by doing the main quest or driving around. Then at some point, they stopped coming in. So I started to head to the markers on the map and there are so many of them. The earlier side quests I did were great and varied. The ones I am doing now are steal, kill, or free someone. The locations can be varied, but the missions not so much. Not complaining, since it gives me an opportunity to mess around some more before wrapping the game up. Seems weird to hand out quests just by being near them, rather than having me grab them from the quest giver. Or maybe I am doing it wrong. Just about done with all available side quests per the map anyways. Then off to "the point of no return".
cryptoadam
Banned
I didn't say the story was meh, the open world is meh.
There is still fun to be had with the game, but strip it of its hype and just look at the open world on its own. CDPR didn't have the talent + time +money to pull of all the open world systems they wanted to that they hyped up. They did a good job on the story and cinematic action set pieces and the gameplay is pretty fun.
But the open world and on last gen the graphics are just not up to snuff compared to the competition that has been going on since everyone and their mothers started copying GTA.
I think 7-8 is fair. The bugs and jank are still there. And outside the main quest the side stuff is pretty repetitive in nature. And then there is nothing else to do in the world outside of the markers which mainly all boil down to go to A, get B and either shoot or stealth. The driving isn't anything to write home about either. Add in missing all kinds of systems like customization, garages, apartments, economy (aside from selling your loot) etc...
Its still a fun but flawed game. I will say that it does have that 1 more mission appeal to it because of all the carrots it tangles.
I would say both. AI is pretty lame all around and then streets are just dead with not much going on.
And I am playing on last gen so I understand that on PC the graphics are way better and you have more density to at least give more of an impression the city is somewhat alive.
Overall the state of the game and how much more immersive it is on PC I really think CDPR should have scrapped the last gen version or at least waited to push it out but they had a financial decision to make. If it would have only launched on PC and not been as horrendous as it was on PS4/XBOX to the point of being pulled from the store I don't think the backlash would be as bad.
Warablo
Member
One thing they could have done better are the shards. At least had some art like magazine stuff and titles to make them more unique. I think Deux Ex had that which lead to me reading some of them more. The same text and background and colors for everything is a bore.
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You can already do it with a perk but need 16 tech.
I went to this easter egg location and of course it had to be raining for the easter egg...it hasnt stopped raining for 4 in game hours and three quests later!! Ironically there was rainfall warning in my city yesterday as well.
Agreed on Vexelstrom, but still no one has a cut of the "Everything Burns" Song??!?!?!? That's my fav and cant find it. Messenger is #2.
I wouldnt say you are doing it wrong, and I cant figure out those who complain about map markers! You can turn off the map!!!!!! To answer your question, they only call when you are really close to a question mark or exclamation mark marker...its a very handy system because if you dont want to go driving around (although I get why most do) then you can take it and do allthe missions in an area, or leave it. Just because there are markers doesnt mean its Ubi open world...this open world is better and more detailed when you get to the areas they built. They built even unmarked loot stashes better than any I have experienced, and although I liked Fallout NV, it sucks in comparison to what I find at a location when I obviously wasnt supposed to be there and trying to break sequence...in fact try to do that in any bethesda and you break the quests big time. Despite huge amounts of space you cant enter, (come on the city + badlands is f'n HUGE) they have more content in this map then NV and its more detailed once you get inside....especially unmarked areas like silk road market. No quests, no markers, just 4 hours of fire escapes, elevators and convoluted walkways connecting two sides of the street from floors 18-30. What other game has an open world sandbox that big in just one little area? The loot was incredible! I still wish I had more opportunity in this game to go out of bounds and still find dsomethign cool, but already I have found more than bethesda or Ubi which was zero.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
That detective stuff with River Ward is awesome. Some achievements I'm not getting and can't tell why, like I've filled every Cyberware slot but haven't gotten full body conversion to pop for some reason. Also don't get how the Christmas Tree achievement works, I've done all 3 on a breach before
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
It's not the open world, the world is next level detailed, with amazing design and so many little points of interest.
What isn't there is the simulation. Like I think this game wants to be Deus Ex more than GTA but either way part of the appeal is the emergent stuff, the systems-based interactions that work regardless of if the developer has curated them.
That stuff is really not there in Cyberpunk. The AI for NPCs and cars is real dumb, even the animation system is pretty basic/old fashioned. There's not a lot of physics simulation, or destructibles, THAT is what I think is missing more than any flaw in the world or the fact that I can't go into every dildo store.
cryptoadam
Banned
Unfortunately the amazing design and details is really lost on PS4 base.
I know i am missing out from the next gen excperience. Kind of fell like when BF launched on PS3 and PS4 where one was 32 players and the other 64.
I got the cyber ware really early as it only requires one mod in each slot.... not full...maybe you already got it?
rabbitontherun
Neo Member
I'm currently in the middle of the Peralez Quest.
They're like the perfect corpo couple lol
They're like the perfect corpo couple lol
HellforLeather
Member
I wish they would have cut some stuff from this game that just doesn't work, like the fist fighting.
I feel like I need to complete this side mission but its such a fucking mess. The mechanics are shit. The hit detection is shit. The lock on works until it doesn't for seemingly no reason. Is there even any good loot at the end of this garbage? I'm at the last fight and its the crappiest out of all the fights. Smallest arena, biggest enemy, teleports all around, can seemingly hit you from the other side of the ring, and you have to hit him in a certain spot while the auto aim kicks in and moves your aim away.
I feel like I need to complete this side mission but its such a fucking mess. The mechanics are shit. The hit detection is shit. The lock on works until it doesn't for seemingly no reason. Is there even any good loot at the end of this garbage? I'm at the last fight and its the crappiest out of all the fights. Smallest arena, biggest enemy, teleports all around, can seemingly hit you from the other side of the ring, and you have to hit him in a certain spot while the auto aim kicks in and moves your aim away.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
No, I can tell what achievements I've unlocked.
Hugare
Gold Member
I've just finished the rescue mission with Panam
That scene after opening the door after waking up, I said goddamn. Gorgeous view with the early morning sunlight.
Love how she always shut you down when you simp too hard for her lol
Usually in games, the "simp" dialogue option is the default romance option. Not the case with badass Panam.
This game is so content rich, it's crazy. I'm pretty sure that I still have a lot of story to go through (since my relationship with Johny is still pretty undeveloped), and yet it feels like I've been in Night City for ages.
I've done so many sidequests that sometimes I forget about what is going on when I decide to go back to the main quest
Playing this game on VR in the future will be a fucking transcendental experience.
Dont consider it to be a masterpiece due to crashes and bugs, but in terms of content and how good the content is, good God ...
There's no other game out there quite like this one. And there wont be anytime soon.
Not with this amount of heart put into it
That scene after opening the door after waking up, I said goddamn. Gorgeous view with the early morning sunlight.
Love how she always shut you down when you simp too hard for her lol
Usually in games, the "simp" dialogue option is the default romance option. Not the case with badass Panam.
This game is so content rich, it's crazy. I'm pretty sure that I still have a lot of story to go through (since my relationship with Johny is still pretty undeveloped), and yet it feels like I've been in Night City for ages.
I've done so many sidequests that sometimes I forget about what is going on when I decide to go back to the main quest
Playing this game on VR in the future will be a fucking transcendental experience.
Dont consider it to be a masterpiece due to crashes and bugs, but in terms of content and how good the content is, good God ...
There's no other game out there quite like this one. And there wont be anytime soon.
Not with this amount of heart put into it
Chittagong
Gold Member
So Microsoft just randomly sent me £10 as a refund, although I have not requested it. Sorry for the bugz lol?
Anyone else got this?
Anyone else got this?
Was just about to post the same thing. Looks like they have decided to automatically issue partial refunds. Not complaining!So Microsoft just randomly sent me £10 as a refund, although I have not requested it. Sorry for the bugz lol?
Anyone else got this?
Knightsoftheround
Member
Finished the game last night. Got the ending where
Overall I really loved the game even with it's issues. To be fair on PS5 I barely had any bugs....certainly no more then your average Ubi outing. Really looking forward to replaying once next gen patch and possibly some DLC is out.
I left with Panam but only had 6 months to live. Seems like a good ending as Panam mentions about medical care.
Overall I really loved the game even with it's issues. To be fair on PS5 I barely had any bugs....certainly no more then your average Ubi outing. Really looking forward to replaying once next gen patch and possibly some DLC is out.