Dark Souls 2 Lighting changes/Downgrade

doofy102 said:
I'm just tired of people saying things to him like, "You have to admit though the graphics are worse." What's the point? We don't need him at all to push this.

edit: looking forward to his lore and interesting facts vids though
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I would never say those things, did you read the Twitter thread? Also check my Edit above.
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I've been following this thread since the beginning. All I have to say is that it is insane how Namco can get away with this false advertising without even bothering to provide some sort of explanation. Ridiculous. Hopefully the PC version will have the missing lighting/geometry/gameplay mechanics but I highly doubt it.
 
yea i think vaati and enb can be just labeled as enthusiast press which is basically useless right now

like i'm really interested in the content they're gonna produce but their opinions are probably gonna be clouded by their love of the game
 
As happy as I am with the game, an explanation is pretty much a necessity at this point.

I could understand if the PC version looks like that, but if all those assets are just gone, and were clearly intended to mislead an audience, then I'll lose a bit of respect for FROM SOFT.

Not that any of this would stop me from buying a next-gen Dark Souls 3, anyway.
 
Geez, the video really shows the differences. Though the exterior of the building, honestly, looks better in the retail version, the old version looked incredibly washed out.

The whole thing screams of a last-minute change to cut down on lighting and extraneous environment details to keep the framerate up.
 
Nibel said:
Is this really a downgrade or maybe just changes in art direction?
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I remember watching the original trailer thinking this was going to be for the new gen consoles, so I'm not surprised it's visually not as good as first made out due to it being released on PS3 & 360.

I'm really hoping it does really well so From Software release a new gen version.
 
Man, it would have been a lot less damaging if they'd been a little more upfront about this. Hope it's not too big of a deal because I still want to see them do well.

/edit: I guess the one upside to all this is that it's made it a lot easier to resist rebuying a PS3 just to play this game. Hopefully the PC version will have some of the missing effects.
 
Metroid-Squadron said:
Found footage of the mansion of the dragons. There's no way anybody anywhere can't claim this game hasn't been completely gutted. Just look at this shit, LOOK AT THIS SHIT:

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LOOK AT THE PLAYER'S SHADOW

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They've totally killed the look of this place.

The atmosphere is gone and everything is now grey. Something serious must of happened during development for them to scale back their vision so much.

This is very disappointing.
 
Psycho_Mantis said:
It won't. I don't why people still believe this lol. FROM ain't going to use new geometry, assets, and a lighting system for a PC version.
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I probably won't buy it if it's true and just give it a rental, Demon's and Dark Souls are some of my favorite games ever but I can't approve of false advertisement and pretty much BS.
 
Soriku said:
lol. Many more possibilities...

Serious question though. Do you guys think if this game were in the hands of more competent devs, would it be possible for the game to retain the original (intended?) look throughout the whole game, or is it really beyond the scope of current gen consoles?
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No other developer can deliver a souls game.

Weird that this thread has devolved into gifs and idiotic "jokes". You're all hurting your cause. And I doubt you'll get much out of Vaati and EpicNameBro. They're just dudes who love this series, probably as much as me.
 
I'm still disappointed about being deceived, but the game is pretty fucking awesome so far. I can't stand looking at the screens/videos in this thread and knowing what could have been, but at least what's there is compelling enough to soothe the pain a little bit.
 
EvilKatarn said:
No other developer can deliver a souls game.

Weird that this thread has devolved into gifs and idiotic "jokes". You're all hurting your cause. And I doubt you'll get much out of Vaati and EpicNameBro. They're just dudes who love this series, probably as much as me.
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Yea, hounding those guys is silly.

Vaati is just a popular fan.

ENB is a fan who worked on the strategy guide.

I doubt we'll hear anything from FROM until the PC version is released.
 
So what do you guys think are reasonable expectations for the PC release?
Qualitiy of the images in the Steam Store?
The missing effects will be activated? It probably won't have different textures, right?
 
Sylvatica said:
So what do you guys think are reasonable expectations for the PC release?
Qualitiy of the images in the Steam Store?
The missing effects will be activated? It probably won't have different textures, right?
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higher resolution textures

being able to choose game resolution and minimum graphical settings. maybe subtitles.

good framerate. hopefully uncapped

that's it
 
The quality of the PC version will probably be a question of whether the PC version was actually the lead platform, and whether From stripped it down like the console versions (I honestly don't see why they'd even bother, though). We'll have to wait and see on that, I think.
 
AJLma said:
As happy as I am with the game, an explanation is pretty much a necessity at this point.

I could understand if the PC version looks like that, but if all those assets are just gone, and were clearly intended to mislead an audience, then I'll lose a bit of respect for FROM SOFT.

Not that any of this would stop me from buying a next-gen Dark Souls 3, anyway.
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Yeah the weirdest part is the fact that they clearly made higher quality art assets and the rendering engine rendered those assets. So what the hell happened? Unless, of course, those assets only existed for the purposes of hype generation. But I just don't buy that FromSoft's artists made a tiny part of the game in a higher quality and the rest is pretty much comparable to Demon's/Dark Souls. They must have made all the assets at a relatively high quality and then scaled down since it's easy to simply scale down.
 
EvilKatarn said:
No other developer can deliver a souls game.

Weird that this thread has devolved into gifs and idiotic "jokes". You're all hurting your cause. And I doubt you'll get much out of Vaati and EpicNameBro. They're just dudes who love this series, probably as much as me.
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Obviously. I'm just talking hypothetically if there was a dev out there other than From who could deliver a Souls game, or if From had better programmers and such.

unround said:
ENB responded to someone on youtube:

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It doesn't really sound like he knows anything. I think we're going to have to hear a statement directly from From. Not Namco and their roundabout PR who aren't involved in development.
 
unround said:
ENB responded to someone on youtube:

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The problem is not the console, it's From not being able to write stable code. It's quite obvious that much, much, nicer visuals have been achieved on these systems.

I'm not saying they have to match AAA products, but this is just shoddy work. And I think it's understandable that some things happen and changes have to be made, but not like this. This is just weird. There's no good explanation for why several months from release all of this content had to be cut at the last second. This is something they would have known about for at least a year. Seems really dishonest to me.
 
unround said:
ENB responded to someone on youtube:

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I'm still taking issue with the fact that we've seen the game looking much better on real hardware. Maybe it wasn't possible to achieve that quality throughout the game, but surely they could have optimized the game on a per area basis instead of removing everything.

Really seems like something more happened here. I wonder what's going on?
 
Crab Milk Mickey said:
The fire salamander part (your screen cap basically) is fucking nasty. Can you do a follow-up video whenever you reach the Mansion of the Dragon, as it was called during the reveal? The changes there are even more drastic, as evidenced by those shots that someone else posted in here.
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I'd really like to see this part of the game too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z_JFDPCtXFY#t=461

Particularly when the enemy smashes through the wall - I doubt it will look anything like that.
 
doofy102 said:
Oh give me a break. The PS3/360 is not that constraining. From just sucks.
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The Souls games are resource intensive games. They have been since Demon's Souls, they do a lot of things other games mask or don't even attempt.

There's a lot more going on than what's immediately on the screen.

EDIT: Compare the visuals of Dark Souls 1 and 2 to AAA budget RPG's like Fable 3, Dragon Age 2 or Dragon's Dogma. The only one that even compares in scope is Dragon's Dogma, and the IQ in that game is much worse than either DS1 or 2. As disappointing as the downgrade is, what FROM is pulling off on these machines is still remarkable.
 
Mauricio_Magus said:
Now what did I do? :p

I really really love Demon's Souls, I remember buying that game just because Atlus brought it and before the whole internet went crazy about it, that as a good choice.
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if Dark and Demons were truly some of your FAVORITE GAMES OF ALL TIMES, you wouldn't 'boycott' the sequel because of some lighting change. The game is fucking amazing, I already played 17 hours today. Don't be a dope, it's still better than pretty much every other game out there even with poop lighting.
 
dark10x said:
I'm still taking issue with the fact that we've seen the game looking much better on real hardware. Maybe it wasn't possible to achieve that quality throughout the game, but surely they could have optimized the game on a per area basis instead of removing everything.

Really seems like something more happened here. I wonder what's going on?
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Maybe some crazy intern decided to fuck everything up towards the end of development without them realizing...
 
stfuppercut said:
if Dark and Demons were truly some of your FAVORITE GAMES OF ALL TIMES, you wouldn't 'boycott' the sequel because of some lighting change. The game is fucking amazing, I already played 17 hours today. Don't be a dope, it's still better than pretty much every other game out there even with poop lighting.
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My girlfriend already bought it for PS3, so worst case scenario I'll just play that copy, believe me I just need to hear some good news about the PC version and I'll bite.
 
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