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[Jado]

Okay, she came of as "having a lack of self-awareness, using very black-and-white language, seemed very aggressive, and lacking in subtlety, relateability, or likeability due to those things."

Is that better?

No.

This movie shouldn't handle the topic with kid gloves nor tip-toe around the issues. It has to be strong and deliberate (without wiggle room for misinterpretation) to drive the message home to a thick-skulled audience that's largely ignorant and acts too sensitive to discuss race in America. There's no point in having the script be soft, subtle and polite for your fragile sensibilities.

 

[remnant]

meh..I don't need a movie about militant blacks despising white people. I live with that everyday. It already feels like old news.

Though a part of me does want to see them try to treat mispronouncing "weave" as a serious cultural slap in the face?

 

[Sol..]

What the hell does Tumblrly mean? What I heard was a satire of the black militant.

I want to believe the comparisons to tumblr mean that its superficial, but up until I started reading this thread i've only seen it used by racists in the youtube comments. So my limited sample set suggests its something black like "the black twitter" or something.

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

meh..I don't need a movie about militant blacks despising white people. I live with that everyday. It already feels like old news.

Though a part of me does want to see them try to treat mispronouncing "weave" as a serious cultural slap in the face?

Militant blacks? I only saw one in that trailer and only one was described by the director in those interviews.

 

[LyleLanley]

I want to believe the comparisons to tumblr mean that its superficial, but up until I started reading this thread i've only seen it used by racists in the youtube comments. So my limited sample set tells me its just another way of saying black but adding a little extra commentary in saying its black and superficial.

Whenever I hear someone say something reminds them of tumblr I just think of awful gifs that don't have enough frames and often have some weird filter applied to them.

 

[grandwizard]

Actually, I've been saying the exact opposite: that the movie is NOT about the "black woman pursuing a white man" relationship, which is why I objected to his statement in the first place; furthermore, I saw nothing wrong with the portrayal of a black woman dating a white man, as even if they do have a relationship (which they may/probably don't, looking into it further), it will likely be another lens through which to view white privilege/casual racism and not another "black woman chasing white man" situation. My first response was to his statement that women of color only get leading roles if they pursue white men.



Perhaps if you cut down on snarky responses about my "hurt feelings" and using absolute language like "only" multiple times, you'll receive a less aggressive response.



I can think of better ways to be inclusive than saying, "You don't act like a black person!"

The Hollywood trope of having a minority actress be the romantic partner for the white male lead is already played out, the reason it would suck even more here is if this film is really trying to analyze racism and ends up using one of the more overused (and underlooked) forms of it in modern media.

Try to think up how many times a minority male lead 'gets the girl' in movies or TV and compare with what is now the default of the white male lead getting to be with any race in any situation.

It is a long term problem rooted in both racism (the 'other') and sexism ('coming to take our womens'). There is a reason Glenn and Maggie from the Walking Dead was national news, that kind of stuff just doesn't happen.

 

[Sol..]

Whenever I hear someone say something reminds them of tumblr I just think of awful gifs that don't have enough frames and often have some weird filter applied to them.

That used to be what I thought it meant, but when this movie came out its like somebody distributed a memo or something to describe this movie as "tumblry"

 

[remnant]

Militant blacks? I only saw one in that trailer and only one was described by the director in those interviews.

fine. militant black girl. Singular. No difference. I have met plenty of people like here in oakland and they are insufferable.

That used to be what I thought it meant, but when this movie came out its like somebody distributed a memo or something to describe this movie as "tumblry"

it refers to the tone deaf "arguments" that happen on and around tumblr blogs. Tumblr is a platform where you yell at people, not actually discuss things, and I can see how that trailer gives off a similar "I'm going to yell at you my opinion" tone.

 

[LyleLanley]

That used to be what I thought it meant, but when this movie came out its like somebody distributed a memo or something to describe this movie as "tumblry"

I've seen the movie and I have no idea how it relates to tumblr. I also almost never use tumblr so that may be why.

 

[Jado]

fine. militant black girl. Singular. No difference. I have met plenty of people like here in oakland and they are insufferable.


it refers to the tone deaf "arguments" that happen on and around tumblr blogs. Tumblr is a platform where you yell at people, not actually discuss things, and I can see how that trailer gives off a similar "I'm going to yell at you my opinion" tone.

I think you made up your mind about this movie before it even existed. A hundred directors with a hundred different visions for Dear White People and you would've been in here with the rest calling it a tumblr-esque movie. You're all transparent.

 

[Speevy]

Doesn't this seem like a premise that would be better served by a story?

 

[Jado]

Doesn't this seem like a premise that would be better served by a story?

A story? You mean... like a movie?

 

[remnant]

I think you made up your mind about this movie before it even existed. A hundred directors with a hundred different visions for Dear White People and you would've been in here with the rest calling it a tumblr-esque movie. You're all transparent.

"I hope this movie bludgeons those stupid fucking crackers over their honky heads. Best movie ever 10/10!" Is that what I'm supposed to say jado?


I don't know if the movie will be good or if it will suck. I'm just giving off my impressions from seeing it, and what my reaction was. If for no other reason then I'm a black person, I think I'm allowed to have an opinion about this movie. It's trailer atleast.

And last I checked people don't have to overwhelmingly fawn over trailers.

 

[Jado]

"I hope this movie bludgeons those stupid fucking crackers over their honky heads. Best movie ever 10/10!" Is that what I'm supposed to say jado?

If this is even remotely what you believe most of us are thinking going into this movie, I'd say that's very revealing about you and reinforces when I said earlier that you were ready to hate this no matter who directed, who wrote the script, who starred in it, etc.

 

[Speevy]

A story? You mean... like a movie?

No, I mean a story as in something that happens to characters that doesn't sound like someone pasted a message board thread and called it a script.

 

[andymcc]

No, I mean a story as in something that happens to characters that doesn't sound like someone pasted a message board thread and called it a script.

have you seen this film?

 

[Speevy]

have you seen this film?

No, but I can't identify the central conflict from the trailer.

Main character is in charge of a controversial radio program. Other people have views that contrast or are similar to hers. People say opinions. What is this movie about?

 

[Infinite]

No, but I can't identify the central conflict from the trailer.

Main character is in charge of a controversial radio program. Other people have views that contrast or are similar to hers. People say opinions. What is this movie about?

Please watch the interview with the film's director
Part 1
Part 2

.

 

[remnant]

If this is even remotely what you believe most of us are thinking going into this movie, I'd say that's very revealing about you and reinforces when I said earlier that you were ready to hate this no matter who directed, who wrote the script, who starred in it, etc.

Yeah this thread and some particular posts in it

No.

This movie shouldn't handle the topic with kid gloves nor tip-toe around the issues. It has to be strong and deliberate (without wiggle room for misinterpretation) to drive the message home to a thick-skulled audience that's largely ignorant and acts too sensitive to discuss race in America. There's no point in having the script be soft, subtle and polite for your fragile sensibilities.

gave off that impression, also the youtube comments didn't help.

 

[Shamrock7r]

On a serious note I can't say I liked the trailer. It sounds like college theater actors reciting tumblr posts. Nothing sounds natural in the trailer. Maybe the film is different. Spike Lee's early films had natural dialogue that flowed, even when it was being heavy handed.

Something felt off about the trailer, and I think you nailed it. A lot of the racially charged dialogue felt like it was ran through an online post that kind of paints a generalization of many moments like it. It didn't have any subtlety that I would imagine an actual real life conversation like that would have. Makes it sound preachy without really getting across the point. I hope the trailer isn't indicative of the movie as a whole because it has a message that I hope doesn't get lost in people thinking it is pretentious or preachy.

 

[Femmeworth]

That says absolutely nothing about how this is a "tumblr post in movie form." Maybe you should stop parroting the meaningless nonsense others use to be dismissive about this stuff.

I'm not (intentionally) parroting anything. I watched the trailer and it instantly made me think of Tumblr, which I'm active on.

Edit: I'm transgender and I would have had the same reaction if the film was addressing trans issues with the same style of speech.

 

[theignoramus]

I feel like pretty much every black nerd has had a white person tell them they're "not really black" because theyre into nerdy shit or they use something other than monosyllabic words.

 

[Opto]

what's with this black militants thing? I didn't see any army jackets or berets or rifles.

 

[remnant]

I feel like pretty much every black nerd has had a white person tell them they're "not really black" because theyre into nerdy shit or they use monosyllabic words.

I never heard this from white people, I mostly heard it from hispanic/black people, especially when I was in highschool.

White people seem to be more suprised at the things I am not into

 

[theignoramus]

Im just curious if this film is out to settle scores like Spike Lees films sometimes are, with that underlying theme of "oh you wanna stereotype us, Hollywood!!? Alright, white people, now it's your turn"

 

[UrokeJoe]

I feel like pretty much every black nerd has had a white person tell them they're "not really black" because theyre into nerdy shit or they use something other than monosyllabic words.

A black friend got me my first job.

Another black friend turned me onto the Beatles, The Hobbit, DnD, and so much more nerdy shit.

True shit. Whatever folks carry on. This race shit is getting old, I am old.

 

[terrene]

I think you made up your mind about this movie before it even existed. A hundred directors with a hundred different visions for Dear White People and you would've been in here with the rest calling it a tumblr-esque movie. You're all transparent.

You should find another thread to post in, bro. Protip: If you find yourself in a thread writing "You're all ___" -- you're probably the problem.

I know exactly what people mean about "Tumblr tone" being in the script and it's as valid a criticism as any. It refers to the aggressive use of absolutist legalese (as if writing a new draft of the Constituion) in an attempt to redefine proper social behavior -- for example, her racing, pedantic, over-enunciated delivery of the line "racism describes a system of disadvantage based on race," or the series of proclamations at the beginning (echoing Tumblr's "casual reminder") -- both sound like the sort of truth-from-a-hilltop bullshit that Tumblr ends up doing all the time in it's obsessive search for "microaggressions" and faults in social behavior. Taken to its nth degree, you end up with this:

You, and many Tumblr people, ought to consider that being rudely confrontational as a solution to mistakes by well-intentioned people or "microaggressions" is basically acting like Comic Book Guy aggressively correcting people on Star Wars facts, only with entirely novel/generally unobserved social norms (that were probably invented on Tumblr to begin with) instead of sci-fi trivia.

In otherwords: chill the fuck out.

 

[Opto]

Oh I get it, we don't like a black girl being critical of anything, better compare it to the people on the internet that believe they have multiple personalities with fake problems.

 

[terrene]

Oh I get it, we don't like a black girl being critical of anything, better compare it to the people on the internet that believe they have multiple personalities with fake problems.

Wow. So criticism of one particular person's writing style is the same as the complete dismissal of an entire race/gender? Good to know.

 

[Infinite]

Wow. So criticism of one particular person's writing style is the same as the complete dismissal of an entire race/gender? Good to know.

Comparing the writing for a movie you haven't seen yet to hyperbolic tumblr posts that only you have an idea of is a shitty criticism.

Everytime a poc talks about race relations on the internet people always try to dismiss them with "lol tumblr". Fuck outta here with that

 

[Opto]

Wow. So criticism of one particular person's writing style is the same as the complete dismissal of an entire race/gender? Good to know.

see now this sounds like tumblr.

 

[terrene]

Comparing the writing for a movie you haven't seen yet to hyperbolic tumblr posts that only you have an idea of is a shitty criticism.

If by "writing for a movie you haven't seen" you mean "quotes from a trailer I have seen" and "posts I only have an idea of" you mean "posts I am literally quoting in this thread" then yeah.

Everytime a poc talks about race relations on the internet people always try to dismiss them with "lol tumblr". Fuck outta here with that

I can imagine that's irritating, but I substantiated why this particular instance was Tumblr ish. I've read thoughtful articles on race that had no trace of Tumblr in them -- for example, Questlove's Trayvon Martin and I Ain't Shit. If he can do it, so can this movie.

Note: Criticism of the Tumblrism aside, I am interested in seeing the movie. Could be good!

 

[JDSN]

what's with this black militants thing? I didn't see any army jackets or berets or rifles.

Black people dont get "bundits"they get the more threatening version called "millitant".

 

[Rootbeer]

Looking forward to seeing it. White Fragility effect in evidence by the thumbs down count on the trailer?

 

[Infinite]

If by "writing for a movie you haven't seen" you mean "quotes from a trailer I have seen" and "posts I only have an idea of" you mean "posts I am literally quoting in this thread" then yeah.


I can imagine that's irritating, but I substantiated why this particular instance was Tumblr ish. I've read thoughtful articles on race that had no trace of Tumblr in them -- for example, Questlove's Trayvon Martin and I Ain't Shit. If he can do it, so can this movie.

Note: Criticism of the Tumblrism aside, I am interested in seeing the movie. Could be good!

What does tumblrism fucking mean? People that have opinions that you don't share and take the kid gloves off when expressing them?

 

[heliosRAzi]

meh..I don't need a movie about militant blacks despising white people. I live with that everyday. It already feels like old news.

You live with militant blacks?

 

[cubicle47b]

What does tumblrism fucking mean? People that have opinions that you don't share and take the kid gloves off when expressing them?

Take the kid gloves off is a really nice way of saying being a complete asshole to anyone who disagrees with you even slightly (or just in general).

The internet is pretty bad about this in general. Tumblr just ups the ante by being young and overly self-righteous.

 

[remnant]

Comparing the writing for a movie you haven't seen yet to hyperbolic tumblr posts that only you have an idea of is a shitty criticism.

Everytime a poc talks about race relations on the internet people always try to dismiss them with "lol tumblr". Fuck outta here with that

Every time? Twenty minutes ago you guys were all "oh what the fuck is tumblr. What are you talking about Dur"

You live with militant blacks?

People like that chick in the trailer. Yes.

I've heard the "blacks can't be prejudiced/racist., "
"White people and black people can't assimilate well together"
"Aids/drugs/etc were invented to kill blacks." etc etc all my life.

 

[Opto]

Every time? Twenty minutes ago you guys were all "oh what the fuck is tumblr. What are you talking about Dur"



People like that chick in the trailer. Yes.

I've heard the "blacks can't be prejudiced/racist., "
"White people and black people can't assimilate well together"
"Aids/drugs/etc were invented to kill blacks." etc etc all my life.

That's not what she's all about at all.

 

[remnant]

That's not what she's all about at all.

Then they made a pretty bad trailer humanizing her, because she seems tailor made to fit the stereotupe

 

[Angelus Errare]

I feel like pretty much every black nerd has had a white person tell them they're "not really black" because theyre into nerdy shit or they use something other than monosyllabic words.

Welcome the America.

what's with this black militants thing? I didn't see any army jackets or berets or rifles.

Black militant = Any black person who brings up racism in post-racist America. Obama is black, racism is dead; if you think racism is still a thing maybe you're the racist blah blah blah.

Or something like that.

 

[Opto]

And unless you are climbing over claymores and assault rifles I don't see people saying those things as "militant." Unless you're leaving out the part where the Blank Panthers use your lawn for drills.

 

[terrene]

What does tumblrism fucking mean? People that have opinions that you don't share and take the kid gloves off when expressing them?

I've already explained it in far more detail than that. This is your 4th or 5th post playing dumb. Just go use Google or read this Twitter for awhile: https://twitter.com/TumblrTXT and stop lousing up the thread.

And no, your wild guess is way off. I am a liberal and more often than not I actually agree with Tumblr posts - it's not about that. It's about not acting like Comic Book Guy when it comes to social justice. The stances expressed in the trailer are fine -- and Comic Book Guy is always correct about his Star Wars trivia. You're not going to successfully argue that the "Tumblr" criticism is secret racism.

 

[Angelus Errare]

And unless you are climbing over claymores and assault rifles I don't see people saying those things as "militant." Unless you're leaving out the part where the Blank Panthers use your lawn for drills.

If you make someone uncomfortable when you talk about racism and you happen to be blac...you're totes a black militant.

 

[remnant]

And unless you are climbing over claymores and assault rifles I don't see people saying those things as "militant." Unless you're leaving out the part where the Blank Panthers use your lawn for drills.

militant as in angry and hostile to others based soley off their skin color ,not militant as in carrying an AR-15.

Maybe it's an oakland thing.

 

[heliosRAzi]

People like that chick in the trailer. Yes.

I've heard the "blacks can't be prejudiced/racist., "
"White people and black people can't assimilate well together"
"Aids/drugs/etc were invented to kill blacks." etc etc all my life.

And how does that make them militant?

 

[Draper]

Feels like a cheap/shallow commentary on the subject.

"and your drug dealer Tyrone doesn't count"

AAAAAHHHHH SHIT!

But maybe I'm missing the point. I'll probably check it out.

 

[Angelus Errare]

If that's the definition of militant then there are an absolute shit ton of militant people of every race in the US.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

What the hell does Tumblrly mean? What I heard was a satire of the black militant.

That's what's killing me about the "tumblrism" shit. It's clear as day as to what she's parodying. lol. I don't even care for the trailer either, but wat.

 

[Opto]

Then they made a pretty bad trailer humanizing her, because she seems tailor made to fit the stereotupe

yet the trailer shows she likes Taylor Swift and worries about how it might change the way she's perceived. Such a stereotupe