Ahhh so you think they're playing the long game, trying to mess with our minds? Pretty cool strategy, but probably a bit risky for them as they have to bank on us lynching the PRs.
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Danganronpa Mafia |OT| Grin and Bear It
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Ahhh so you think they're playing the long game, trying to mess with our minds? Pretty cool strategy, but probably a bit risky for them as they have to bank on us lynching the PRs.
CornBurrito
Member
Well yeah, I just think redacted is more likely than AB.
CornBurrito wants to do it, at least.
I'm considering joining him on an AB vote.
Was redacted seen on N1? I think Pau said she only saw then started N2.
Reason i said that was because of my belief that Czar was protecting someone from N1. Pau seems fairly certain that redacted couldn't have done the kill N2. I'm willing to trust her for now.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Okay, this is really weird. Something is def. up, I have a very hard time believing that the Despair would willingly miss two nights in a row.
I have one question, is there ANY reason at all for why we should not throw out all the secrecy and make the names mandatory at this point? I know that not all the names are mafia, but the fact that if you see them they see you is really starting to bug me. I'm not asking for mass role claims, but I do feel that redacting names at this point is just going to be doing more harm than good.
I have one question, is there ANY reason at all for why we should not throw out all the secrecy and make the names mandatory at this point? I know that not all the names are mafia, but the fact that if you see them they see you is really starting to bug me. I'm not asking for mass role claims, but I do feel that redacting names at this point is just going to be doing more harm than good.
We can't go back once they've come out, so you need to explain how it helps us. It hurts us if more town power roles are exposed.
The only person I can think of him protecting is AbsolutBro.
I don't think using it early was a bad play on Despair's part. After all, they killed a doctor/nurse. I don't think it necessitates protecting someone else, although I won't exclude the possibility.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Because it's day five and the likelyhood that they're already exposed without us knowing is incredibly high. At least if we exposed them ourselves we would know as well, and maybe even plan walking routes to weed out scum one at a time.
Assuming there are no NEET Despair players. And as I type that I realize there probably is a NEET player, regardless of alliance.
He's calling them bums, basically. : P
I wish it were a crazy conspiracy reason, but its actually just plain stupidity. I didn't notice that my vote was the hammer until I posted. My reason for voting when I did was to get a vote in for the day; it was the last chance I had to get one in. If I had paid more attention to where we were at vote-wise, I would have abstained to let the day play out.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Shit I forgot I'm supposed to keep track of votes in this game.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Good Morning everyone! I'm the new transfer student, Christina Mackenzie. I'm sorry but I haven't been able to keep up with the classwork since my arrival but I'll try my best. Please go easy on me and let's work together to win as a team!
Congrats to everyone for surviving the night.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Transfer Student the day after a no kill night... And it's a FEMALE?!?!
I don't buy it, quick, everyone bandwagon!
I don't buy it, quick, everyone bandwagon!
Welcome to the madhouse!
CornBurrito
Member
Simple. Redacted is almost certainly the killer. If possible, I'd like Pau to explain why she thinks redacted is worth protecting. So long as she can explain without giving away who redacted is.
AbsolutBro
Member
It's possible the Despair players are targeting the Cafeteria/Workshop/Pool/Basketball Court in hopes of getting more than one player, and not just the alleged lovers. I wander, they could randomly kill me as well.
Yes, N2 I ended up at Terrabyte's. If I take your list at face value (and assume you are not Despair) then Sawneeks is incredibly suspect.
Keep in mind that, barring PR powers, Despair equaling Hope players in number is essentially game over. They can force a No Punishment and kill us at night until they have the votes to win.
I have no idea who or what a 3P faction would be up to, so I won't rule out the possibility of their existence, but it's possible the text is not anything special.
I'd seriously go for -redacted- then. I mean, if I were you. Clearly I'm me, and I know I'm hope, so...
Or we actually take that lying liar face at his lying word that he wanted to spice up the game. I mean, I fully understand why someone wouldn't, but it is a possibility.
I know you didn't ask me specifically Corn, but my lists are:
N1 (Franconp): Pau, Czar
N2 (Terra): Pau, SalvaPot, <other>
N3 (Zipp): Pau
N4 (Goshu): Pau, <other>
To be clear, <other> from N2 and N4 are the same person. It's possible that this person is the same as -redacted-, but I have no real way of knowing.
In case they're Hope. If Sawneeks and/or AbsolutBro are Despair, then Despair already know who *redacted* is. But who knows.
Hmm, only seeing me on N3 does make a better case against *redacted*, but you could be lying to frame 'em.
I'm willing to give up *redacted's* name if there's overwhelming support for it and Ty4on agrees. But for now I think I'd rather just see people talking.
Hey now, we ladies have to stick together! Strength in numbers and some such. And throwing the new kid on the block under the bus is awfully suspicious....
I kid. Welcome to the fun!
Seeing as I have also seen this 'mystery' night player I will throw in why I don't think we should out them. This person has been moving since Night 2, possibly even Night 1 but I need to double check the map, so this means that this person is a 'sleep walker' of sorts and always moves or is a PR that has been using their respective power. As we still haven't made heads-or-tails of the possibility of a Ninja we shouldn't throw out that idea, meaning a couple things.
Meaning that while a lot of us have seen this person that doesn't automatically mean they are Despair. If there is a Ninja then we couldn't see them but seeing as we don't know that...
There are too many what-ifs for me to comfortably out this person. They could be Hope, they could be Despair, they could be a sleep Walker, they could have a big PR. I don't have a good feeling either way and I am comfortable waiting on it. If things continue the way they are I am also comfortable throwing a vote their way but, for now, it's too hard to tell.
Welcome! Are you the Super Duper High School Gundam?
I personally don't like the idea of forcing someone's name out. How about this - let that person come forward themselves if they believe it's a good idea for Hope. Let's put the burden on them. It's now D5, we are probably mid game or so. If they believe it's a good idea to roleclaim then I say go for it. If they remain quiet for the next few day phases too...then you know something is up (whether that's good or bad I don't know).
Hey now, we ladies have to stick together! Strength in numbers and some such. And throwing the new kid on the block under the bus is awfully suspicious....
I kid. Welcome to the fun!
It's great the number of girls we have in this game. The number itself may seem small, but I come from a field in which these percentages are actually pretty encouraging lol (engineering).
And the percentage will get even better if guys keep dying.
Which I find funny considering this was your original reason for voting:
'Casting your vote to get it in for the day' is fine and it's why I voted early as well ( that and I was away when the day was scheduled to end ) but your reasoning isn't lining up. What changed? Both Kalor and myself posted that we voted because we would 'forget' or 'not be here' but you mention neither up until now. It feels suspicious.
And the percentage will get even better if guys keep dying.
I think that settles it then. Time to make our own team in this school.
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To elaborate on this: I soft-implied I would share more information by the end the day (in addition to the general consensus not to end early). This was quickly followed by the three votes needed to end the day, at least one of which was cast by Despair. I'm obviously suspicious of both Kalor and TL21xx at this point, and I actually found Kalor's vote a lot more suspicious - he claimed he was voting in case he forgot later... but so what if he forgot? His vote also came in before Tim's, making it less conspicuous, I expected Tim to make the last vote of the day.
I'm not letting TL21xx off the hook either, his vote was a bad move regardless of alignment
CornBurrito
Member
Weren't you one of the people pushing the "dont believe in the Ninja because Czartim pushed that theory." thing?
Meanwhile, this is hugely fucking important. Czartim was the killer on N1. I'm also fairly certain that -someone- sold Crab's alignment away to Despair. If it wasn't you, it might have been another wanderer on N2. This mysterious wanderer that you and Pau seem hellbent on protecting for some reason.
Meanwhile Czartim claimed one shot cop. For that sake, we know he wasn't the killer on N2 at least. If redacted started wandering on N2 don't you think that's suspicious? Was he seen by you on N1 or not?
If this redacted only began showing up since N2 that would strongly suggest they are the new Despair killer.
CornBurrito
Member
Meanwhile if redacted has been waking around every night since N2 (or possibly even N1 according to Sawneeks) then it's nearly impossible for Despair to not have seen them in the event that they are Hope.
Why bother hiding their identity? That seems something only Despair would want to do.
Why bother hiding their identity? That seems something only Despair would want to do.
I voted as I wanted to have a vote on CzarTim and I didn't think I would be around for the end of the day so I placed it then. I wasn't expecting anyone else to vote after that except CzarTim. In retrospect I shouldn't of voted since we were so close to a majority but as I said I didn't expect anyone else to vote.
As for last night, I wasn't expecting another no kill night. The idea of Despair targetting a facility seems possible but who knows. They might of wanted to get two kills to compensate for the first no kill night.
Why?
I like having a vote on people most of the time. Even if CzarTim was going to get lynched with or without my vote I wanted to have a vote. I recognise that it wasn't a wise choice but I voted with the assumption that no-one else would vote. It's a poor explanation but I just didn't think my vote through before commiting to it yesterday.
Dang it, I hate it when I break the code! Reposting for clarity:
I posted that because 1, I didn't realize I was the hammer (and seriously, do you think someone would post that if they were trying to be remotely inconspicuous?), and 2, because I wasn't happy about the snail's pace of the day (posts were nowhere near as productive during that phase, and I was trying to get that across in the text of the post). Trust me, I knew I was in for a coal raking the second the day ended.
I posted that because 1, I didn't realize I was the hammer (and seriously, do you think someone would post that if they were trying to be remotely inconspicuous?), and 2, because I wasn't happy about the snail's pace of the day (posts were nowhere near as productive during that phase, and I was trying to get that across in the text of the post). Trust me, I knew I was in for a coal raking the second the day ended.
Royal_Flush
Member
Pau, can I again have a list from you similar from the one AB gave?
Ty4on, did you see anything on your way to wherever you met Pau?
I think it's no disadvantage for us to know the -redacted- people as Despair most likely already saw him or her, but keep it to yourself for now; we have more than enough time left this day. I have to think about this.
Ty4on, did you see anything on your way to wherever you met Pau?
I think it's no disadvantage for us to know the -redacted- people as Despair most likely already saw him or her, but keep it to yourself for now; we have more than enough time left this day. I have to think about this.
Royal_Flush
Member
Huh, I understood it as if you were only moving N1. All meet-ups with other known (and anonymized with unknown) Fight Club members please.
Royal_Flush
Member
In the meantime, as you guys seem to love lists, here is Royal_Flush's Despair-list (TM) with how likely I think players are Despair based mainly on D4 (including discussions about what happened on prior days):
Kalor 85% - Your name only pops up one time in my note as the acting person (as opposed to being mentioned by someone else). That one time is not voting for CzarTim. Low activity isn't necessary a scumtell. No meaningful contribution is.
Terrabyte20xx 80% - Really weird play D4. I don't like this hole "But Despair would have done xy" defense strategy. It's exactly what I would do if I was despair. We however think similar about Fight-Club hence no higher percentage.
Rest 80% - Again very little contribution that I deemed note-worthy. Unnecessary heat against sawneeks at the beginning of D5. Additional point we can disregard if Kalor flips Hope: Kalor voted for you on D4 instead of CzarTim. This is a perfect opportunity to have a meaningless vote on a scumbuddy.
TL21xx 80% - Only noteworthy contribution I found wasn't that helpful at all (3121)
kingkitty 75% - Only noteworthy contribution was a recap of votings (2998). That takes some time but does not include any opinions. A very safe "useful post" for Despair.
Zippedpinhead 60% - You want to resolve the issue people had with you (3019) yet don't defend yourself but write stuff about CzarTim's actions. Then you just throw heat on *splinter. Trying to jump onto this CornBurrito post from beginning of D4?
Barrylocke 50% - No reads whatsoever. Likely for RL reasons as he got replaced. Hi Christina. You will form my opinion of this character.
Sawneeks 50% - That whole bandwagon just came from "because crab said so", right? I think you have been quite useful so far but someting about your roleclaim bugs me. I just cant quite put my finger on it.
*splinter 45% - I bought that CornBurrito post but you redeemed yourself during D4 for the most part. People should just note that the spreadsheet of yours well could be have made within the hour between your announcment of posting it and actually posting it.
Makai 45% - I'm not sure I buy this Roleclaim. Otherwise I see you as easily distracted Hope. Will keep an eye on you.
swamped 40% - I had you down as a sure Hope player but looking at my notes I'm not sure why. Must be an overall impression.
goshujinsama 35% - Mostly useful posts I agree with.
CornBurrito 30% - Wild theories all over the place. But I don't feel any bad intentions in it. Maybe think things through to the end before making posts and going in tunnel-mode.
AbsolutBro 10% - Complete transparency. I buy the sleepwalker claim.
Pau 5% - I can spot no inconsitencies in the Lovers-story.
Ty4on 5% - I can spot no inconsitencies in the Lovers-story.
Kalor 85% - Your name only pops up one time in my note as the acting person (as opposed to being mentioned by someone else). That one time is not voting for CzarTim. Low activity isn't necessary a scumtell. No meaningful contribution is.
Terrabyte20xx 80% - Really weird play D4. I don't like this hole "But Despair would have done xy" defense strategy. It's exactly what I would do if I was despair. We however think similar about Fight-Club hence no higher percentage.
Rest 80% - Again very little contribution that I deemed note-worthy. Unnecessary heat against sawneeks at the beginning of D5. Additional point we can disregard if Kalor flips Hope: Kalor voted for you on D4 instead of CzarTim. This is a perfect opportunity to have a meaningless vote on a scumbuddy.
TL21xx 80% - Only noteworthy contribution I found wasn't that helpful at all (3121)
kingkitty 75% - Only noteworthy contribution was a recap of votings (2998). That takes some time but does not include any opinions. A very safe "useful post" for Despair.
Zippedpinhead 60% - You want to resolve the issue people had with you (3019) yet don't defend yourself but write stuff about CzarTim's actions. Then you just throw heat on *splinter. Trying to jump onto this CornBurrito post from beginning of D4?
Barrylocke 50% - No reads whatsoever. Likely for RL reasons as he got replaced. Hi Christina. You will form my opinion of this character.
Sawneeks 50% - That whole bandwagon just came from "because crab said so", right? I think you have been quite useful so far but someting about your roleclaim bugs me. I just cant quite put my finger on it.
*splinter 45% - I bought that CornBurrito post but you redeemed yourself during D4 for the most part. People should just note that the spreadsheet of yours well could be have made within the hour between your announcment of posting it and actually posting it.
Makai 45% - I'm not sure I buy this Roleclaim. Otherwise I see you as easily distracted Hope. Will keep an eye on you.
swamped 40% - I had you down as a sure Hope player but looking at my notes I'm not sure why. Must be an overall impression.
goshujinsama 35% - Mostly useful posts I agree with.
CornBurrito 30% - Wild theories all over the place. But I don't feel any bad intentions in it. Maybe think things through to the end before making posts and going in tunnel-mode.
AbsolutBro 10% - Complete transparency. I buy the sleepwalker claim.
Pau 5% - I can spot no inconsitencies in the Lovers-story.
Ty4on 5% - I can spot no inconsitencies in the Lovers-story.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Royal_Flush,
As I stated in 3019, I had started that post to defend myself after sawneeks posted, but in looking into why sawneeks Was suspicious of me, it turned into me being very suspicious of *splinter and why I really didn't/don't trust him. I did never defend myself, my repost was to outline the launch pad that went into my research.
My research had little to nothing to do with cornburrito's vote for *splinter, and it's why I defended my research with *splinter throughout the day. I agree that spreadsheet, especially with the long amount of time between "hold on posts" and then evidence is very suspicious.
*splinter, what ever happened to your big analysis post from day4? It could still be useful today.
As I stated in 3019, I had started that post to defend myself after sawneeks posted, but in looking into why sawneeks Was suspicious of me, it turned into me being very suspicious of *splinter and why I really didn't/don't trust him. I did never defend myself, my repost was to outline the launch pad that went into my research.
My research had little to nothing to do with cornburrito's vote for *splinter, and it's why I defended my research with *splinter throughout the day. I agree that spreadsheet, especially with the long amount of time between "hold on posts" and then evidence is very suspicious.
*splinter, what ever happened to your big analysis post from day4? It could still be useful today.
I guess you mean the info I said I'd share end of day 4? I was referring to the other pages of my spreadsheet. I had been planning to catch up during the night and share it today, but I've been sick as a dog over the weekend so that didn't happen. Since it isn't complete I might as well keep working on it and share it closer to end of day
Reducing my vote on Rest to being meaningless is sort of missing out on some stuff at happened at the end of D3. At the end of D3 Rest didn't have a vote on anyone which stood out a lot. Therefore I voted for Rest off the bat on D4 so that they could explain their lack of a vote. Since their explanation revolved around being busy I couldn't exactly argue with that.
Trying to place me and Rest together as Despair seems odd as I've been suspicious of Rest since D1 and was vocal about it on that first day. If I was Despair then I wouldn't be focusing a vote on another Despair on the first day.
CornBurrito
Member
Where's AbsoluteBro? Maybe he saw Redacted too and is willing to out him?
I'd like, when they get a chance, for Pau or Typhon to explain why they think hiding the identity of Redacted helps Hope. I've layed out my reasoning for why redacted OR AB is likely to be Despair. Pau didn't seem to disagree.
Sawneeks claims she saw redacted as well, but we don't know if it is the same one that Pau saw. But if so, Sawneeks saw them on N2,N3,N4. Feel free to explain to me the likelihood that redacted is Hope and NOT yet seen by Despair. Because if they are wandering every night (except the first, where Czartim was the killer hmmmmmmmmm) there's like zero chance Despair didn't see them.
I'd like, when they get a chance, for Pau or Typhon to explain why they think hiding the identity of Redacted helps Hope. I've layed out my reasoning for why redacted OR AB is likely to be Despair. Pau didn't seem to disagree.
Sawneeks claims she saw redacted as well, but we don't know if it is the same one that Pau saw. But if so, Sawneeks saw them on N2,N3,N4. Feel free to explain to me the likelihood that redacted is Hope and NOT yet seen by Despair. Because if they are wandering every night (except the first, where Czartim was the killer hmmmmmmmmm) there's like zero chance Despair didn't see them.
I'm not hellbent on protecting them. I just think waiting a bit wouldn't hurt.
CzarTim could have easily killed SalvaPot without anyone seeing him. Or with only his fellow Despair seeing him.
*redacted* didn't kill SalvaPot unless there was switching involved or some other power. I'm going with the simplest explanation that SalvaPot was targeted because Despair saw him N1. Feels way too lucky if Despair targeted whomever he switched with. Wouldn't make sense to switch with another PR... maybe Sawneeks or Crab? But why not switch some other player with them and not risk yourself.
N1: AbsolutBro, CzarTim
N2: AbsolutBro, SalvaPot, *redacted*
N3: AbsolutBro, *redacted*
N4: AbsolutBro, *redacted*
CornBurrito
Member
On mobile ( and at work) so I will get to the other questions later but I need to clear this up first.
No idea where you got the info that I moved on Night 2, 3, and 4. I only moved on Night 1 and Night 3.
Night 1: CzarTim, SalvaPot, and Crab
Night 3: *redacted*
Also note I have only ever moved to the left of my room.
Royal_Flush
Member
As I said, mainly based on D4. I didn't go through D1 in detail.
OK, so looking over all posts you made D1 (about half of your overall post count). That's an odd definition of "vocal" you have there. You engage with Rest in exactly one post D1 (577) only to move your vote to Hagi once Rest gained a majority (1080). You also caused a tie doing this.
Also: Why do you not respond to the text behind your name?
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Thanks to Pau and sawneeks for the lists. Pau, can you tell me in which direction you two went each day? Are the person listed only persons you saw or also persons only Ty4on saw?
CornBurrito
Member
I actually don't think Pau should give away any specific info on her movement.