Dengeki Chart 6th-12th Dec (PSP launch)
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sonycowboy
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Miburou said:
What was his old handle?
jorge13130
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There are lots of consoles to buy in Japan, and even there some people buy xbox, I dont understand
JoshuaJSlone
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Nope. It was a long name, and I know it's him because it's the same style, and most of his posts consisted of sales figures and trying to make Nintendo's number seem better and downplaying the competition, and then he got banned.
BTW: why do I get prompted to enter my userid and passwd when I click on your link? This happened to me on other occasions, too.
BTW: why do I get prompted to enter my userid and passwd when I click on your link? This happened to me on other occasions, too.
:lol :lol You truely believe that? Oh my god..... :lolBroshnat said:
Boy, it's ok! You're such a dumbass.... it's not even funny anymore! It's ok! Go and play with your DS, ok?!
Like I said! This guy just don't get it! The PSP is "sold out" in every single store, after a few minutes/hours! But let us stop here!
I have to play Halo 2 online right now! I need some "shooting" now! :lol
See 'ya
Axsider said:AniHawk, did you played Jak 3 already? And? You like it?
"It's gonna be a long, long time" (Damn you, CVX) before I play Jak 3. I'll rent it next year some time and have a go, since there was someone who did not like Jak II and liked Jak 3. I liked SA and disliked VC. I liked Echoes and disliked Prime... So we'll see how it goes.
Meier said:
It's like an infection that keeps spreading.
PSP most definitely sold out. If not in the first day, then in the second day for sure.
To say the PSP launch was more low-key is dead wrong though. Regardless of how many were sold, the DS launch was completely quiet compared to PSP.
Case in point: Shibuya Tsutaya, one of the most popular games retailers in Tokyo:
DS Launch: 8-10 people lined up before 7am
PSP Launch: 300-350 people lined up before 7am
Shinjuku Yodobashi Camera, the single most well-known games shop in Tokyo:
DS Launch: 100-200 people lined up before 7am
PSP Launch: 1300+ people lined up before 7am
So, sales numbers aside, let's not talk about low key.
To say the PSP launch was more low-key is dead wrong though. Regardless of how many were sold, the DS launch was completely quiet compared to PSP.
Case in point: Shibuya Tsutaya, one of the most popular games retailers in Tokyo:
DS Launch: 8-10 people lined up before 7am
PSP Launch: 300-350 people lined up before 7am
Shinjuku Yodobashi Camera, the single most well-known games shop in Tokyo:
DS Launch: 100-200 people lined up before 7am
PSP Launch: 1300+ people lined up before 7am
So, sales numbers aside, let's not talk about low key.
Well, it's also worth noting that PSP's launch frenzy was likely fueld in large part by the limited number of units they made available. It was a perfect tactic by Sony, release a tiny amount of units at a low price to drive demand and hype to insane levels, keeping supply low until they can bring manufacturing costs down to match their loss taking price. Next do the same in America... but gouge Europe. Kutaragi business 101.
CerberusXXL
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The whole PSP vs DS is getting quite exciting.
Can't wait for next week...
Can't wait for next week...
jarrod said:Well, it's also worth noting that PSP's launch frenzy was likely fueld in large part by the limited number of units they made available. It was a perfect tactic by Sony, release a tiny amount of units at a low price to drive demand and hype to insane levels, keeping supply low until they can bring manufacturing costs down to match their loss taking price. Next do the same in America... but gouge Europe. Kutaragi business 101.
Very well said.
The sales speak for themselves.
APerfectCircle
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i don't really think that line numbers are that big a sign of hype, especially when the psp is targeting an older market than the general nintendo handheld. its funny how you got guys labeling broshnat a fanboy, then blindly defending th pspjohn tv said:PSP most definitely sold out. If not in the first day, then in the second day for sure.
To say the PSP launch was more low-key is dead wrong though. Regardless of how many were sold, the DS launch was completely quiet compared to PSP.
Case in point: Shibuya Tsutaya, one of the most popular games retailers in Tokyo:
DS Launch: 8-10 people lined up before 7am
PSP Launch: 300-350 people lined up before 7am
Shinjuku Yodobashi Camera, the single most well-known games shop in Tokyo:
DS Launch: 100-200 people lined up before 7am
PSP Launch: 1300+ people lined up before 7am
So, sales numbers aside, let's not talk about low key.
To me, they both sold out kudos to them.seismologist said:
*cough*
In a launch with 193,000 units... selling 67k is "flopping hard"? Ok, boss!
Broshnat said:
I think the reason people are getting defensive is because your statement simply isn't true: The PSP had a significantly more high-key launch than the DS. The difference was DS had more units than the PSP had. So, naturally, it sold way more than PSP. In that case supply met demand.
Did the DS do better? Yes. It had more units. But...
Broshnat said:
...had the PSP had 500k units, you bet your ass of it would have sold every last unit and then some. I don't think you quite realize what "demand" means. The reason we're seeing units go for up to 900 dollars on eBAY is because the demand FAR outstrips the supply. Therefore if we assume all these people wouldn't have paid these insane prices had the units been readily available in the market then it's safe to assume we'd get a 500k number.
So this is why people are getting defensive. What you're saying is technically true - DS has sold better than PSP. But in terms of demand... you're absolutely incorrect. Not only that, but we can't even accurately guage how good each one will respectively do until they both have a steady stream of units on the market.
So let's compare. DS has over 1.4 million units sold worldwide. PSP has less than 200,000 sold worldwide. Which do you think would do better gamewise? Shit, if the DS games didn't sell close to the PSP games you should start being nervous.
Finally... why didn't Sony release more units? Simple. They couldn't. Their production of this high-scale product couldn't meet the demand even if they tried.
It's been said a bunch before, but keeping supplies low don't bring costs down, and don't help it either. Costs come down as a result of economies of scale. The more they build, the more efficient the process becomes, and thus the cheaper it all is to manufacture. Sony's simply can't make more. They had the same thing happen with the PS2, and it wasn't intentional then either. If you remember, they ramped up production quickly after that. I think the limited supply is partly due to limited production capacity (as outlined numerous times) as well as redistribution of units to the US and European releases. Between now and the end of March, Sony needs to make 2.8M units for the US, Europe and Japan, so things will stay low for a while. At least with the PS2, they had like half a year to produce units for the US, and they still had problems. PSPs might be in short supply until Summer IMO. Monthly production can't be more than 1.5M yet, and that just ain't gonna cut it. PEACE.jarrod said:Well, it's also worth noting that PSP's launch frenzy was likely fueld in large part by the limited number of units they made available. It was a perfect tactic by Sony, release a tiny amount of units at a low price to drive demand and hype to insane levels, keeping supply low until they can bring manufacturing costs down to match their loss taking price. Next do the same in America... but gouge Europe. Kutaragi business 101.
Eh, good a place as any to post the Media Create hardware numbers for 6th-12th:
DS -- 198,892
PSP -- 160,019
PS2 -- 98,323
GBASP -- 48,912
GC -- 25,359
GBA -- 897
Xbox -- 385
SC -- 44
PSone -- 35
Week 2 DS numbers
Media Create -- 198,892
Enterbrain/Famitsu (provisional) -- 181,000
Dengeki -- 156,000
Week 1 DS numbers
Media Create -- 463,000
Enterbrain/Famitsu (provisional) -- 441,000
Dengeki -- 401,000
Week 1 PSP numbers
Media Create -- 172,000
Enterbrain/Famitsu (provisional) -- 166,000
Dengeki -- 167,000
DS -- 198,892
PSP -- 160,019
PS2 -- 98,323
GBASP -- 48,912
GC -- 25,359
GBA -- 897
Xbox -- 385
SC -- 44
PSone -- 35
Week 2 DS numbers
Media Create -- 198,892
Enterbrain/Famitsu (provisional) -- 181,000
Dengeki -- 156,000
Week 1 DS numbers
Media Create -- 463,000
Enterbrain/Famitsu (provisional) -- 441,000
Dengeki -- 401,000
Week 1 PSP numbers
Media Create -- 172,000
Enterbrain/Famitsu (provisional) -- 166,000
Dengeki -- 167,000