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[BoBoThunder]

Loving the look of the Gunslinger Hunter but I'm anxious to see what tweaks they do to the Nightstalker subclass given that they got rid of the Defender Titan and self-revive Sunsinger Warlock as the aforementioned Hunter subclass was extremely useful in raids as were the Defender/Sunsinger.

I'd love for every class/subclass to become viable in the new raid instead of having basically one for each class being mainstays and the idea of having to have a particular subclass be part of a Fireteam to complete a raid encounter.

WotM made strides towards subclass diversity, I hope it continues.

Agreed. I'm excited to see how people will use the class abilities (like Hunters Marksman Dodge) and how it will work with the different subclasses.

I like that each class has a skill that can be used with every subclass. Gunslingers can now dodge. Titans can put up a barrier, and warlocks and make.. an... enegry puddle?

 

[MythicReclaimer]

I'm also craving the idea of rolling with a Hand Cannon/Assault Rifle/Sniper or Hand Cannon/Scout Rifle/traditional Heavy weapon loadout which leads me to believing the change to weapon slots is going to have the biggest impact on the gameplay/gunplay and balance side of things across all modes of play.

 

[Juan]

Ah! So what you're saying is TTK is more of a sequel than D2. Why you feel like shitting up the community section is beyond me.

Is regular ass gaming side trolling not en vogue these days?

I said TTK added improvements that were worthy of a sequel, yes.

What is beyond me is your reaction toward simple impressions from a gameplay reveal. You should really calm down dude. You are here more than me the real troll.

If D2 is really D1.5, then Halo 2 is Halo 1.5 and Uncharted 2 was Uncharted 1.5

I don't know for Uncharted, never played this game, but for Halo, I can tell you this is not true.

Halo 2 changed the way weapons behave in a Halo game (not an overall of course, but it really changed the way casual people were playing the game), changed vehicles physics, added boarding vehicles mechanic, dual wedding weapon, added a bran new faction (Brutes, Buggers, Centry Sentinels, which all behave very differently than existing ennemies), overall graphics, added Xbox Live, new weapon archetypes (not just new weapons), completely new settings for the campaign.

Then if you want to tell the same thing for Halo 3, then like H2, overall graphics, new weapons, new mechanic with the use of equipments, Forge (people could create content and maps with this tool), File Share (you could share the maps and gametypes you created), Theater (again, game changing back in the days where you didn't have Xbox DVR), completely new UI, customizable Spartans.

A lot of those things couldn't be added to the past Halo games with a DLC.

But yes, a sequel is still, in the end, added stuff over something that already exist. I'm not complaining about D2 being a reboot for D1. Destiny already was a solid game with a lot of stuff in term of feature (not talking about the content at launch).

I just feel a bit disappointed by what D2 is offering when they could have added so much more (Flying vehicle, boarding vehicle, Space Fight (maybe they will talk about this later, but I don't think so), Forge to create new map by yourself, Theater, Customizable Firefight like with the Prison of Elder, and I can go a long way with this (without being non-sense about what Destiny is offering).

D2 is even taking thing off from D1 with now a more "limited" PvP with only 4v4, so... (Again, not complaining, I like 4v4).

 

[PedroLumpy]

Plenty of unedited PvP and Strike footage on YT.

Cool, thanks!

 

[shingi70]

Is there a list of changes so far. Like what weapons are now promises and what are Power Weapons?

 

[blue_phazon]

Is anyone else really really excited to never set foot on Old Russia again?

I really love all the different environments they've shown so far. Like the white peaks with all the red foliage in the Strike footage.

gushing right now

 

[Juan]

Is anyone else really really excited to never set foot on Old Russia again?

Oh yeah! Tbh, Old Russia felt a bit boring to me. :/

EDZ makes me really curious, love the setting. Ios and Titan can be really cool too.

 

[Deku Tree]

I hope the D2 exotic raid weapon is Dual Swords!

 

[BoBoThunder]

Is anyone else really really excited to never set foot on Old Russia again?

It would be interesting if the destination map would open up and have the D1 locations. Would this actually happen, no. But it would be cool. Going back to The cosmodrome and finding lost sectors.

 

[Kalamari]

From what I have seen of PvP footage, it looks like there will be less focus on movement and more emphasis on landing your shots. This is a good thing.

I hope there is a slower TTK and less aiming magnetism, you would at least have a chance of out-shooting your opponent if they get the drop on you.

 

[GustyGardens]

I already miss my Bones of Eo.

I've been watching a lot of the footage from yesterday and the game looks great. The first thing that stood out to me were the sounds. Everything sounds much more richer and solid, if that makes any sense. I'm looking forward to the Beta. I want to get my hands on it already.

I'm slightly skeptical about the 4v4 Crucible, but I think it'll be OK. I can already predict that Countdown is going to be the Iron Banner game of choice, and that's sorta fine. I'm more curious about Clash and Control/Zone Control, my most played game modes.

 

[The Lamonster]

It's been a while since I've played this. Lots of changes.

I need Silver Dust to buy goodies but I can't find a way to purchase it directly...

What is the most efficient way to acquire Silver Dust???

 

[Number45]

If I pre-order D2 through the UK PSN, it won't take the cash immediately will it? I mean IT SAYS IT WILL, but I don't think that's ever happened when I've pre-ordered through PSN (even when it's said that in big orange letters as it does now).

 

[GustyGardens]

It's been a while since I've played this. Lots of changes.

I need Silver Dust to buy goodies but I can't find a way to purchase it directly...

What is the most efficient way to acquire Silver Dust???

I don't think you can buy Silver Dust anymore, so you're going to want to do the Weeklies that offer the Age of Triumph boxes. That's the only place I've seen Silver Dust drop.

If I pre-order D2 through the UK PSN, it won't take the cash immediately will it? I mean IT SAYS IT WILL, but I don't think that's ever happened when I've pre-ordered through PSN (even when it's said that in big orange letters as it does now).

I'm in the US, but pre-ordering from the Playstation Store has always taken money out immediately.

 

[MythicReclaimer]

It's been a while since I've played this. Lots of changes.

I need Silver Dust to buy goodies but I can't find a way to purchase it directly...

What is the most efficient way to acquire Silver Dust???

You get 3 AoT Treasure Boxes per week for doing one Weekly Story Playlist mission, Weekly Heroic Strike Playlist, and Weekly Crucible Playlist which sometimes give out gun ornaments which you can dismantle for 5 Silver Dusts each. Plus, the treasure boxes give you 2 Silver Dusts (I believe) outright.

 

[bananafactory]

Hey guys. I played the campaign to completion at launch but never did the raids.

I own the first 2 expansions and Taken King but not RoI. I'm level 34 I think.

Wanna go back and do Vault of Glass and maybe the second raid (if I'm high enough level). What's the best place to look to get 5 other people?

 

[shingi70]

If 4v4 is the new standard, does that mean trails will become doubles. I just can't see game types like rift or control being fun with only 4 people per team.

 

[Number45]

If 4v4 is the new standard, does that mean trails will become doubles. I just can't see game types like rift or control being fun with only 4 people per team.

Trials is becoming 4v4 if I understand correctly.

 

[BoBoThunder]

Hey guys. I played the campaign to completion at launch but never did the raids.

I own the first 2 expansions and Taken King but not RoI. I'm level 34 I think.

Wanna go back and do Vault of Glass and maybe the second raid (if I'm high enough level). What's the best place to look to get 5 other people?

Everyone here speaks volumes of https://www.the100.io/

But you can always. call on me if you need someone buddy

Edit: that sounded a tad weird. To clarify: I know bananafactory

 

[bananafactory]

Everyone here speaks volumes of https://www.the100.io/

But you can always. call on me if you need someone buddy

Edit: that sounded a tad weird. To clarify: I know bananafactory

I know you're in lol.

 

[Verano]

Soo...
Wheres footage of the new raid? They said later but we got nothin..

 

[BoBoThunder]

Soo...
Wheres footage of the new raid? They said later but we got nothin..

Probably at E3 or closer to the launch. I'm surprised they are going to show it at all. Since it is the end game content for s game that is not even out yet.

 

[Kukawaki]

Soo...
Wheres footage of the new raid? They said later but we got nothin..

I think they meant later later, like e3 later.

 

[GustyGardens]

Soo...
Wheres footage of the new raid? They said later but we got nothin..

I don't think you're going to get any raid footage for a couple months, and even then I think it's going to be a teaser trailer. That's one aspect of the game you don't want to have too much information about.

 

[Spoo]

Heh, some of y'all are brave to be in Gaming engaging with some of this. I mean, I have my own issues with the game as we know so far, but I'm also a huge fan of Destiny like you guys, so I'm trying to be a positive but critical influence rather than a D2-is-D1.5 person or something.

I think if you engage with people you'll find that their accusations aren't completely troll or anything. There's some of that going on, sure, but I think just a lot of people need to be talked off the edge of the cliff rather than pushed, if you know what I mean.

 

[stay gold]

If 4v4 is the new standard, does that mean trails will become doubles. I just can't see game types like rift or control being fun with only 4 people per team.

Fun? Yes, but also a lot more competitive and intense than 6v6, which some won't like.

I wouldn't be surprised if they bring in something like BTB or Warzone (from Halo) for a more relaxed option post launch.

 

[Spoo]

Out of curiosity: I actually think 4v4 across the board is a good choice. It will help them develop consistent maps across various game types, make Trials fresh, and reduce lag / artillery spam.

Is there anyone here who thinks it's a really good idea all things considered, or are people really going to miss the 3v3 vs. 6v6 nature of the previous game?

 

[BoBoThunder]

Out of curiosity: I actually think 4v4 across the board is a good choice. It will help them develop consistent maps across various game types, make Trials fresh, and reduce lag / artillery spam.

Is there anyone here who thinks it's a really good idea all things considered, or are people really going to miss the 3v3 vs. 6v6 nature of the previous game?

I hope trials goes 2v2. And I agree that the maps will be more consistent in size if they reduced the amount of people 8.

 

[Spoo]

I hope trials goes 2v2. And I agree that the maps will be more consistent in size if they reduced the amount of people 8.

Trials is going to be, frankly, very different nomatter what the makeup is.

Now, people can randomly queue up for Trials through Guided games. If it's 4 v 4, that will probably happen a *lot* more frequently. In essence, this may make Trials more like year 1 -- less difficult overall, because of the randomness. And that's to say nothing of the PvP changes themselves to streamline the complexity.

 

[stay gold]

Out of curiosity: I actually think 4v4 across the board is a good choice. It will help them develop consistent maps across various game types, make Trials fresh, and reduce lag / artillery spam.

Is there anyone here who thinks it's a really good idea all things considered, or are people really going to miss the 3v3 vs. 6v6 nature of the previous game?

I agree 4v4 is best. 6v6 was kind of the chill out playlist though where you could hide from SBMM (to an extent). Hopefully we get ranked and casual playlists.

 

[Spoo]

Someone linked this elsehwere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FcfEU1FLy0&feature=youtu.be&t=4254

Super interesting. Not only is trials 4v4, for sure, but they are going back to connection-based rather than win-based Trials. Also, since guided games works, Trials basically has random match making now.

Trials is easy mode now, or more fun? Thoughts?

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Soo...
Wheres footage of the new raid? They said later but we got nothin..

I think they meant later later, like e3 later.

I don't think you're going to get any raid footage for a couple months, and even then I think it's going to be a teaser trailer. That's one aspect of the game you don't want to have too much information about.

Bungie will never show any raid footage. Maybe a few snippets here and there, but they like to keep it a secret till the raid comes out.

 

[Raven117]

Bungie will never show any raid footage. Maybe a few snippets here and there, but they like to keep it a secret till the raid comes out.

Da way it should be.

If you grinded up all the way to be Raid ready in Destiny, then you definitely enjoy the game and want to go in fresh...no spoiler...hell, not even opening the door. (VoG).

Raiding is awesome.

 

[SmartWaffles]

Hey guys. I played the campaign to completion at launch but never did the raids.

I own the first 2 expansions and Taken King but not RoI. I'm level 34 I think.

Wanna go back and do Vault of Glass and maybe the second raid (if I'm high enough level). What's the best place to look to get 5 other people?

You need to level up to 40 first which is easy, and then gear up to around LL300 to access the level 320 King's Fall raid, sadly though, the option for you to get there is extremely limited as end game activities have moved on to RoI.

 

[BoBoThunder]

Mini-rant incoming:

I don't really understand the hate the reveal is getting.. People want more Content... Destiny 2 has more content. People are saying that the Cabal content was supposed to be in Destiny thanks to the screenshot showing the early Destiny production timeline. Timelines change. People wanted in-game LFG, Guided Games. People complaining about the HUD looking similar... has anyone complained about this since the first Halo? FPS HUDs have not changed since then.

The keyword here is "Reveal". we have E3 and months for Bungie to talk about this more.

If people are still upset after that, fine - don't buy the game. Show Bungie that you're upset with your wallet.

Done. Can anyone tell I'm excited for D2? Is that too noticeable?

 

[blue_phazon]

Mini-rant incoming:

I don't really understand the hate the reveal is getting.. People want more Content... Destiny 2 has more content. People are saying that the Cabal content was supposed to be in Destiny thanks to the screenshot showing the early Destiny production timeline. Timelines change. People wanted in-game LFG, Guided Games. People complaining about the HUD looking similar... has anyone complained about this since the first Halo? FPS HUDs have not changed since then.

The keyword here is "Reveal". we have E3 and months for Bungie to talk about this more.

If people are still upset after that, fine - don't buy the game. Show Bungie that you're upset with your wallet.

Done. Can anyone tell I'm excited for D2? Is that too noticeable?

If it makes you feel better, I'm willing to bet that more people are excited than disappointed.

And gaf always has a negative gut reaction to online only games with microtransactions. It doesn't reflect the real world.

Besides, we all know the Destiny community is full of good vibes and beautiful people. They wouldn't fit in anyway

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Because people are telling D2 could be just a DLC for D1 and no one would see the difference (and they are not so wrong)?

Could it? Those people can tell this from a 10 minute reveal video and some early footage?

There is a reason why Bungie went with Destiny 2 as a new game and not continue on with their intended 10 year plan of Destiny with expansions. The tools and framework for Destiny 1 were very limiting so they had to build a new set and you can't do that with the same game.

People love to throw around shit like that without knowing the full story. We don't even have any details yet about the size of the story, number of missions, pvp modes and maps, etc. But they will be enough and plenty to exceed the content of TTK, which was a $40 expansion.

You can call Destiny 2 an expansion if you want, but it will cost $60 and have content enough to warrant the price.

Don't get me wrong, I think a sequel shouldn't be so different from the original game, but at least, a sequel give things that couldn't be achieve with past games (look at Mass Effect, Halo, Assassin's Creed, and I'm just giving big names here).

That is exactly what bungie have done and the fact that people can not see it is mind boggling.

Ah! So what you're saying is TTK is more of a sequel than D2.

Why you feel like shitting up the community section is beyond me.

Is regular ass gaming side trolling not en vogue these days?

I think you need to calm down Glam.

Juan has some fair points and tbh, a lot of people (even from this community) will agree with those points.

Leaving last gen behind, Destiny 2 will have a lot of changes in the framework and take away restrictions that held the first game back. However, the sequel feels similar and familiar enough that it could be confused with a big sized expansion (like TTK), but it's not.

 

[chur]

Damn, I started reading some of those Destiny 2 threads. The hate is real. The reveal didn't knock my socks off, but i still know I'm going to sink hundreds of hours into Destiny 2.

The worst part out of all of this is that if Destiny 2 doesn't melt faces, we'll have 3 years of "Destiny 2 is just DLC". Ugh.

 

[Arrrammis]

I'm taking pretty much everything from the reveal with a grain of salt. To me, it was basically saying that there is a Destiny 2, showing off some gameplay (which may or may not change before the final release), and exploring some of the basic game areas/mechanics/etc.. There's no way that they would have shown everything at the first reveal, so I'm waiting until the E3 news before I get salty about it not being everything people hoped for.

 

[therealminime]

I'm really curious to learn more about the patrol zones, they sound super interesting. I suspect we'll get that at E3. Also, most importantly I am curious about how big the game turns out to be. How many strikes, how many story missions, how much to do in the patrol zones (sounds like a decent amount). Also how much are the environments reused, I'd hope not much, there was too much of that in D1, especially post TTK.

 

[zethren]

I'm there Day 1, man. I was for D1 back then, and I still love the game. The community rocks, even if I'm mainly a lurker around these parts haha. I'm stoked, and I'm glad to see generally positive anticipation out of DGAF.

 

[jmvmadeira]

Mini-rant incoming:

I don't really understand the hate the reveal is getting.. People want more Content... Destiny 2 has more content. People are saying that the Cabal content was supposed to be in Destiny thanks to the screenshot showing the early Destiny production timeline. Timelines change. People wanted in-game LFG, Guided Games. People complaining about the HUD looking similar... has anyone complained about this since the first Halo? FPS HUDs have not changed since then.

The keyword here is "Reveal". we have E3 and months for Bungie to talk about this more.

If people are still upset after that, fine - don't buy the game. Show Bungie that you're upset with your wallet.

Done. Can anyone tell I'm excited for D2? Is that too noticeable?

It's Destiny and it's Gaf. People will go out of their way to downplay Destiny.

I've read it all. It's a DLC, i't looks the same as destiny 1, it plays the same...

It's not 60 FPS on console, it's only 4v4 on MP, etc,etc.

There was a post earlier about someone that by his own admission only played 1 hour of Destiny 1 on release but was saying that the game looked the same

All the above based on 1 hour preview.

I liked what i saw. Not too sure about 4x4 crucible, but we will see what modes they bring forward

It will be fun to explore the new worlds and sub classes

 

[bananafactory]

You need to level up to 40 first which is easy, and then gear up to around LL300 to access the level 320 King's Fall raid, sadly though, the option for you to get there is extremely limited as end game activities have moved on to RoI.

Isn't the requirement for VoG 20? I could at least do that one

 

[Trickster]

Mini-rant incoming:

I don't really understand the hate the reveal is getting.. People want more Content... Destiny 2 has more content. People are saying that the Cabal content was supposed to be in Destiny thanks to the screenshot showing the early Destiny production timeline. Timelines change. People wanted in-game LFG, Guided Games. People complaining about the HUD looking similar... has anyone complained about this since the first Halo? FPS HUDs have not changed since then.

The keyword here is "Reveal". we have E3 and months for Bungie to talk about this more.

If people are still upset after that, fine - don't buy the game. Show Bungie that you're upset with your wallet.

Done. Can anyone tell I'm excited for D2? Is that too noticeable?

There's plenty of posts explaining in detail what their problem with the game so far is. I guess they just get drowned out by driveby shitposts and the heated discussions between people of different viewpoints.

Not gonna make a super long post. But I'll try address the things you mention.

Stuff like more content and proper lfg tools. This is of course a good thing. But it's also some of the things that for many felt woefully lacking about Destiny 1. As such their inclusion isn't really an amazing feat in itself, but rather an expected basic necessity

The HUD looking very close to the one in Destiny 1 is not really a big deal by itself. But there are several things that come together to make Destiny 2 looks extremely similar to Destiny 1, which is part of why people are saying it looks like an expansion of Destiny 1 rather than a sequel. So it's not the HUD on it's own, that people are taking issue with. But rather it's all the visual elements (hud, graphics, animations and enemies). That all look very similar to Destiny 1. There's honestly a bunch of stuff that that I'm pretty sure is copy pasted

As for this being the reveal and there's going to be more shown later. That doesn't matter. And yes, I know the immediate reaction is probably "well of course it does!". But it doesn't, not to people who got burnt by Destiny 1. Because with Destiny 1 that was the same kind of thing people told them. "It's just the alpha", "it's just the beta", "there are obviously area's locked off!" etc.

And finally, telling people to vote with their wallet is a moot point and not how things work. I mean have fun playing Destiny 2 if only the shitposters who don't buy it is who Bungie takes feedback from. Being critical of a game, and playing and enjoying that game is not mutually exclusive

 

[BoBoThunder]

There's plenty of posts explaining in detail what their problem with the game so far is. I guess they just get drowned out by driveby shitposts and the heated discussions between people of different viewpoints.

Not gonna make a super long post. But I'll try address the things you mention.

Stuff like more content and proper lfg tools. This is of course a good thing. But it's also some of the things that for many felt woefully lacking about Destiny 1. As such their inclusion isn't really an amazing feat in itself, but rather an expected basic necessity

The HUD looking very close to the one in Destiny 1 is not really a big deal by itself. But there are several things that come together to make Destiny 2 looks extremely similar to Destiny 1, which is part of why people are saying it looks like an expansion of Destiny 1 rather than a sequel. So it's not the HUD on it's own, that people are taking issue with. But rather it's all the visual elements (hud, graphics, animations and enemies). That all look very similar to Destiny 1. There's honestly a bunch of stuff that that I'm pretty sure is copy pasted

As for this being the reveal and there's going to be more shown later. That doesn't matter. And yes, I know the immediate reaction is probably "well of course it does!". But it doesn't, not to people who got burnt by Destiny 1. Because with Destiny 1 that was the same kind of thing people told them. "It's just the alpha", "it's just the beta", "there are obviously area's locked off!" etc.

And finally, telling people to vote with their wallet is a moot point and not how things work. I mean have fun playing Destiny 2 if only the shitposters who don't buy it is who Bungie takes feedback from. Being critical of a game, and playing and enjoying that game is not mutually exclusive

I respect this. Just Venting a bit. I'm going to have fun playing Destiny 2. I've enjoyed my time with The og Destiny.

 

[Juan]

Could it? Those people can tell this from a 10 minute reveal video and some early footage?

There is a reason why Bungie went with Destiny 2 as a new game and not continue on with their intended 10 year plan of Destiny with expansions. The tools and framework for Destiny 1 were very limiting so they had to build a new set and you can't do that with the same game.

Like I said plenty of time, I'm only judging from what I've seen so far. And I'm stating, still a personal pov, that everything I've seen so far could be a DLC for D1.

I'm not saying this is bad stuff. Just that it does give me as much hype as RoI did, which is not a lot.

Actually, I know Bungie reworked their tools to give content at a faster pace than before, and I hope they really did and this is not just a marketing tool. For this, we shall see in the future, but no one can argue right know they will give us more content than before since no one know about this, so please, no more argument based on speculations.

That is exactly what bungie have done and the fact that people can not see it is mind boggling.

Maybe I'm really missing something about D2 here, so I'm going to ask and tell you this is a real question and not trolling stuff. Apart from the guided game and the reskinned abilities/weapon, what thing did you have see that could not have be done as a DLC for D1 during the reveal?

Again, being part of the community doesn't mean you agree with everything the developers are giving you. I follow Bungie since Halo CE, was excited about D1, and I'm still looking forward to play D2 (but when they will give us a full pack with the game and all the DLCs in One year).

Trickster made an excellent post in the Gaming Side about this:

How is saying it feels like an expansion something you see a problem with exactly?

You really can't see how people could think that based on the what has been shown? The new enemy is "just" a different branch of one of the established enemy factions. Visually the game has not improved much, especially when you consider that the first game was a cross-gen game. The UI looks more or less identical, to the point that I'm fairly certain that at least a chunk of it is literally copy pasted. The strike seemed to work exactly like they do in D1, it even has the oversized bulletsponge boss with adds.

It's not just on the macro level of "hey there are still the same gametypes and weapon types". There's just a ton of things that can be pointed to which make the game look very much like Destiny 1. Depending on who you are and what you wanted to see, the way Destiny 2 looks can be fine and it can be disappointing.

I'm optimistic that it will be good, if only because they showed me that they could make something good with Destiny 1 in TTK. But I would be lying if I didn't also say that I expected Destiny 2 to be more different from Destiny 1 than what they showed.

 

[DVPredator85]

I like what I saw in the reveal, specifically the narrative strides the game seems to have made compared to D1...BUT... I'm still sour about no 60fps on console.

That's what a lot of pvp players want.

In Destiny 1 the reason was last gen, but how can they say current consoles don't have enough power, when there's plenty of other games running at 60fps on PS4/X1.

I don't know all the technnical aspects of it, but I do know it's not something unattainable.

I'll get the "Plebstation" version on Sep. 8th, but next year when my budget gets more PC friendly, I'm jumping over.

What really sucks is that not everyone will double dip, and it's just gonna split up the community, albeit not terribly, but it will happen to some extent.

 

[Deku Tree]

You can call Destiny 2 an expansion if you want, but it will cost $60 and have content enough to warrant the price.

That digital deluxe version is costing me $100.

 

[darknil]

Man, no one asked about cross save support. That would be ideal for me and would allow me to throw more money to activision.

 

[TyrantII]

I just feel a bit disappointed by what D2 is offering when they could have added so much more (Flying vehicle, boarding vehicle, Space Fight (maybe they will talk about this later, but I don't think so), Forge to create new map by yourself, Theater, Customizable Firefight like with the Prison of Elder, and I can go a long way with this (without being non-sense about what Destiny is offering).

D2 is even taking thing off from D1 with now a more "limited" PvP with only 4v4, so... (Again, not complaining, I like 4v4).

Well, we got three to four years with this base game ahead, and all of that can be added. Don't forget, one of their main objectives is to be more content heavy and push Destiny as a service/community vs the traditional release and forget model.

Truth be told the only thing I'd like out of that list is really Crucible dog fighting in our ships, and throw in a ship battle minigame when loading (Dodge and destroy space debris in the slipstream?)

4v4 is wierd to me. I wonder how much this is design vs the need to free up resources on the XB1/PS4 versions. Cutting 1/3 the players from crucible is quite a lot of overhead. Also makes me wondering if they were toying with the idea of 30 PVE / 60PVP...

In Destiny 1 the reason was last gen, but how can they say current consoles don't have enough power, when there's plenty of other games running at 60fps on PS4/X1.

I don't know all the technnical aspects of it, but I do know it's not something unattainable.

Destiny's got a ton of AI, alpha effects, shaders, and particle effects going on at any one time. It's art style downplays just how intensive and resource hungry it is, especially on CPU struggling consoles.

I'm betting they could pull it off on PRO/Scorpio at 1080P, but then you split the console base into have and have nots. I could GAF, but Sony/MS/Bungie doesn't want talk of the master race and poors within their own console generation for sure.

I'm most number there won't be cross save. I would be buying two copies of I could switch back and forth and retain my character, loot, and progress.