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[Karkador]

I chose Flux based on who talked about their FA on D1 and who seemed to be most in need.

Here are my notes on the matter:

1. Royal_Flush - "posting forbidden actions isn't something we should do since they could hint at PRs."

2. Bronx-Man
3. *Splinter

5. OceanicAir - "I can't be in the top two of votes by days end (well, specifically i can't be second)."

7. StarSketch - "My forbidden action sucks for me in particular due to my playstyle but I'll still try my best >.>;;"

8. nin1000
9. Natiko

10. Sorian - "Jokes on you, I already posted my forbidden action" / "To be fair, the general sentiment seemed like we shouldn't force a mass claim." / "This talk makes me wonder if there is a forbidden action cop. Not sure how useful that utility would be."

11. StanleyPalmtree
12. Ty4on
13. AbsolutBro

14. FluxWaveZ - must have a vote by end of day

15. Faddy - claimed poetry FA, later said he lied

Blank entries didn't claim or weren't clear about their FA (Blarg), or I didn't see it in my skim during the night phase.

- I considered OA because his claimed FA means he might wind up being an extra lynch for no reason. However, he's still mostly in control of that situation, I think, and it doesn't interfere with his own ability to vote.

- Flux seemed a bit more in need because he has to occupy his own vote saving himself, if nobody votes on him.

The other reason I chose him is that he was among the most trusted and non-controversial in D1, which means he'd be a good candidate to confirm my claim today.

 

[Natiko]

Natiko is someone I currently feel mixed about. There is this post from D1 talking about different permutations of players concerning Terra's flip and said that if Terra was town, to go after Faddy and AB, and of course both weren't town aligned. So I'm not sure if that's goods reads or insider knowledge. null

Your point might make more sense if they were both scum or both town, but I can't think of anyway I could've known both of their alignments.

I'm on mobile so I don't want to quote that big post and have to crop it but you say you can't think of ANY role play that being forced to have a vote on them at day end would be an issue? You aren't thinking much then because I can think of two. Innocent child/celebrity and double voter.

Bolding AB's FA doesn't actually show anything. His still wasn't countering his alignment. It was a nerf in his role preventing him from reporting his searches.

I didn't mean that there aren't roles that it would impact just that I couldn't immediately think of some. I've only ever played with one innocent child and no double voters or celebrities before. The innocent child argument makes sense though as they would have to draw suspicion on themselves which could force them to use their power early.

I don't understand how anyone can have a read of Sketch rn

Didn't you town read OA yesterday when he had a total of three posts? Lol

Ok, I've tried 3 times to read every post Blarg has made and I'm still lost as a motherfucker.

At least he's saying actual words now.

 

[Blargonaut]

*snip*

I didn't mean that there aren't roles that it would impact just that I couldn't immediately think of some. I've only ever played with one innocent child and no double voters or celebrities before. The innocent child argument makes sense though as they would have to draw suspicion on themselves which could force them to use their power early.

*snip*

slaying me

What possible reason would a LVL.10 Taunt-spamming Innocent Child have for existing

yeah, thanks Crimson for making the most superfluous pro-Town Town-ass Role ever

Sorian threw chaff grenade into your eyes, don't be his yes-zombie

 

[Blargonaut]

scumFlux.

 

[Blargonaut]

btw Kark, what's your Forbidden Action?

 

[OceanicAir]

Your point might make more sense if they were both scum or both town, but I can't think of anyway I could've known both of their alignments.

Hmm, i see your point. It doesn't quite work out unless you were trying to fit in a scum and non-scum in the same read but by that point I'd just be trying to twist the narrative to suit my own preset thoughts. So I'll let that point die.

 

[Natiko]

slaying me

What possible reason would a LVL.10 Taunt-spamming Innocent Child have for existing

yeah, thanks Crimson for making the most superfluous pro-Town Town-ass Role ever

Sorian threw chaff grenade into your eyes, don't be his yes-zombie

I feel like you aren't actually thinking this through. What reason would there be for including an even night commuter that has to openly claim his role prior to even getting to utilize it? Why would there be an investigator that can never tell us he's an investigator?

They are meant to counteract. So why would an innocent child have an FA that makes him have to get votes? Because then he can't be a non-entity until late game and then get a mod verified claim. He will have to catch suspicion either through a self vote or aggroing votes on himself.

What's your stance now? That Flux, Sorian, and Kark are the remaining scum?

 

[StarSketch]

Wait doesn't Innocent Child by definition get mod role claimed right off the bat? It's literally the point of the role. Having someone who is 100% known to not be a potential scum player.
Without that, you may as well just be vanilla town.

I get that this is a near-bastard game, but come on.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

scumFlux.

So the basis of your argument that I'm scum is my forbidden action, which, btw, you somehow didn't grasp onto when I was being very open with it in the previous day phase. And are now attempting to make the entire conversation about.

You realize that, to fit anyone's narrative, other FAs can be twisted to finger someone as scum-aligned? OceanicAir? Ty4on?

You're someone who has been confusing and distracting since the start. You've blatantly lied, and no one can be sure about your own forbidden action because it's entirely suspect. And you somehow have the only FA that somehow directly lists other players, by name? What?

You're making the ridiculous claim that me and Karkador are in cahoots because he removed my FA and I verified it. What kind of stupid gambit would this be? Why would we even say anything about this? Why would another scum player even have the ability to remove the forbidden actions of their own teammates? And because your argument falls apart when you realize I voted for myself—instead of lying or just not talking about my FA and having a "scum-mate" vote for me, making it not seem suspicious—you come up with this gem of a condition: "that the vote has to be from a non-scum player." If it was something like that, then why would I then be able to vote for myself, eliminating the need to put myself out there as a "counter-balance to being scum"?

You come up with all these fabrications, misdirections and dumb ruses for whatever reason, which is starting to seem like you have your own ulterior motives. Now there's an arson in play that only you know about? After everything that's already happened and with the information we have?

Let me ask you, who are the players you think are the most town right now?

Also:

Vote: Blargonaut

 

[Bronx-Man]

Wait, so why did Blarg spend a full D1 with the shitposting?

 

[Ty4on]

Didn't you town read OA yesterday when he had a total of three posts? Lol

I sadly didn't :,(

The issue I have is Sketch' posts are so NAI. There are hardly any comments on the game or the players and mostly fluff.

Wait doesn't Innocent Child by definition get mod role claimed right off the bat? It's literally the point of the role. Having someone who is 100% known to not be a potential scum player.
Without that, you may as well just be vanilla town.

I get that this is a near-bastard game, but come on.

Nah, you can be an innocent child who can choose when to be confirmed through a day command. I was like that in my last game.

 

[Natiko]

Wait doesn't Innocent Child by definition get mod role claimed right off the bat? It's literally the point of the role. Having someone who is 100% known to not be a potential scum player.
Without that, you may as well just be vanilla town.

I get that this is a near-bastard game, but come on.

I thought that was for mini mafia? In Persona Verelios didn't get mod claimed off the bat if you recall.

 

[Natiko]

I sadly didn't :,(

The issue I have is Sketch' posts are so NAI. There are hardly any comments on the game or the players and mostly fluff.

My mistake, you null read him but said he seemed like his town self. As far as Star I still think she's playing just like she did in Persona. Has she been scum before? Did she act particularly different?

 

[StarSketch]

I sadly didn't :,(

The issue I have is Sketch' posts are so NAI. There are hardly any comments on the game or the players and mostly fluff.

Nah, you can be an innocent child who can choose when to be confirmed through a day command. I was like that in my last game.

I thought that was for mini mafia? In Persona Verelios didn't get mod claimed off the bat if you recall.

Oh ok

My mistake, you null read him but said he seemed like his town self. As far as Star I still think she's playing just like she did in Persona. Has she been scum before? Did she act particularly different?

I've been scum for half a game then I dropped.

 

[StarSketch]

Flux, you self voted D1, so I'm guessing that's why you said 'my FA basically makes my vote useless"-

If no one votes for you, you have to self vote.

 

[Sorian]

"Everyone's scum"

Not quite that simple and putting his argument down to its base elements like that is ignoring valid points.

Innocent Child is almost always a Town-aligned Role and if Flux is one then he'd better pull that handwavium outta his butt and stuff it in my face right now

What would a Doublevoter have to gain/lose by having to have a vote on them at the end of the Day, Role- or Alignment-wise? I can't think of any possible reason a Doublevoter would be affected by such an FA in either way, you're trippin'



yeah, to his scum-aligned team friends, Sorian

ergo, FA directly affecting Alignment play

case

match

point

He has to end the day with a vote on him. If he can't get someone else to do it then he has to waste his time voting himself which doesn't let him use his power. Believe me if you want it not but it's the same as how my FA stops me from using my role effectively.

What's the difference between AB and Terra in terms of reporting results to their teammates exactly?

 

[StarSketch]

...slow sketch is slow. This was already discussed.

 

[Blargonaut]

I feel like you aren't actually thinking this through. What reason would there be for including an even night commuter that has to openly claim his role prior to even getting to utilize it? Why would there be an investigator that can never tell us he's an investigator?

They are meant to counteract. So why would an innocent child have an FA that makes him have to get votes? Because then he can't be a non-entity until late game and then get a mod verified claim. He will have to catch suspicion either through a self vote or aggroing votes on himself.

firstly, you're assuming that Sorian's telling the truth about himself. That's a Bad stance to have, right there.

secondly, Inspector Abs Despairbro yes, couldn't present his insights to his Despair bros; I indeed concur that FAs seem to be built for counteractivity, I'm disagreeing with Sorian where he's touting that they're meant to counteract Roles only and not Alignments. I'm saying both, and the proof is in the abs pudding, which Sorian has been obfuscating.

Yes, you ARE repeating what I said in my blog last 50ppp page. An Innocent Child is supposed to be the holiest of all Town-aligned, and an FA that compels said Child to scrounge for votes would seem like an "excellent" counterbalance to that, no? Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying that the Innocent Child/Taunt-spam combo is impossible, I'm merely saying that it's highly improbable. It would be the red herring of red herrings.

If Flux is indeed such a pointless creature of a Role PM, then I'd rather get his holiness out of the way ASAP. I, for one, don't want to be second-guessing him until a Deus Ex "Oops, I'm Town" host-backed asspull during the late-game, when I could've been spending all those Days scum-hunting elsewho. Better to have him self-exonerated and/and removed from the board of play sooner rather than later, if that's him.

I, BELIEVE that's NOT him, since his claimed FA seems totally scum-Alignment counteractive, indeed, counteractive as a whole to that faction's raison d'etre. Hence my vote on scum-him.

What's your stance now? That Flux, Sorian, and Kark are the remaining scum?

oh, I think Flux is scum, for sure

Sorian's being Devillage Advocate, who knows why

Kark's in my way

 

[Blargonaut]

Wait, so why did Blarg spend a full D1 with the shitposting?

And you didn't?

 

[Blargonaut]

And you didn't?

 

[Bronx-Man]

And you didn't?

You bout to catch these hands.

 

[Sorian]

So Blarg, using your side of the coin on logic, what makes Flux's and OA's claimed FAs different?

 

[Sorian]

I chose Flux based on who talked about their FA on D1 and who seemed to be most in need.

Here are my notes on the matter:




Blank entries didn't claim or weren't clear about their FA (Blarg), or I didn't see it in my skim during the night phase.

- I considered OA because his claimed FA means he might wind up being an extra lynch for no reason. However, he's still mostly in control of that situation, I think, and it doesn't interfere with his own ability to vote.

- Flux seemed a bit more in need because he has to occupy his own vote saving himself, if nobody votes on him.

The other reason I chose him is that he was among the most trusted and non-controversial in D1, which means he'd be a good candidate to confirm my claim today.

Also, honestly surprised you haven't came at me for talking about a FA cop yesterday and then AB flipping as one.

 

[Natiko]

So Blarg, using your side of the coin on logic, what makes Flux's and OA's claimed FAs different?

I've mentioned this before as well. If Flux is scum based on that reasoning than OA likely is too and they both messed up by openly claiming their FAs.

 

[Karkador]

Kark's in my way

If you're Faddy#2, then sure, you're correct, but you have until the end of the game to make sure I'm gone; also, you might be lynched or NKed before then, anyway. Why should I die today just for your sake?

 

[kingkitty]

I might have skimmed over it, but what's your role name Kark?

 

[Sorian]

I was reading Faddy's role PM again. Though Kark as neutral makes sense from a balance perspective, I have to wonder if it makes sense with the info we have. Faddy dies if Kark lives to the end of the game and neutrals exit the game once they win. If we go with just what Kark has said (he can only remove two FAs) then his wincon would just be using both shots but that seems super easy so that doesn't work. If he is lying, his wincon would probably be something along the lines of removing all FAs from the current living pool or removing a certain FA. Those both make a lot more sense but giving Kark any way to exit the game on his own makes Faddy's role a lot easier.

Just random musings, all of that kind of removes Kark from the neutral shuffle but a case still could be made. Basically I think he is town if he is telling the truth about the 2-shot but neutral if he is lying, though that's not super helpful at the moment.

 

[Karkador]

I might have skimmed over it, but what's your role name Kark?

Ultimate Genius 🕶️

 

[Natiko]

Wait - if Blarg is telling the truth why is he angling to kill Kark? Kark can remove his FA. If they're both town as claimed why aren't they both just suggesting that themselves?

 

[Karkador]

Wait - if Blarg is telling the truth why is he angling to kill Kark? Kark can remove his FA. If they're both town as claimed why aren't they both just suggesting that themselves?

I could, but is that useful to Town? As of now, I don't see it

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Stanley has somehow contributed even less than I have and his last two posts were voting someone and then saying "eh, maybe he should live!" scummish

r

yeah its easy to say that when you just ignore all context and details and everything else about the situation that actually matters.

 

[Natiko]

I could, but is that useful to Town? As of now, I don't see it

Depends, if we believe you both then it means we aren't going to have town killing town simply to avoid an FA death. I more thought it was worth pointing out that neither of you bothered to even broach the topic. If Blarg is town then why didn't he even attempt to talk about this with you? Instead he went right to killing you tonight and even suggested that we should lynch you and give him full control of the kill instead. It doesn't exactly make me feel confident about Blarg.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

I could, but is that useful to Town? As of now, I don't see it

isnt blarg just going to kill you tonight regardless?

 

[Karkador]

isnt blarg just going to kill you tonight regardless?

Then I don't have to use my FA power on him

 

[Natiko]

isnt blarg just going to kill you tonight regardless?

Then I don't have to use my FA power on him

If he no longer has an FA why would he still kill Kark?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Blarg's more interested in killing Karkador and getting rid of his supposed forbidden action than entertaining the thought that Karkador could be town. I know for sure that he has to be the one who can remove FAs (though I'm obviously unsure about his alignment), but Blarg has to be skeptical about even that, for whatever reason.

 

[Sorian]

Wait - if Blarg is telling the truth why is he angling to kill Kark? Kark can remove his FA. If they're both town as claimed why aren't they both just suggesting that themselves?

If Blarg became Faddy then he also became neutral. Let's take the copycat claim at 100% face value for a second, I find it hard to believe that Blarg was town at the start, took Faddy's powers but still remained town. If he copied then he copied completely and became neutral. Kark is one of those destroy neutrals at all costs types and that's not exactly a secret so I doubt Blarg would have bothered trusting Kark to help him.

The real answer though is Blarg is bluffing and Kark is either doing his own thing anyway and doesn't care or finds Blarg to be useless to town and wouldn't want to remove his FA.

 

[Sorian]

Going to go afk for a bit to relax and play some games but as a parting note, is there a reason why Bronx has been useless today? The extent of his posts has been shit posting and throwing weak shade over Terra's death. I can also call out nin (who I'm voting for) and possibly Flush? I'm forgetting if he's actually posted today which isn't a good sign regardless.

Stanley and Star are still doing their own thing (ie Stanley shows up to comment on current events and Star watches intently and only really speaks when spoken too) which does zilch for reads but is something they do when town so meh there.

 

[Natiko]

kingkitty is such a nonentity Sorian forgot to even call out his lack of participation lol

 

[Sorian]

kingkitty is such a nonentity Sorian forgot to even call out his lack of participation lol

I did forget about him but I don't know if I would have mentioned him anyway, he's posted a few times today and still has his hard on about someone (blanking on who). He hasn't really done anything I find strange.

 

[CrimsonFist]

karkador (0)
sorian 1151 (1201)

fluxwavez (1)
karkador 1183 (1227)
blargonaut 1324

sorian (1)
karkador 1227

oceanicair (1)
natiko 1241
blargonaut 1290 (1324)

starsketch (1)
ty4on 1262

nin1000 (1)
sorian 1269
fluxwavez 1284 (1359)

blargonaut (1)
fluxwavez 1359

An up to date vote count can be found here.

Majority is 7

Day Ends:

 

[Bronx-Man]

WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT CARES THAT PEOPLE PUSHED A TOWNIE TO SUICIDE BASED OFF OF A FLIMSY AS HELL SCUM READ?!

Jesus christ, what is going on here?! We could've avoided having any townies dead on D1, but people kept pushing him because of what? A bluff? WHY WOULD TERRA BLUFF ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT?!

Like jesus christ, if there was any, any other game where this happened and I voted for Terra, I would have so many people up my ass right now. Because that's what always happens every game.

But multiple people out of nowhere encourage someone who was incredibly likely to be town, someone who ended up being our cop, to kill himself off and NO ONE ELSE SEES THE PROBLEM IN THIS?

Shit, for all we know, all the remaining scum could've been the ones encouraging Terra to do it. I'm not finishing any of this "crusade" until I get some goddamn answers.

 

[OceanicAir]

yeah its easy to say that when you just ignore all context and details and everything else about the situation that actually matters.

...Like what? What was the convincing argument between when you went to sleep and day end that caused you to flip from voting him to giving him a second chance? You're not exactly placing your thoughts out there.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

...Like what? What was the convincing argument between when you went to sleep and day end that caused you to flip from voting him to giving him a second chance? You're not exactly placing your thoughts out there.

my stance on blarg this entire game has been that i want to lynch blarg if he is just going to continue to be useless.

he is not being useless anymore.

 

[Sorian]

WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT CARES THAT PEOPLE PUSHED A TOWNIE TO SUICIDE BASED OFF OF A FLIMSY AS HELL SCUM READ?!

Jesus christ, what is going on here?! We could've avoided having any townies dead on D1, but people kept pushing him because of what? A bluff? WHY WOULD TERRA BLUFF ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT?!

Like jesus christ, if there was any, any other game where this happened and I voted for Terra, I would have so many people up my ass right now. Because that's what always happens every game.

But multiple people out of nowhere encourage someone who was incredibly likely to be town, someone who ended up being our cop, to kill himself off and NO ONE ELSE SEES THE PROBLEM IN THIS?

Shit, for all we know, all the remaining scum could've been the ones encouraging Terra to do it. I'm not finishing any of this "crusade" until I get some goddamn answers.

So much for me being afk.

A few points,

If you are going to keep claiming that multiple people pushed him to suicide and then keep throwing out the same list of people who were simply voting for him, I assume you can find quotes and examples for everyone on said list pushing him into doing it? Because as it is, your accusation is lazy and amounts to "these people voted wrong, they must be bad" which has a ton of fallacies.

Second, stop with the sob story about "if I did this, people would be soooooo mad at me" No one cares.

Third, suddenly he's incredibly likely to be town however I didn't see you rooting that horn before he died. You're using hindsight bias in your accusations without even having the benefit of having been right about him in the first place.

Fourth, "why would Terra bluff" seriously? What do you think scum does when they are about to die? Roll over? They bluff and gambit to try to get out of it. His behavior fell completely in line with that, he was town and that's why scum does shit like that because town does it too.

Don't worry Bronx, I'm getting to you, I don't think anyone is really falling for your shit.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT CARES THAT PEOPLE PUSHED A TOWNIE TO SUICIDE BASED OFF OF A FLIMSY AS HELL SCUM READ?!

Jesus christ, what is going on here?! We could've avoided having any townies dead on D1, but people kept pushing him because of what? A bluff? WHY WOULD TERRA BLUFF ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT?!

Like jesus christ, if there was any, any other game where this happened and I voted for Terra, I would have so many people up my ass right now. Because that's what always happens every game.

But multiple people out of nowhere encourage someone who was incredibly likely to be town, someone who ended up being our cop, to kill himself off and NO ONE ELSE SEES THE PROBLEM IN THIS?

Shit, for all we know, all the remaining scum could've been the ones encouraging Terra to do it. I'm not finishing any of this "crusade" until I get some goddamn answers.

now my memory of the whole thing is far from perfect (thanks to you all giving me like 4 pages to catch up on only for the day to end on a dud)
but i think you are kinda overstating how much terra was 'pushed' off that cliff.
people bizzarely entertained the idea when he first brought it up, as the day nearded its end very few seemed to be pushing him at all,
terras suicide was pretty squarely on his own hands, and its not in our ability to stop a player from doing something stupid if they really have their heart set on it.

your acting like a secret cabal cornered him chanting "JUMP! JUMP! JUMP!"

 

[OceanicAir]

my stance on blarg this entire game has been that i want to lynch blarg if he is just going to continue to be useless.

he is not being useless anymore.

Again, what did he do by day's end after you voted him that caused you to change your mind? Because you wanted to give him a second chance before he started posting today.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Again, what did he do by day's end after you voted him that caused you to change your mind? Because you wanted to give him a second chance before he started posting today.

he started being useful.
in between me sleeping and the day ending he started communicating, and actually playing this game, negating the primary reason i wanted him lynched.

and then he also didnt die, and im not going to pigheadedly demand his lynch for another full day if he could continue his seemingly upward trend of usefulness.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Third, suddenly he's incredibly likely to be town however I didn't see you rooting that horn before he died. You're using hindsight bias in your accusations without even having the benefit of having been right about him in the first place.

I said multiple times that scum reading Terra was a dumb idea, nitwit.

 

[StarSketch]

I said multiple times that scum reading Terra was a dumb idea, nitwit.

Bronx, calm down.