I don't think the wired thing makes any sense. Movies which go against the formula have garnered more success like Thor Ragnarok, GOTG, CA:WS, etc. and movies which are 'bland' and generic like AMATW have failed. Ofcourse there are outliers like Captain Marvel but they can piggyback the success of consistently successful movies coming after them and before them. That is unfortunately not possible with DC movies due to the inconsistency in quality of the movies.
I'll have to disagree about your Guardians and Ragnarok assessment, nearly every movie is inspired by others, that doesn't means they are following a formula.
You were saying about Gotg and Ragnarok being inspired by space operas so they are not as apart from the formula as people claim. That I believe is not a valid reason.
Ragnorok and GOTG are two prime examples of the MCU formula. Ragnorok went as far to abandon their previous “Thor” character and reinvent him as a slapstick comedian based on what worked in their other movies. GOTG turned pretty much the entire cast, including Drax who is supposedly a badass warrior, into goofball comedians. Beyond the ridiculous characterizations, the bright color palettes to make them kid friendly, the boilerplate plot lines, the incessant quips... classic MCU.
It also doesn't help that you could shave off an hour of film time if the action scenes weren't in slow motion...
I read all of this and just heard farting noises the whole time.
No genre is compatible with anything. You have to make it work. MCU has done that again and again. You have thrillers, high school movie, space opera, heist movies, etc.
I respect that it's not for everyone and it's quite a risk to put the all of these characters in the hands of someone with such a grim intention. But I'd maintain that this kind of artistic risk, which I admit aligns with my own selfish preferences, is still objectively better than a corporatized playbook of what can and cannot be done. Like I said, there would have been the first JL movie and several character installments before the big f'ed up storyline, including for all of the core JL members, which is more than can be said for the Avengers before Endgame.
This is subjective, and it's clear that there's tons of fans out there who strongly prefer Snyder's vision of these characters. However, if the goal is to do business that equates to Infinity War level box office receipts, then yes, Snyder's approach to these films is not going to get there. In order to do Avengers box office numbers you need a film that appeals to the lowest common denominator, thus making the films accessible to as many people as possible. The violent and brooding nature of Snyder's work is for sure going to be off-putting to a large percentage of children, women, and soyboys.
There's really no reason that every character needs it's own movie to set the ground for a Justice League film. "Marvel did it" isn't evidence that a Justice League movie can't be done without everybody having to watch an 3 hour movie on each Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg. Snyder's version of Justice League went much further into the history of the characters that were introduced in the movie (just look at the trailer) and will hopefully do a much better job of making the film feel like an earned experience for each of the characters.
You understand that directing animation is a completely different skillset than directing films? Snyder is a very accomplished film director and has a very passionate following of fans. Regardless of how things play out with DC, he's going to be more than fine going forward.
The comic or animation option was just because I believe his fans deserve some kind of a closure. I do feel he can make much better movies and his style would suit dark action and thriller movies very well. He is wasting his time on these.
About characters, if you read the comics you'll know what I'm talking about. At first I wasn't too irked by his choices but as I read more comics, I realized Snyder got them all wrong just to be edgy. Batman is dark but he doesn't kills people, it is very very integral to his character, if you get that wrong then it tells everything about your vision. This is why I feel his version of characters should have been an elseworlds story not the main thing.
Check out Batman: Under The Red Hood and The Dark Knight Returns Pt.1 and Pt.2. Some of the best movies I've seen and easily the best animated hero movies.
This is Zack Snyder's Batman, not the Batman from comic books that was created at a time when women weren't allowed to leave the house without a chaperone. I'm not sure how Batman's "no-kill" policy was ever integral to his character other than to make him more marketable to children back in the 60's. Under the Red Hood puts the spotlight on just how non-sensical that policy is. The Joker has killed thousands of people who would be alive if Batman had the balls to end him. And the best excuse Batman can come up with is, "if I killed him, I wouldn't be able to stop." You wouldn't be able to stop killing violent criminals who commit atrocities on innocent people? So fucking what? It's a ridiculous aspect of his character that doesn't even make sense in the comics, and sure as hell doesn't fit the Batman in Snyder's movies that try to push realism.
Read Batman Year One, Earth One, Long Halloween. Watch Batman Under The Red Hood or just experience any great batman story and you'll know what I'm talking about. It is not just about violence but about morality and the emotional trauma due to his parents' death due to a gun.
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Sorry I misread it, am on the phone rn.
Well assuming we're talking about the paid assassin Deadshot, putting him in a body bag would hopefully send his daughter the message that killing people for money is a poor career choice. Have you considered that the friends/relatives of Deadshots victims are just as likely to seek vengeance for themselves? If Batman wants justice, he surely isn't serving up justice to the people of Gotham that will continue to be harmed and abused by these villains he refuses to kill. Jason Todd was the only rational individual in that movie. I can understand the importance of a moral code, but it doesn't make any sense to suggest that letting some serial killing piece of shit continue to live and inflict pain on others is the "moral" thing to do.
I don't think we can ever reach an understanding on this issue brother. I guess we have very different viewpoints, everything cant be right or wrong.
It's just a spirited internet discussion my man. No time was wasted!
That's why I am excited for Battinson brother, I think they are making something very special and true to the character. Doubly hyped after reading The last halloween.
