[Destructoid] Leaked photo of NX controller?
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Acceptance of it being fake? Lol
Pokemaniac
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Why not just call it a mock-up then? Why go through all this effort to pass it off as the real thing (unless this really is completely fake, as I suspect)?
Black and White still launched before. 3DS wasn't released until the following year.
Plus the 3DS is not comparable to the DS at all.
Why are people still using the demo as evidence when the Reddit guy explicitly said it was from UE4 the day he leaked the photo?
I'm just saying, things are getting more interesting.
the ballooning costs of mega games is completely tied to the health of the hardware market. it's what led to so many closures and mergers, and fewer games being made in this generation. it leads to less variety and decreases risk. every game that comes out needs to be received really well or at least sell a lot. the result is developers catering to an increasingly smaller base of consumers - those with inelastic demand (thank you opiate). this is a problem when the rest of the industry changes around you, making it harder to adapt to a changing marketplace. japan's been a pretty good indicator of where the video game market goes, and even though consoles aren't a thing, the idea of catering to that one reliable fanbase has changed the output of games so that the moe crowd has a bigger interest in even previously successful titles. i don't think it's a coincidence that kancolle sold like it did or that fire emblem has waifu petting. the output on the ps4 and xb1 is the western equivalent.
indies don't need mobile platforms for success. the games i mentioned are popular on steam and pc. i'm not sure no man's sky would be a retail release without sony's help, and the witness is a good example of one game happening by itself that way. i just am not seeing this general interest in retail from indies, nor do i think people are buying dedicated hardware for indie games. more likely, people are buying dedicated hardware for bigger games and stumble across indie games they might have heard about.
the thing about steam is that it offers western gamers what mobile offers japanese gamers. it's a convenient way to access cheaper and accessible games. it's largely community based and there are sales that offer visibility on lesser-known titles all the time. just conceptually, steam is so different in that it lists all of these games side by side. i can find gone home and metal gear solid v in the same marketplace because that's what steam is. i can't go into retailers and find those two games on the shelf in the ps4 section. dedicated hardware isn't geared towards a breadth of games to buy on a whim. your point also ignores that pc business has radically changed. not only are games with lower requirements acceptable enough that they can become successes (five nights at freddy's, amnesia, or what have you), but you no longer have to physically buy them either. i can play bastion or hotline miami on my 2008 macbook pro and i never had to leave my home and they work fine. steam broke down a lot of barriers that had made pc gaming niche for a long time.
your last point for handheld games: first-party developers and third-party developers definitely do not view handheld dedicated gaming devices and mobile in the same way. the fact that audiences are moving from one thing to another is a threat to the dedicated gaming space and not proof that the hardware is the same. we don't section off what hardware is due to audiences.
Silent_Ocarina
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I agree the demo isn't indicative one way or the other, but Reddit guy only confirmed it after we figured it out ourselves. He wasn't in a position to deny it or anything.
OrbitalBeard
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We got Pokemon Sun & Moon launching this holiday and some of you still think the handheld is gonna launch first and not the dead ass Wii U where even Zelda NX is practically confirmed
I don't think Pokemon releasing this fall is an indicator of anything. Black and White 2 on DS released over a year and a half after the launch of the 3DS.
The 3ds was originally supposed to come out at around the time black and white came out and even still it launched only 4 months later.
And...the ds is not comparable to the 3ds? Huh? What?
Exterminieren
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In Japan, Black and White launched six months before the 3DS, and the 3DS was backwards compatible. This time, we might be looking at Sun and Moon launching worldwide at roughly (or even exactly) at the same time as NX, and without news of backwards compatibility or even an NX port I wouldn't be calling the situations the same.
If it's a mockup designed to look identical to the real thing what is the difference? The way it looks is a secret either way.
Or, less interesting, as the leaker's most recent post is contradictory to he/she saying he has spent time with the unit and would try to take a video instead of a picture if possible, so stinks of Internet troll, thus more likely fake. Also if he was given the photo, whoever gave it to him would be so pissed at the leaker it's ludicrous to think he would still be posting anything on reddit. Less interesting.
Graphics Horse
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dev contacts Nintendo and tells them they want to put a game on super secretive NX platform.
Nintendo tells them they can't have any details until date x and general devkits will be distributed around date y.
How do we conclude that the console launches first from that?
OrbitalBeard
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Yeah, the situations aren't the same but I think the point people are trying to make is that Pokemon isn't really a good example to use for whether or not the handheld is launching this year. That series does what it wants, when it wants to.
ds was one of the best selling video game systems ever. the 3ds beat the game boy's first seven years on the market and that's one of the really good things you can say about the machine's sales.
the expectation of the 3ds was that it would continue the trajectory of nintendo's rise in sales since they started making handhelds. the expectation of the nx is that it has to be a new beginning. a big 3ds exclusive like that when the nx releases and may not be backwards compatible with 3ds is not a great plan. i can definitely understand a port though.
This is true.
Well TPC never released direct sequels to mainline games on different hardware. Even Emerald was released in 2005 on GBA.
The exception is Crystal version which was always more of an "upgrade" like the DSi rather than a true new iteration.
Basically what Anihawk said. DS install base rivals PS2. The 3DS was like Regigigas.
Fourth Storm
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I did get the impression that the poster took the picture initially as well, but looking back at his (her?) history, that was never actually claimed.
Implied though, and saying you'll try to take a video tomorrow is a level of access that doesn't match up with more recent posts. So yeah, just seems like a bunch of bs imo.
Graphics Horse
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Well it's still le weekend so who knows.
It's not like other images couldn't be quickly generated at least for the majority of us who don't think it was put together solely in photoshop layers.
It's not like other images couldn't be quickly generated at least for the majority of us who don't think it was put together solely in photoshop layers.
Pokemaniac
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That still works as evidence for a couple reasons:
- We figured it out before they said anything, so claiming it was anything else would disprove the pic immediately.
- The way the screen in the image matches up with a still frame from the demo video as perfectly as it does is actually a bit suspicious. With the differences in how the cameras were positioned, you'd think there'd be visible differences in perspective.
True, true. I really just made that reply on autopilot when I noticed the missing detail. I didn't think enough about the context.
But the decision was made to not come to 3ds before it even launched... nobody had no way of knowing how well 3ds would do or not do...
Or maybe they are both coming out during the holidays of two seperate years?
And AMD just announced a new "Navi" gpu architecture...yes like Navi from OOT. I got all excited until i saw the planned 2018 release lol.
i think they'll launch both at the same time.
Reading back through this thread, I can see why Nintendo might be pissed by these sorta leaks, even if they're fake. I now understand Rösti's posts fully.
Everyone not liking the look of it has seemingly settled on two things:
1) Shape is pointless, uncomfortable, bad ergonomics. Thumbs will block the screen!
2) Touch screens suck! How will it work if my hand is resting on the screen? Need real buttons! Grrrrr
So even if Nintendo have thought of all those things and have thought of ingenious ways to mitigate them (eg: good ergonomics on the back, handgrips, new tech to get around accidental touch input as mentioned in patent, haptics etc, etc), this negative buzz will likely surround NX if it turns out to be even *remotely* like the leaked picture. Minds will be made up, before Nintendo even have the chance to explain their design solutions.
It's gonna be an uphill battle to communicate this product to consumers either way, and it just got a whole lot harder now we have all these under-informed, unchallenged opinions floating around.
Everyone not liking the look of it has seemingly settled on two things:
1) Shape is pointless, uncomfortable, bad ergonomics. Thumbs will block the screen!
2) Touch screens suck! How will it work if my hand is resting on the screen? Need real buttons! Grrrrr
So even if Nintendo have thought of all those things and have thought of ingenious ways to mitigate them (eg: good ergonomics on the back, handgrips, new tech to get around accidental touch input as mentioned in patent, haptics etc, etc), this negative buzz will likely surround NX if it turns out to be even *remotely* like the leaked picture. Minds will be made up, before Nintendo even have the chance to explain their design solutions.
It's gonna be an uphill battle to communicate this product to consumers either way, and it just got a whole lot harder now we have all these under-informed, unchallenged opinions floating around.
Nintendo can absolutely not afford to ride the Wii until fall 2017. The supply shortages suggest they are barely even making any Wii u units. One of them will launch this fall, and one by spring/early summer of 2017, or both will be this holiday. Maaaaybe 3ds can hold on until a fall 2017 release, but highly unlikely IMO.
If the NX handheld launches this year and is a big success they can absolutely afford to wait until 2017 for the home console. Regarding the WiiU "shortage" they are probably making a cheaper redesign of the WiiU that they7 will sell on the cheap.
Remember all those wiiu games people thought were going out of porint when in reality they were just waiting to release players choice versions.
No my point is it is safer to have one dominant software release all to itself on older hardware with a larger install base and then launch new hardware later all to itself.
TPC definitely knows when the handheld NX is launching and their reasoning for putting Sun & Moon out this holiday further supports that.
Also Trev's leak explicitly mentioned getting some of Zelda NX's marketing budget from the Wii U one. And we know Zelda Wii U is coming this year for sure. Everything points to a North American NX console launch for 2016.
People suggested in Trev's leak thread that they expect NX console in NA and Europe this year with NX handheld in JP this year. Then NX handheld in March 2017 for NA and Europe and NX console in March 2017 for JP. I agree with this theory.
Ok and I ask you this...which is a more sure thing to do well releasing this holiday? A new nintendo handheld or a new nintendo home console?
katsubento
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This sure better not be it.
You can think what you want. I'll eat crow if the home console (or hybrid if that's what happens) does not release before fall of 2017. The Wii u is dead, makes no sense to have nothing on the market in that space for over a year unless you are exiting that space (as in Sony exiting handhelds after Vita).
To do well? A console with the new Zelda sounds pretty appealing to a lot of people.
Plus the 3DS getting a price cut along with Sun & Moon launching means that will do a shit ton of numbers as well.
So I'm still siding with a console NX this year. 3DS still has software and support man, Wii U doesn't. Nintendo literally told us everything they have left in their latest direct. How casually was Paper Mario mentioned. The thing isn't even getting price drops like they did with the GCN, they know it's done.
That would be suicide for one of them. Most people would end up either getting one or the other and not both. It makes more since to launch both at two different times.
He didn't say which will do better overall, just that's it's safer to launch a home console with a higher price tag for the holidays, as larger purchases will be made. Handheld is cheaper so easier to buy just saying, what the heck I'll get one. Missing a holiday season if it's possible to not do that for a home console is a terrible idea, especially given the current state of the Wii U.
I don't understand why you have some kind of agenda to say the home console will not come out this fall. It would be a bad thing for Nintendo and the industry if it missed the 2016 holiday season. 3ds will still sell well holiday 2016, Wii u will not. Thus if Nintendo has any business sense, they will release the home console this holiday, provided it is ready to go.
Fourth Storm
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Yeah, I have a feeling that they will interact in some way that we are not fully grasping yet. That the WSJ mentioned a relationship between the home and handheld unit further solidifies this in my mind. There is also the report out of Japan that they are planning on shipping a greater number of LCD screens this year.
Highly highly unlikely.
why would a consumer need both if they play the same library? this allows people who want a handheld to get a handheld and those who want a console to get a console. the point for them is to create a large userbase so their software can sell, not sell a lot of hardware to the same userbase.
AcademicSaucer
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We got Pokemon Sun & Moon launching this holiday and some of you still think the handheld is gonna launch first and not the dead ass Wii U where even Zelda NX is practically confirmed
Monster hunter generations , dragon quest VIII , pokemon sun and moon ,Rhythm Heaven and a sonic game on 3ds late in the year. you are right.
OrbitalBeard
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This.
OR Nintendo launches the console first in the west, with the handheld in spring 2017 and Japan gets the reverse.
Graphics Horse
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The Wii U never did.
I don't expect a long gap between systems though, if there is a gap.
Yeah. They're gonna share shelf space for most of their lifetimes in either case, so why not from the getgo?
if i'm nintendo and i want to put an idea out there, i'd make sure it's as simple as possible.
let's say this controller is real - then i think it's both the main controller of the console as well as the actual handheld. if the main concept is haptic feedback on a customized touch screen, then that's what they can push hard. for the console version, it can just be additional hardware that, like the wii u, streams data to the controller. the controller also has juice in it to help with latency for off-screen play (since it's a controller). you can buy the console component separately, but it will be in limited availability and probably at a slightly higher price than if you bought the 'console'.
so at launch if you want zelda nx, you can play it on the television, and you can also play it on the go. and if you want pokemon sun/moon, you can play it on your handheld, or on your television when you get home.
let's say this controller is real - then i think it's both the main controller of the console as well as the actual handheld. if the main concept is haptic feedback on a customized touch screen, then that's what they can push hard. for the console version, it can just be additional hardware that, like the wii u, streams data to the controller. the controller also has juice in it to help with latency for off-screen play (since it's a controller). you can buy the console component separately, but it will be in limited availability and probably at a slightly higher price than if you bought the 'console'.
so at launch if you want zelda nx, you can play it on the television, and you can also play it on the go. and if you want pokemon sun/moon, you can play it on your handheld, or on your television when you get home.
anothertech
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One reason they might want to release them at the same time is pricing options.
299$ for condole, 199$ for handheld, 399$ for both or something like that.
299$ for condole, 199$ for handheld, 399$ for both or something like that.
perfectchaos007
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It's an iphone with real press button and thumbstick controls. I like
i'm thinking more along the lines of: $199.99 for the handheld, $299.99 for the console. both come with n-stars and an amiibo.
separate 'console' component by itself is $249.99. it's barebones, not really advertised, and only uses a basic controller, since some people might buy it accidentally).
Graphics Horse
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Are you saying that the console would literally ship with the handheld or just a terminal version of it?
It sounds expensive if it was the full thing.
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