Dengeki Chart 6th-12th Dec (PSP launch)
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Brofist
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Deg said:
The fact that there were 1000+ people lines waiting for them, they are selling for like $500-1000 on ebay, and import places are price gouging on them because people want them so badly they'll buy at any price, and the fact that every small shipment going into eletronics stores have been selling out within minutes.
Add to that, that word of mouth on the system is great creating even more hype.
Don't even try it. This "Deg" user is totaly dumb! You're taking against a wall.kpop100 said:
"Waiting a week"?? (Deg) rofl, wait until SONY ships enough units and THEN we can see which ons sells better. Like you (kpop100) said: The demand for a PSP is much higher than for DS! But hey, DS sells more because SONY doesn't ship enough units! Wow, victory for Nintendo (in Degs eyes). Oh boy!
Let us stop here. :lol
Some of the Nfans here are getting to the hysterical point of the sega fanbois circa 1999, 2000 and 2001. (yes depite my jnr member tag i've been here that long)
Look the facts are Sony are coming. Its a nice piece of kit, with some stellar abilities not least of which are the level of graphics for a handheld and the screen. plus it looks fantastic (not to be underestimated)
Sony definitely have the resources and the marketing and enough developer support to chew into nintendos monopoly of the handheld space. How much they chomp, who knows.
They released with limited quatities, and this is sony's problem. but if u sell all u can make its not the worst position to be in and also gives the perception that its very popular. in marketing perception = truth. Not everybody knows their shipment numbers so if they see its sold out all the time and sells quickly they perceive it to be successful. if its seen to be successful then it is and they think it must be good to be that popular therfore it should be considered even with limited knowledge. Plus it comes with a well known brand on two levels ie Sony and Playstation.
So don't try to spin the fact that something new and in not so short supply is selling better than something in short supply during the buying season is
A) hardly surprising
b) no guide to the long term
so please calm down
Look the facts are Sony are coming. Its a nice piece of kit, with some stellar abilities not least of which are the level of graphics for a handheld and the screen. plus it looks fantastic (not to be underestimated)
Sony definitely have the resources and the marketing and enough developer support to chew into nintendos monopoly of the handheld space. How much they chomp, who knows.
They released with limited quatities, and this is sony's problem. but if u sell all u can make its not the worst position to be in and also gives the perception that its very popular. in marketing perception = truth. Not everybody knows their shipment numbers so if they see its sold out all the time and sells quickly they perceive it to be successful. if its seen to be successful then it is and they think it must be good to be that popular therfore it should be considered even with limited knowledge. Plus it comes with a well known brand on two levels ie Sony and Playstation.
So don't try to spin the fact that something new and in not so short supply is selling better than something in short supply during the buying season is
A) hardly surprising
b) no guide to the long term
so please calm down
"The demand for PSP is higher than DS"
"PSP could have sold 500k if that many had been shipped"
Says who????
Where are you gettting this rubbish from? Why didn't they ship 500k on the first day then?
It would be like Enix only shipping 500k of Dragon Quest VIII- they wouldn't do it if they knew it could sell 2 million on day 1.
It's funny how defensive people get. Go back to my original post, where does it say "DS is better than PSP", "DS will rule PSP" or anything else? All I said that was the PSP has had a very low-key launch compared to the DS.
"PSP could have sold 500k if that many had been shipped"
Says who????
Where are you gettting this rubbish from? Why didn't they ship 500k on the first day then?
It would be like Enix only shipping 500k of Dragon Quest VIII- they wouldn't do it if they knew it could sell 2 million on day 1.
It's funny how defensive people get. Go back to my original post, where does it say "DS is better than PSP", "DS will rule PSP" or anything else? All I said that was the PSP has had a very low-key launch compared to the DS.
seismologist
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PSP launch games flopped hard. What's the next big seller on PSP?
mashoutposse
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Broshnat said:
Yes, very low-key:
Die Squirrel Die
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Broshnat said:
What a dumb question, because they couldn't make 500k for launch day. Sony are shipping them as fast as they can make them, stores are selling them as soon as they get them. I don't know, but I imagine Nintendo are in a similar position.
What this means is that comparisons of sales numbers at this point are idiotic to say the least. Until a Japanese consumer can walk into an electronics shop, pick up a PSP/NDS from a stack on a shelf and buy it with no hassle, no massive queues, no empty shelfs within hours, then saying one is doing better than the other with implications of long term performance is moronic.
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Die Squirrel Die said:
IAWTP
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Deg said:Yeah its not idiotic in any other launch only this one
Actually it is idiotic in any and every other launch. And if I recall correctly wasn't it the Nintendo fans crying 'shortage' after the US Xbox/GC launches.
Launches are far too hectic, with so many other factors that can affect sales that arguing over it is futile.
Die Squirrel Die said:
Who has ever mentioned anything about long-term performance?
I'll say it for the last time- I did nothing other than post last week's sales numbers and comment that the DS is doing far better than PSP at the moment.
It's all the anti-Nintendo trolls who have jumped in on the defensive and made a big deal of it all.
sonycowboy
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Broshnat said:
Broshnat said:
:lol :lol :lol
Those queues mean nothing also. It has to do with how preorders where handled.
I agree it is moronic to post any outcome as of yet (it goes both ways). Hey, even march will be too early to tell IMO! Not until supply has met demand or surpassed it will we know- if that ever happens. If hypotetically it didn't, then DS wins because it has more supply.
I agree it is moronic to post any outcome as of yet (it goes both ways). Hey, even march will be too early to tell IMO! Not until supply has met demand or surpassed it will we know- if that ever happens. If hypotetically it didn't, then DS wins because it has more supply.
Err. Your numbers are wrong.Broshnat said:
Media Create's numbers are 171,963. Total Shipped is 193,056.
Media Create
Total shipped.
seismologist
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mumu said:
I expect the GBA to slowly phase out and be replaced by DS since it plays the same games.
The low cost could keep it going strong for a while longer though.
I think some 3rd party with a small budget will keep developing for the GBA, although we probably won't see AAA games anymore. That install base is just too big to be neglected. Especially when you consider that the DS also plays GBA games. And at about half the price the GBA will probably sell OK.seismologist said:
seismologist
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mumu said:
yeah, I guess it depends on what Nintendo decides to do. If they phase out the SP like they did with the original GBA then the DS will take it's place. Developers will shift to DS.
evilromero
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I want me some Yoshi no Banyuuin Ryoku.
mashoutposse
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Tritroid said:
Hard not to become one when it so thoroughly delivers on all of the promises
I will be shocked if DS can manage to outsell PSP on a weekly basis six months from now. Shocked.
Right then.
700k were shipped upto end of last week. Probably close to 900k today.
"Media Create's numbers are 171,963. Total Shipped is 193,056"
Those are media create numbers, Dengeki says 167k, Famitsu says 166k. All around the same, which compared to the 200k shipped doesn't suggest it has sold out to me any more than 470k DS's selling from the 500k shipment which people criticised.
DS came out 10 days prior to the PSP.
"So, is Broshnat trying to argue that, had the PSP been available in larger quantities, there would not be enough demand to match the supply?"
Yup, it wouldnt't have sold 500k if that many had been available.
I'm no fanboy, merely applauding the DS launch since it has done very well so far, while the PSP launch has been pretty poor in comparison.
700k were shipped upto end of last week. Probably close to 900k today.
"Media Create's numbers are 171,963. Total Shipped is 193,056"
Those are media create numbers, Dengeki says 167k, Famitsu says 166k. All around the same, which compared to the 200k shipped doesn't suggest it has sold out to me any more than 470k DS's selling from the 500k shipment which people criticised.
DS came out 10 days prior to the PSP.
"So, is Broshnat trying to argue that, had the PSP been available in larger quantities, there would not be enough demand to match the supply?"
Yup, it wouldnt't have sold 500k if that many had been available.
I'm no fanboy, merely applauding the DS launch since it has done very well so far, while the PSP launch has been pretty poor in comparison.
JoshuaJSlone
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I don't see much evidence of it in this thread; just pointing out the truth. As a Nintendo partisan, I will need all the help I can get in the coming years. Best to discredit anyone who makes silly arguments at this point, rather than later when we're in a real situation.Meier said:
mashoutposse
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The 171k or 166k or whatever is for retail sales -- it doesn't factor in the thousands held back by distributors for Lik-Sang, NCS, Play-Asia, and Hong Kong importers. NCS alone said that 1500 were available to them direct from the distributor (at nearly $500 a pop).