Eddie Griffin
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Im more interested in the sales figures. Not a word yet right?
Destiny - Review Thread
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Im more interested in the sales figures. Not a word yet right?
Coolade
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Yes
Hype already sold the game, DLC pre orders are going to keep people playing the game regardless. Ideally future DLC packs add some interesting planets and missions. This game is a long term investment even though it seems rather sparse at the moment. Wasn't this game a 10 year plan? Just have to wait and see...
As opposed to what? That's basically exactly what I see with Destiny's enemies as well. They might have a few little behaviors that exhibit some intelligent reactions but on the whole, lets not pretend they are even remotely 'smart' AI. I actually see quite a bit of standard dumb AI.
There might be a difference, but I don't think its so dramatic. From what I've seen at least.
Actually, a few people started to derail the thread with some light hearted trolling and the Bungie employee joined in until a mod told everyone to cool it.
Not sure what to say.
Every single match I've played in Destiny, every single one has had at least one unique moment where the AI feels like it's trying to outsmart me.
That never happened to me in BL.
ethomaz
Banned
$500m sales day one.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Redemption is the second Red Dead game. The first being Red Dead Revolver, which wasn't nearly as good as Redemption.
A little late but two similar ideas:
1. It's just more of what was seen in the beta, so anyone hoping for new surprises or more interesting story missions did not get them.
2. What worked for the time span of the beta does not work for the time span of the full game, so it'd be amazing then but lukewarm when stretched fully.
EDIT: I also think people expected more on the story front. Not necessarily something big and bombastic but, say... learning more about the universe, maybe some sort of Flood-esque twist happening, but it seems like that for the universe they built it's pretty much Diablo 1 or something. Less actually, as that had something of a twist ending.
MightyHedgehog
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Yeah, I'm not sure why his performance is always treated as his fault when the dialogue writer(s) were responsible for what he says, the audio team were the ones to direct him for how he says it, and ultimately were the ones to decide which lines made it into the game. I say this as someone who didn't give two fucks about the storytelling in the game nor do I factor it in for my enjoyment of the game. My issues are with the gameplay itself.
10 years and 3 games.
Those are the shipped figures, not sold.
Well I've had vandals distract me whilst those flying shanks flank me, get up close and shoot me. You have Dregs that run up to you and hit you and then run away when things get too hot and then try to flank to you. I've thrown grenades at Captains to have them fall back and let the 'lesser' enemies in the hierarchy take the full brunt. You have the Wizards who try desperately to get out of your line of sight when you're whittling down their shield etc. You do have the enemies that rush you such as the Thrall and that's when you are forced to desperately move back and I think it's the cursed Thrall that explode too. But there are many different AI behaviours that force you to react quickly/in different ways. It makes you earn your kills at times and that's why I find the combat to be such a rush. Don't get me wrong it COULD be better, without a doubt, but I'm genuinely surprised if you can't tell the difference between Destiny and Borderlands. I hope this is something Bungie continue tweaking in updates etc.
These become even more prominent on the Harder difficulties and they become more aggressive (well it's felt like that to me!). I've never really felt any of that from the Borderlands games. In the Borderlands games you get a better weapon and are on the same level you guaranteed to kill the next batch of mobs, in Destiny whilst of course having a better weapon makes a good bit of difference you are never absolutely assured to win a combat encounter.
I also don't blame companies to an extent for not concentrating on AI even though it's something that improves a game tenfold. AI is incredibly hard to do and even in FPS the only games that have ever impressed me were FEAR and the Halo games (even Halo 1 now still). If I disliked FPS with basic AI I would have stopped playing them years ago
I have no problem with mobs being braindead, it's a part of loot em ups, I just wish the Borderlands games would nail their core mechanics better/more satifsying. I realise this is personal to the individual, but if they had the FPS equivalent of how crunchy and satisfying Diablo 3's combat is the game would be soooooo much better for me.That's why it's so rare to see these days, especially in the AAA budget gaming space. You can't show off AI to the average joe on the street in an advert but it's something that can make a game so much more fun to play.
squattingdonkey
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Have they said if we're getting free content updates as well? I really did enjoy the beta and would like to pick this up. I don't have tons of free time for games, so even if its low on content it might last me a little time. But if it's so low on content, have they said if they'll ve adding area or strikes or anything for free or do they expect us to by the game and expansions to get a reasonable amount of content?
Dat spin
No offense but having your 60/80/150 dollar game be sparse in content, thus acknowledging that your franchise is really that much of a service is not something to be proud of.
It was a sequel in name only and wasn't even made by the same developer. C'mon now.
ArkkAngel007
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Probably already addressed, but that was sold in to retailers, not sold through to consumers. But Activision still gets the money and that much will likely sell through easily this holiday.
The Raid they deliberately held back. There's also an event later this month that is either a Reef strike (doubt it) or some difficulty multiplier/twist to the missions we have. They'll also host some Crucible events such as unlocking Iron Banner for weekends like they did in the Beta.
TetraGenesis
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I KNOW. Ugh. I find that to be one of the least attractive behaviors on Gaf. And it happens fairly often.
texhnolyze
Banned
It's been like that for years. Devs do that kind of speech for their alpha/beta mmo/online games. Nothing new here.
Destiny: Everlasting Light edition will be awesome in 2016.
We get it. You want this game to be a Diablo-esque loot grind. It isn't. For many the gun/element variations at sub-level 20 are more than enough.
Also all this BL2 swooning people are throwing around about weapon/enemy types most be remembering wrong. The VAST majority of enemies were bandits and Hyperion Soldiers.
If they dont ship more, they only broke even...
Fbh
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GT posted an "Editorial" about the game (Review isn't ready yet):
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/6yprqc/destiny-report--destiny-launch-recap
And it also seems to be in line with what most people are saying.
Not terrible but really really underwhelming
Do you honesly think the game will stop selling?
The reviews might hurt sales but it's still an incredibly hyped game and it will still sell a TON. Not to mention that there are A LOT of people that just buy the next big game they saw in all the ads and right now that's Destiny
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/6yprqc/destiny-report--destiny-launch-recap
And it also seems to be in line with what most people are saying.
Not terrible but really really underwhelming
Do you honesly think the game will stop selling?
The reviews might hurt sales but it's still an incredibly hyped game and it will still sell a TON. Not to mention that there are A LOT of people that just buy the next big game they saw in all the ads and right now that's Destiny
tokyobanana
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500m dollars is roughly 8 million copies shipped to retail and sold on digital as there are higher priced limited edition SKUs.
To me the upside of that assuming a 50% sell through should be a vibrant large community from day 1. I see it on GAF but it feels like a lot of the complaints are that the vibrancy and density of the community isn't felt in-game. Which is not good.
To me the upside of that assuming a 50% sell through should be a vibrant large community from day 1. I see it on GAF but it feels like a lot of the complaints are that the vibrancy and density of the community isn't felt in-game. Which is not good.
I really do think that Bungie is going to do a Diablo III 2.0 style update that overhauls how certain backend systems work as well as a few gameplay changes. At least, I'd like to think that they would.
Forsaken82
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No it isn't...
Even with a shitty script, you should still be putting some effort into the delivery of the lines, and in most cases, he does not.
Some might argue its because he is an AI, yet there are lines that don't feel phoned in and feel genuine. You can't have it both ways. If all of it was recorded wooden and lacking emotion than sure, I could buy the argument that the script failed, but thats not the case.
The Voice acting is very inconsistent. Towards the beginning, I think he was actually pretty good, but around the Level 3 Story Mission or so you start to notice less effort in his line delivery like he had been recording for 15 hours that day and he just was out of it.
Xplatformer
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An above average game, that I'll probably invest 200 hours into before all is said and done.
I love the gameplay, and I love the "potential" the universe presents coupled with the gameplay I love.
Things I want as DLC over the next two years....
I love the gameplay, and I love the "potential" the universe presents coupled with the gameplay I love.
Things I want as DLC over the next two years....
- Double the number of planets
- There should be 4 playable cities on earth (Los Angeles, New York, Paris, Tokyo)
- Space combat should have been incorporated into gameplay
- 3rd person should also have been an option for not just 5 minutes and the tower
- More "real" social aspects
- A more fleshed out story than simply what is given to us in cards
Uno Venova
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It was pretty crazy how he said pretty much nothing and people had their Albert Penello-like acceptance of every rosy word.
Me back then:
People can't use the "well the game probably changed a lot from its 2013 reveal, everybody knew this" excuse when one of the designers romanticized the game in late July.
Lactose_Intolerant
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It was pretty sad, people just gave the whole discussion a pass after the pr guy came in and said nothing on the topic of the thread. Here's the quote
edit, MormaPope beat me
The game crewing needs to fix this, but if you add a decent amount of friends who are actively playing it becomes a non issue.
Not ideal, but I haven't ever felt alone playing Destiny. It's a shame many players will though, and its baffling how Bungie focused so much on the social aspects while ignoring them just as much.
That's the entire point. He was always going to phone it In with the poor script he was given.
It's the scripts fault, not his. He had nothing to inspire him or bounce off.
Maybe a big update will be out in time for the DLC or expansions. But we already know that anything major will be dealt with in the sequels. And all of us know Activision wants them to get a sequel out within the next 2-3 years.
The Librarian
Banned
Okay? What did he say wrong?
shinobi602
Member
He/she came into a thread and attempted to deflate discussion and criticism with fluffy PR. He didn't say anything wrong in a sense, but it seems sorta grimy.
bananafactory
Banned
Dang, that giant bomb review deflated all my hype 
pretty much addressed all my fears from alpha/beta and confirmed that they're still a problem
pretty much addressed all my fears from alpha/beta and confirmed that they're still a problemAt least Bungie didn't put out an ad campaign claiming they would make us their bitches.
Fuck it, good on them. Go for the jugular.
WrenchNinja
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Did you read the bolded? There is no increase in breath or scope with the game past the moon. Reaching level 20 isn't a huge game changer.
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