Demi Lovato (pop singer, former child actress) rushed to ER after heroin overdose.

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Last month she released a song called "Sober" where she revealed she had fallen off the wagon.

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I feel for anyone struggling with substance abuse. I hope she ends up alright and get passed all this.

Doesn't really matter what I think about her as a person or her music, anyone struggling with substance abuse needs help.
 
5secondrulesucks said:
i never get what goes through some peoples heads "heroin? yeah seems like a good idea ill try it"
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I like to think of it as a more extreme example of something that we all do all the time.

Take coffee for instance. Instead of all of us working to have better work/life balances or better sleep schedules...or because of social pressure....tons of us drink coffee all the time. That little "pick me up" drink becomes something we all spend money on daily. Instead of saving the money, we enjoy whatever little pick me up we get, or use it to push ourselves through something instead of solving the problem.

Given the "right" circumstances, like being in an environment where drug use is more available, being wildly depressed or upset or vulnerable, being told how good it makes you feel... I could see how someone would be enticed to give it a try. Convince themselves that they can not get addicted.

Substance abuse is almost always some form of coping mechanism. So when I read stories like this I just think about what struggles the person must be going through that this is where they ended up.

Many of us lean on more "acceptable" things like cigarettes or coffee or alcohol...but when someone's really down and out, your tolerance for what you're willing to do to try and feel literally anything but your problems goes sky high.
 
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I like some of her songs, and I like her.
You get the sense she's a vulnerable person that is dealing with something in interviews, hope she can get the help she needs. It's a first world problem and all but I'm sure it's tough being young in the limelight.
 
Most people drink caffeine because they need it to get through work in order to pay for their food/rent/utilities, not "work/life balance". And unless you're talking gourmet stuff like Starbucks, it's dirt cheap.

Ms. Lovato has no financial pressures. If she needed to cope, ecstasy would likely do the trick. She probably took heroin because it feels really, really, really good.
 
DiscoJer said:
Most people drink caffeine because they need it to get through work in order to pay for their food/rent/utilities, not "work/life balance". And unless you're talking gourmet stuff like Starbucks, it's dirt cheap.
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No one "needs" coffee. That's my point. And if you think you do, that just goes to show how badly you've become dependent on some substance to solve a problem (a bad work schedule in this example, presumably) instead of just figuring out how to exist without it. It's become a crutch. I filed your example under "work/life balance" in my head as I typed up that initial response.

...as I said, this is an extreme comparison.
 
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I believe people like Demi, who can't control themselves, need to be at least partially controlled by others. If that means she has less freedom, so be it. Drug addicts, alcoholics, mentally ill people, they need to be under the control of another more capable person.
 
5secondrulesucks said:
i never get what goes through some peoples heads "heroin? yeah seems like a good idea ill try it"
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I've lost a couple of friends to heroin addiction and I have several friends who've tried heroin, but not gone beyond doing it once or twice.

I think trying it for the first time can come down to a mix of things. Having a group of friends that experiment with various drugs where it may become easily available for you to try. Peer pressure. Curiosity. Feeling like you won't be addicted after trying it once or twice. Toss other issues into the mix like depression, relationship issues etc. and it can catch people with their guard down.
 
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That's sad but kinda expected after hearing all the rumors of her ditching everyone involved in her soberiety. Hopefully this is the wake up call for her.
 
For anyone even thinking of trying this piece of shit drug watch this video and show it to others:



Get stoned, try LSD, do mushrooms, I don't give a shit, just don't try this fucking drug.
 
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Mahadev said:
For anyone even thinking of trying this piece of shit drug watch this video and show it to others:



Get stoned, try LSD, do mushrooms, I don't give a shit, just don't try this fucking drug, it's a duplicitous son of a bitch.
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I'd argue that LSD is just as bad, the only difference is that the shit hits the fan slowly as opposed to Heroin just hitting you right then and there.

I have seen people who take LSD become absolutely mentally broken from it's use, it absolutely fucks with your sense of reality.
 
CaliggyJack said:
I'd argue that LSD is just as bad, the only difference is that the shit hits the fan slowly as opposed to Heroin just hitting you right then and there.

I have seen people who take LSD become absolutely mentally broken from it's use, it absolutely fucks with your sense of reality.
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LSD to me isn't in the same category as heroin simply because it's not addictive. In my experience it doesn't change you permanently too much unless you do it all the time and if you do it's not because of addiction it because you're being stupid.
 
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She is up and awake with her family, so sounds like she doing good.

It may sound crazy but somebody who could talk to her about this and understand what she is going through is Justin Beiber.
 
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I don't know who this person is but Hope that she survives and finds a way to get out of her misery.

Good luck girl 👍🏼
 
It's crazy how people can get into this shit after hearing and reading about all ODs in the news.
Not a fan of her music but I hope she cleans up here act and gets the help she desperately needs.
 
She looked ok 2 years ago

Famous people are so dumb
 
I'm kinda sick of hearing all the nonsense about how drug abuse is some kinda disease these people are suffering from as opposed to being a choice you make. Even if you make the argument that after addiction has fully set in it no longer becomes a choice, fact is they choose to play with those drugs long enough to develop the addiction. The fiction that they need "help" has to be stopped. Nobody can stop an addiction but the addict themselves. These people go in and out of rehab, come out clean only to relapse due to again, making the choice. We can help them stop doing the drugs temporarily but ultimately it's up to them to stay clean, not us...

This is also why I believe recreational marijuana should be legalized, there is no reason people shouldn't be able to get high to cope with their personal issues with safe drugs like weed that won't turn them into junkies...

I have zero sympathy for these people. I do wish them the best and hope they help themselves, but I certainly don't feel bad for them. I also have an extreme hatred for any addict who ruins other people's lives instead of just their own, which unfortunately happens WAY too often...
 
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BANGS said:
I'm kinda sick of hearing all the nonsense about how drug abuse is some kinda disease these people are suffering from as opposed to being a choice you make. Even if you make the argument that after addiction has fully set in it no longer becomes a choice, fact is they choose to play with those drugs long enough to develop the addiction. The fiction that they need "help" has to be stopped. Nobody can stop an addiction but the addict themselves. These people go in and out of rehab, come out clean only to relapse due to again, making the choice. We can help them stop doing the drugs temporarily but ultimately it's up to them to stay clean, not us...

This is also why I believe recreational marijuana should be legalized, there is no reason people shouldn't be able to get high to cope with their personal issues with safe drugs like weed that won't turn them into junkies...

I have zero sympathy for these people. I do wish them the best and hope they help themselves, but I certainly don't feel bad for them. I also have an extreme hatred for any addict who ruins other people's lives instead of just their own, which unfortunately happens WAY too often...
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The vast majority of herion users in America developed the addiction through prescribed opiates that for quite a few years were handed out like aspirin for all kinds of pain relief. It's a more complex issue than just stop doing heroin. My grandmother who died a 15 years ago was an addict to prescribed oxycontin, in her house we found thousands of pills she had hoarded. She was lucid, highly intelligent and lived to age 94. I understand your point and I don't disagree with you in principle, I just think opiates are kind of pushed, legally and illegally on many people in all walks of life. And most heroin addicts aren't strung out junkies on the street, they look like any other person.
 
highrider said:
The vast majority of herion users in America developed the addiction through prescribed opiates that for quite a few years were handed out like aspirin for all kinds of pain relief. It's a more complex issue than just stop doing heroin. My grandmother who died a 15 years ago was an addict to prescribed oxycontin, in her house we found thousands of pills she had hoarded. She was lucid, highly intelligent and lived to age 94. I understand your point and I don't disagree with you in principle, I just think opiates are kind of pushed, legally and illegally on many people in all walks of life. And most heroin addicts aren't strung out junkies on the street, they look like any other person.
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Agree'D 100%, the pharmaceutical industry and doctors certainly share some blame in the epidemic. Ultimately it comes down to the end user in the end. My own mother has become a junkie herself over 10 years ago from when she hurt her back many years ago and decided to take more pills than prescribed, she still has those issues today. My former brother in law has been a junkie for years and financially took down my sister in law and his daughter with him in the process. I have zero sympathy for either of them...
 
highrider said:
The vast majority of herion users in America developed the addiction through prescribed opiates that for quite a few years were handed out like aspirin for all kinds of pain relief. It's a more complex issue than just stop doing heroin. My grandmother who died a 15 years ago was an addict to prescribed oxycontin, in her house we found thousands of pills she had hoarded. She was lucid, highly intelligent and lived to age 94. I understand your point and I don't disagree with you in principle, I just think opiates are kind of pushed, legally and illegally on many people in all walks of life. And most heroin addicts aren't strung out junkies on the street, they look like any other person.
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The majority? Prescription pain pills will certainly increase the risk of addiction vs not taking them, but don't be fooled by the fake news to make you believe it's the majority of the problem. Because the majority of drug addicts are just losers.

It's deception along the lines of "black people are being thrown into jail for smoking weed". No. It's creating a victim state for drugs, and Democratic votes.
 
BANGS said:
I'm kinda sick of hearing all the nonsense about how drug abuse is some kinda disease these people are suffering from as opposed to being a choice you make. Even if you make the argument that after addiction has fully set in it no longer becomes a choice, fact is they choose to play with those drugs long enough to develop the addiction. The fiction that they need "help" has to be stopped. Nobody can stop an addiction but the addict themselves. These people go in and out of rehab, come out clean only to relapse due to again, making the choice. We can help them stop doing the drugs temporarily but ultimately it's up to them to stay clean, not us...

This is also why I believe recreational marijuana should be legalized, there is no reason people shouldn't be able to get high to cope with their personal issues with safe drugs like weed that won't turn them into junkies...

I have zero sympathy for these people. I do wish them the best and hope they help themselves, but I certainly don't feel bad for them. I also have an extreme hatred for any addict who ruins other people's lives instead of just their own, which unfortunately happens WAY too often...
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My instinct was to try and ask for more empathy...but reading your story about what you've witnessed firsthand, I can totally get it.

Super hard drugs: not even once, man.

My general fear of needles will forever save me from turning to something like heroin, but I do have an addictive personality so I could easily see myself getting addicted to painkillers or some other recreational drug.

When I was prescribed percocets after having my gall bladder removed, I just remember loving how they made me feel when I took them...and got curious and on my last day I took 3x the prescribed dosage to see how that'd feel...and it felt great. If I had ready access to them I can easily see myself abusing them.

Fortunately I don't really have the desire or drive or where-with-all to get my hands on them...but if they were just lying around the house, yeah... I'd be in trouble.
 
RubxQub said:
My instinct was to try and ask for more empathy...but reading your story about what you've witnessed firsthand, I can totally get it.

Super hard drugs: not even once, man.

My general fear of needles will forever save me from turning to something like heroin, but I do have an addictive personality so I could easily see myself getting addicted to painkillers or some other recreational drug.

When I was prescribed percocets after having my gall bladder removed, I just remember loving how they made me feel when I took them...and got curious and on my last day I took 3x the prescribed dosage to see how that'd feel...and it felt great. If I had ready access to them I can easily see myself abusing them.

Fortunately I don't really have the desire or drive or where-with-all to get my hands on them...but if they were just lying around the house, yeah... I'd be in trouble.
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The trick is to treat them like antibiotics or any other actual medicine. Take them only as prescribed, never any other time. And due to the addictive nature of them, simple rule is to not take them if you're not in actual pain. My wife just has a C-section and was prescribed percocets and motrin. The pain was tolerable with just the motrin alone, except for one day where it was really bad and she took one percoset. She never took another percoset after that point because she never truly needed it. THAT'S what personal responsibility looks like...
 
It's so weird seeing so many celebrities overdose these past years.
What sort of stress made them end up willingly taking these substances, well knowing that it is dangerous as hell.
Hope she'll be alright ☹️
 
Spheyr said:
Who?
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It is already linked but i am just dropping it here once more because in the time that it took you to twice reply with ''who?'' you could have googled this within 10 seconds. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demi_Lovato

EDIT: Its really sad to hear this after she had a prior dark episode. Remember, ''fame'' isnt what one usually thinks it is: It can (and will) be a terrible status to have, as Chester Bennington, Chris Cornell and Avicii have shown. Especially when there is already pre-fame history involved.

I hope she pulls through.
 
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highrider said:
The vast majority of herion users in America developed the addiction through prescribed opiates that for quite a few years were handed out like aspirin for all kinds of pain relief.
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Even if they didn't start with heroin, they were likely abusing the presciption pain killers beforehand. The odds of someone becoming addicted to pain meds while under the supervision of a doctor's care for a legitimate medical issue is quite low. And the rules have changed a lot compared to the past. It's very difficult to get a primary care to prescribe opiate medicines anymore. Thanks to all the drug addicts ODing, they are under a lot of DEA scrutiny and will usually refer a patient to a pain medicine specialist. Also I just read she was taking meth before the heroin OD, so I really doubt it was some doctor's fault she is apparently addicted to drugs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-meth-days-overdosed-heroin-night-party.html
 
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Super Mario said:
The majority? Prescription pain pills will certainly increase the risk of addiction vs not taking them, but don't be fooled by the fake news to make you believe it's the majority of the problem. Because the majority of drug addicts are just losers.

It's deception along the lines of "black people are being thrown into jail for smoking weed". No. It's creating a victim state for drugs, and Democratic votes.
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someone needs to tell the people on opiates in west virginia (highest rate of ODs in the US) or any other red state or conservative areas in blue states where opiate addiction is a big problem that if they don't quit soon, they will succumb to a fate worse than death. Voting Democratic

unless you have data on the political leanings of people with drug habits that I'm not privy too lol

Just mindlessly casting drug addicts off as losers when it could affect anyone from any social strata isn't great either, for me this is clearly a problem that is a bit deeper than if people are lazy, feckless and irresponsible or not.

Like no shit people should be personally responsible, but if turns out they're not, what can and/or should governments and corporations as well as law enforcement do to mitigate these issues?

Demi Lovato is a young, wealthy high profile person who hopefully can surround herself with a good support network and hopefully get into the mindset of not destroying herself with this utterly wasteful drug, good luck to her, most celebs do make it to the other side healthy.
 
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BILLY BIG BALLS said:
Like no shit people should be personally responsible, but if turns out they're not, what can and/or should governments and corporations as well as law enforcement do to mitigate these issues?
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Build the wall. And crackdown on illegal immigration. The majority of heroin in the US is imported from Mexico.
 
BILLY BIG BALLS said:
someone needs to tell the people on opiates in west virginia (highest rate of ODs in the US) or any other red state or conservative areas in blue states where opiate addiction is a big problem that if they don't quit soon, they will succumb to a fate worse than death. Voting Democratic

unless you have data on the political leanings of people with drug habits that I'm not privy too lol

Just mindlessly casting drug addicts off as losers when it could affect anyone from any social strata isn't great either, for me this is clearly a problem that is a bit deeper than if people are lazy, feckless and irresponsible or not.

Like no shit people should be personally responsible, but if turns out they're not, what can and/or should governments and corporations as well as law enforcement do to mitigate these issues?

Demi Lovato is a young, wealthy high profile person who hopefully can surround herself with a good support network and hopefully get into the mindset of not destroying herself with this utterly wasteful drug, good luck to her, most celebs do make it to the other side healthy.
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Glad ya spotted that.

Death Dealer said:
Build the wall. And crackdown on illegal immigration. The majority of heroin in the US is imported from Mexico.
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Oh, goody, a Trumper. I'll be off then.
 
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