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[Game4life]

It is a cinematic experience with combat being interupted by tons of QTEs, lack luster AI, but with good graphics and nice sound design. People acting like these 3-6 hours of game (the parts where you are ACTUALLY playing) as being XXX-good have at this point, for me, drank the coolaid.

The worst part is that people are comparing it to wolfenstein now, complaining that reviewers "just won't get it," that it is "art" and therefore beyond reproach, or that it is "sequel founding" and these dudes need our pity.

This game has brought out quite a weird string of apologeticas for AAA empty-headed experience. It is really making me question the actual values that a lot of GAFers purport to have when they "lol" at COD or other games. I find it bizarre.
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on topic: The internet is a hard place and is full of dicks. Those dicks do stupid things. But you are a company behind a massive corporation funding you and advertising your game. You can only expect so much leniency.

Everyone has different tastes. I mean you have people liking Crysis series and Metro of all games. The pinnacle of graphics over gameplay kind of games. I think they suck but I do not call out people who like that game as drinking the kool aid. Describing people who like games you dont as drinking the kool aid is pathetic.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I think the length is being targeted by many as a criticism because the core of the gameplay looks not to be particularly solid. QTEs, TPS segments, and the like are fine but when they take up a majority of a short game with lots of cutscenes, the criticism might be valid.

Ryse was guilty of all the above, and might be a suitable comparison to The Order.

Ryse has a substantial MP mode, though. If The Order had a MP mode, I think the campaign length wouldn't be as much of an issue.

 

[QaaQer]

It's true and gaf is full of them too.

mods are pretty good here, so gaf is a step above.

Most gaming forums are shit tho, unless you like trash talk and point scoring.

 

[Bananajama]

This game has had nothing but negative vibes at it since the beginning.

Some people haven't even given it a chance

 

[Stimpack]

That's the problem, it's not even out and they seem to be in full damage control mode rather than doing something like (for me personally if they want me to be interested in buying) making a gameplay trailer that makes it look like more than another post 2010 tps game. Not exactly confidence building when they can't come up with evidence to contradict the claims (which are at times over the top but you have to factor in the cutscene/qte/gameplay ratios and then, ek, wouldn't want to be RAD). Calling people bullies when there is indepth breakdowns of the criticism levelled at the game makes RAD seem like children (this would be based on how children will disregard facts and call people mean instead of giving proper answers).

Look at this bullying, for shame!

 

[Steverulez]

I think the length is being targeted by many as a criticism because the core of the gameplay looks not to be particularly solid. QTEs, TPS segments, and the like are fine but when they take up a majority of a short game with lots of cutscenes, the criticism might be valid.

Ryse was guilty of all the above, and might be a suitable comparison to The Order.

Ryse had multiplayer, which I enjoyed and put a lot of time into personally.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

It's the kind of attitude you'd expect more from an indie developer who hasn't been there before.

 

[semiconscious]

They seriously need to stop commenting at all.

fixed ...

looking forward to the game. but rad, do yourselves a favor: there're easily as many people excited about it as there are people dissing it. so, for now, just keep your cool, give us all a chance to play it, & then say whatever it is you want to...

 

[Exile20]

Let the game speak for itself

How much time do you have?

 

[ShamePain]

It deserves it? Really, it deserves? Wow... just... wow...

This doesn't imply that the hate is justified though.

 

[system11]

I never understood the hate for this game. Its exactly like every other shooter. If people hated on it for being generic, that's one thing but people are hating on it for things that nearly every other shooter has done. Seems weird to single this game out.

I don't think the borders helped. Borders mean you care more about making a playable cinematic than a cinematic game.

That said, it seems to be getting misproportionately high negative PR, same as Ryse did and I suspect for the same reasons. People expecting the world from new consoles and being presented with a pretty but traditional game.

My worry is that it will do so poorly off the back of media not even giving it a chance, that it makes devs shy away from single player games, and I'm really tired of shovelware multiplayer (Evolve) and Fucking Open World (Far Cry etc).

I really want single player story based games. The borders can die in a fire though.

 

[Mooreberg]

Devs should let the product speak for itself. This is not a case where Polygon completely misreported information or misinterpreted something that was said. There are videos on YouTube that prove the game length as a matter of fact. Nobody has had it long enough to speed run it.

 

[WordsintheWater]

Who here has read the interview? *crickets*

Do people even know how an interview works?

I did lol I guess I can't really expect everyone to do so though

 

[besada]

I probably won't eat their steak. At least not until it's a cheaper steak, which weirdly will still taste the same, even though it sat on a dusty table for six months.

That said, comparing people making negative remarks about a video game to bullying is asinine.

 

[Verendus]

Alright look The Order fans, accept it right now. Accept it right now. On this very day that The Order will not be in the the beloved child of the gaming community. Please accept it right now. I don't wanna hear you crying after Thursday when reviewers beat on it. I don't wanna hear you crying "I'm gonna make an online petition, I might make an online petition because I'm very upset". I don't wanna hear none of that bullshit. I just want you to accept it.

Now don't get me wrong I like The Order, solid TPS, I wish there'll be a sequel. I wish they get a chance to expand the story, I think it's a great setting. Right? Game isn't even released, but internet bullies already hate on it, don't even give it a chance, calling it a movie, and something that should be in theaters, not in their PS4s. The ultimate underdog versus the ultimate Internet just bthese bullies will crush anybody they beat anybody. How can The Order possibly overcome them and be received like the best game ever!? Oh no, but that's not gonna happen that story will not be told. I'M SORRY. EHHHH, EHHHH. WHHYYYY!? WHY!?? Don't get me wrong, I'm upset too. Oh my god that would be a great story, but we're not gonna witness it, it's not gonna happen and I want you to accept it now.

You should've accepted it before 2014 when PS4 had no games. I KNEW the Internet wasn't going to take it easy, I told you this and you motherfuckers were still on here, "no, no, no I think the Internet changed their mind." You think the internet gives a fuck what you think? You think the Internet cares? We'll be dead before the Internet, I'm having a heart attack right now. They want The Order to DIE and that's how it's gonna be. They been planning this all fucking year.

First off all you ruined everything last year. Xbox One was gonna win the race, fucking XBOX ONE, The One in All in One was going to be the first to 10 million. I would think, right? And become the leading console of the generation, the One in All in One, you ruined it, you ruined the ultimate dream of the Internet, and America.

And now you think, now you think Internet is gonna once again allow you to ruin Xbox One, ALLOW YOU to ruin everything the Internet did to get Xbox One here. I mean they ended the fucking KINECT for this they made Master Chief look like a BITCH for this. And you think you're gonna ruin it? You think they're gonna do all that and let The Order- let The Order get 90+ on metacritic, you understand whoever gets 90+ metacritic beats every other exclusive, beats the Internet bullies who crushed Peter Molyneux, Denis Dyack, beats Master Chief and becomes the next big gaming mascot. Master Chief is a bad motherfucker. You think they're going to let The Order take all that?

Come on man it ain't fucking happening, you need to accept it now and I know they got ya'll hyped up now "Oh my god it's so cinematic!" Oh my god The Order is going to release and prove everyone wrong. Who do you thinks gonna be proven wrong? Are you this fucking dumb? Do you think they're gonna fucking let The Order get good scores? NO, all of this is the Internet fucking with you that's all it is. Fucking with your emotions don't worry, don't worry PS4 will get a game one day when the time is right when the Internet is ready to give your way to let you celebrate, but not this time, not this time, not THIS time. Not this Thursday, not this Friday it ain't fucking happening.

Just accept it please, I don't wanna see ya'll on here crying on the 20th isn't that when the game releases, crying and shit "Oh why The Order is a game, OH I can't believe it, ohhhhh." Whining and shit about 30fps being I don't even get why they whine about 30fps, I like 30fps okay oh he's not the best fps well he'll get better. Okay? OKAY. We'll put him with a better technical team, there's plenty of solutions. OKAY, guy?

But I agree with you I wouldn't put 30fps in there, I'd put 60fps but eth-I don't run the place okay, I don't fucking run it. I just yell at people and shit and I'm telling you right now The Order is going to be killed by the Internet. It won't be no solid TPS. The Order fans on here talking about "It'll be a solid TPS" NOO Order fans DRUM alert THAT. It ain't gonna be nothing, it's gonna be 30fps, no innovation. Linear, no next gen gameplay, and The Order is probably returned by retailers cause no one buys it. The Order will be returned by retailers, bet on it. BET ON IT.

And you motherfuckers will be upset too, you'll be like "The Order's returned by retailers!?? NOT FAIR. I preordered it!" And you should be happy, you should be happy you got to preorder. The Last Guardian didn't get no preorder, be happy for The Order they gave The Order that preorder. Okay? They gave it that they ain't gonna give it a release too. Okay, you getting greedy now you're getting greedy. You want it all, you want it all and I'm hey, I totally understand, it's a great story I get where you're coming from, but the Internet is getting its way this year. Accept it, deal with it and quit crying about it cause it isn't is you're wasting your fucking breath because ain't shit gonna change. It's gonna be PS4 has no games and shove it down your fucking throat, they're shoving it down The last Guardian is dead Y2Kev! He's shoving it in your throat and you're gonna have to accept it. Anyway, peace.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Sounds like ME3 all over again. People can't handle getting called out for their shit and pretend that either it's all being made up or that the face of the 'criticism' is the actual constructive criticism.

Some people here are validating the very things being said.

However, nothing ever really comes out of focusing on that part of the community. Acknowledging it just adds fuel to the fire, and quite frankly those that do so often serve their own about of BS as well (ME3 'entitled', Adam Sessler/Arthur Gies twitter rants/breakdowns, Phil Fish). It's just better to not say anything at all. If you're going to focus on something, focus on the actual criticisms, but only if you have something to offer to the argument. If you're still going to be hiding behind the veil of NDAs and such, what could be brought to convince anyone.

It takes more effort to find and address the posts/tweets/submissions of critical responses, but that's the only ground that can be approached when it comes to such things.

Edit: Also, avoid goddamn analogies. No one ever seems to get those right and ends up sinking their position further.

 

[loaf of bread]

I think the length is being targeted by many as a criticism because the core of the gameplay looks not to be particularly solid. QTEs, TPS segments, and the like are fine but when they take up a majority of a short game with lots of cutscenes, the criticism might be valid.

Ryse was guilty of all the above, and might be a suitable comparison to The Order.

But people like the game. Nearly all impressions are positive and say its an enjoyable game with solid gameplay. I don't know why this is never being taken into consideration. Yeah, not everybody has nothing but glowing praise but I've yet to see an impression say they honestly did not enjoy the game.

 

[Vilix]

TBH, Bully Steak sounds delightful. Some nice potted meat... I haven't eaten all damn day.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Without having seen the video I believe that it is possible to complete the game in 5,5 hours if you play on easy and do absolutely nothing else than run through it. So never pick up a collectable, never listen to one of the audio recordings, never stop to just look at something, never stray from the path and cut out all the times you have to start over because you died.

As for me, it took me between 9 and 10 hours.

Thank you.

Ryse has a substantial MP mode, though. If The Order had a MP mode, I think the campaign length wouldn't be as much of an issue.

I don't like this argument. I'm assuming pretty much no one stuck around for Ryse's MP, same for games like TR reboot and Spec Ops.

People viewed the cutscene before it was removed and the cutscene wasn't long at all.

There are a multitude of reasons why people could have twice the playthrough time such as deaths, wandering around taking photos, or just not knowing what to do. We'll find out soon enough I guess.

Yes we will.

 

[Lord Error]

Who at RAD was threatened for the game?

Probably no one? I don't doubt some of them got made fun of though, or demeaned for their work because someone disagreed with their design decisions. He's right, regardless. The actual threats are just the most extreme manifestation of it.

 

[Megasoum]

The problem I have with the game is not the reported length... It's the fact that the gameplay looks really bland and repetitive and it's interrupted every couple of minutes by a cutscene (à la Max Payne 3).

 

[BLunted]

Your work is QTE filled, is a generic uninspired TPS that plays like Heavy Rain and should have been made by David Cage. The black bars are atrocious, the game has no minorities and the game only has 2 hours of gameplay. Its pretty much a movie so I'll just watch it on Youtube instead.

Did I miss anything?

I don't know if I agree with the bullying comment, but lets not pretend that the Order hasn't had some shitty ass threads on GAF alone with regards to the quality of "criticism" the game has received.

My comments were in response to the dev's emo whining, nothing to do with the game itself, but you are right. The game has been getting some shitty flak, but almost every game does around here. So what? They should just let it bounce off them.

 

[Synth]

I'm gonna order a steak, a bottle of wine, and play the shit out of The Order 1886 on Friday. It's gonna be amazing. I'll pay about half the price or more for the steak and wine, finish it within 30-60 minutes, then proceed to play The Order for another 6-7 hours till I finish it. The put my game back on the shelf until I play through it again.... go to the toilet later and flush away the steak and wine, only to ever eat steak and drink wine again, I have to purchase it once more. Do the math. LOL

Math:

Times I get to play with my food? 1
Times I get to eat The Order 1886? 0

Food wins.

 

[K.Sabot]

For some reason, which I have no idea what, this game has been fighting crap since it was first revealed. It's one of those games that doesn't seem to be able to catch a break. While I think coming out to defend it is going to cause more shit, it's tough to be in a place emotionally when you've invested hundreds of hours of sweat into something and then have people bash the shit out of it without even touching it.

From the impressions thread it looks to be a solid new IP with some quirks here and there. If nothing else, it's an incredibly polished game, with a hell of a graphics engine. Perhaps if there is a sequel they can build on its strengths.

Do you really believe that? I recall little to no conflict over the title until the developer started speaking about it, which then escalated when they showed gameplay. When it was revealed, GAF seemed very into the concept and setting that was in the E3 2013 trailer.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

lol I've about had it with The Order threads. I'm going to play the game soon and make up my own mind, ya'll can keep arguing.

 

[Terbinator]

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[Jarmel]

...

Amazing.

 

[Zia]

Applebee's line cook compares jalapeño poppers to $100 steak.

I do feel sorry for RAD though. Really depressing, bizzarre interview.

 

[CaLe]

I guess we're all allowed to have opinions, it's just sad when said opinions are not based on actual play time. I think we should wait for reviews before perpetuating the blind bashing of a game none of us have actually played.

 

[brandonh83]

Verendus, if you ever need a hug, I'm here bro.

 

[Alienous]

lol I've about had it with The Order threads. I'm going to play the game soon and make up my own mind, ya'll can keep arguing.

See you in a couple of hours.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Are you serious? Where did I shit on the game? I was curious why people were super hyped for that game more than the others because for me it didn't stand out as much as the others did. Meanwhile just today there was a person who called The Order "a joke" when they haven't even played it. Among countless other shitposts over the course of the past year.

Had a feeling you'd react like that. As I said, its not ob the same level as what's going on with The Order. But ultimately, you've judged the game before release. While flat out hating a game without touching it seems strange, criticism shouldn't be discouraged.

As brandonh83 said, I doubt most people have an issue with the overall length of the game. I LOOOOOVE sub 10 hour games. The issue is with gameplay vs cutscenes. Most people are probably concerned you may only spend 3 hours or so actually PLAYING the game.

Which I feel deserves criticism for a full priced AAA game.

 

[djplaeskool]

God damnit Verendus.

 

[atr0cious]

I'm actually really kind of proud of the loud "hate" this game is getting. Not the petty nitpicks, but the calls for more than just being "in line with other shooters." The push back seems to be people feeling the developers are just resting their laurels and pushing out the same old dressed up as new. I mean it happened all last generation, but now that the new boxes are supposed to be touting the best brand new experiences, more and more are losing their taste for it.

 

[Primethius]

My comments were in response to the dev's emo whining, nothing to do with the game itself, but you are right. The game has been getting some shitty flak, but almost every game does around here. So what? They should just let it bounce off them.

I'm not sure why devs are supposed to just be silent. If the internet wants to harp on a game, the dev sure has a right to defend the game.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

This game has had nothing but negative vibes at it since the beginning.

Some people haven't even given it a chance

Firstly, that's not true. A number of people have been excited about The Order since it was unveiled a couple of E3s ago. Secondly, I think it's important to consider why that may be. I mean, I know the immediate "console wars" explanation is just to assume that it's because of people that are rooting against Sony wanting to troll another Sony exclusive. And while I won't write that off completely or suggest that it doesn't factor in at all, I also don't think it's fair to say that every first party title is getting this reaction. It's at least worth considering going forward whether or not some of the criticism the game is receiving is fair and not just the result of "bullying."

 

[JNA]

I can certainly say that out of everything that has happened, it's the dev's own comments that would have made me hesitant to buy this day one, although I was never planning to anyway. The game is definitely on my watch list as something to pick up discounted, assuming it gets a lot of positive feedback after launch, however.

Yeah pretty much.

I mean look at the devs who are developing No Man's Sky for example. You don't see them constantly talking off on people because they feel "bullied" or that there are so many "haters" of their game despite the criticism being its just another Spore.

Or how about Bethesda with criticisms for some of their games? Do you seem them constantly trying to defend their game and telling off people by labeling them "haters" or "bullies"?

Seriously, just shut up, make the game, and release it. Let the game itself do the talking. Otherwise, you will only make people dislike you or not buy your game at all when you keep howling them off.

 

[mrklaw]

Face the music RAD. You tried to do something a bit different. Some people like it or want to give you the benefit of the doubt. Most however don't want your combination of lack of gameplay, short game length, and little replayability regardless of how much time you spent perfecting your graphics engine just right.

Even if that was true (which may be the case but we should really wait until more people have played it), perhaps those people that don't want it..could simply not buy it. why does it upset them so much if it isn't a game they'll like? There are tons of other games they can choose from.

I get there may be some disappointment because it's a new IP and so more attention may be on it than a generic sequel, but that still doesn't justify the reactions it has been getting.

 

[mjc]

Ryse has a substantial MP mode, though. If The Order had a MP mode, I think the campaign length wouldn't be as much of an issue.

You're right, I forgot about the MP in Ryse. I enjoyed the hell out of most of Ryse, but I recall it getting the same criticisms and attention pre-release as this game.

 

[Con_Smith]

People have been hating on this game since they dropped the whole "filmic" bs in their early marketing. Since then all you hear is bullshots, linear, qte, not groundbraking/different/random other phrase for changing the tps genre I can't think of and now you add length to give the really vocal ones who either never cared for the game or the ones who won't play it (for whatever reason) more chances to pipe up their opinion.

I want a new experience and The Order has one for me. Look at all the open world games with filler content that came out last year and look at this focused peice of entertainment. As long as the game doesn't ship broken or is broken and stays that way for months on end I have no qualms about this game.

RaD needs to get off Gaf though. People stay giving passes to devs who shit on them on them regularly, these guys barely get to breath with their new ip even with proven background working on GoW.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

To be 100% honest they are right that the game is being attacked from the very first showing in E3... 2013? or was it 2014?

I remember the thread where they first showed (unveiled) this awesome CGI with The Order guys traveling in a coach through mysty London, looking outside through the windows and then getting to a stop in some docks area. It was all very new (the designs, the atmosphere) and very much needed in the Call of Duty + Battlefield world. Majority of the people on this board were pumped and imagined some kind of adventure/ Beyond/ TLOU game.

Then they show 5-secs of gameplay which was IMMEDIATELY branded as "lol, 3rd person shooter! Victorian Gears of War"

And from that very moment the attacks on the game started. They never ended since... the last attack is on the game's length (which is the only proper attack IMO as people are afraid other 5-hour long games will follow on all platforms).

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I am really, really rubbed the wrong way by their "The internet is just mean" thing.

It feels like they're trying to stand close to actual victims so that they also get painted with the same brush and I very much do not like that.

 

[Dental Plan]

Just get thick skin. Let your game speak for itself. This is doing more damage than not saying anything at all.

Let people enjoy the game.

Either way this game will sell well because it looks pretty.

 

[Frillen]

I bet 90% of the people hating on The Order 1886 don't even have a PS4 I don't know why RAD cares about what they think, real PS fan will be more than enough to suppot them and the game

A real fan will come with constructive and legitimately concerns and criticism regarding any game made by the company of their choice. The worst possible fans are the fans that automatically take a defensive stance regarding a game, defending it like their lives depended on it, never seeing any fault with the game no matter what.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Verendus... that post reads like you're on drugs or something. I understand it's supposed to be humor, but that's pretty intense even for you.

 

[metalslimer]

They've brought a lot of criticism upon themselves.

This is completely unusual as much bigger games haven't had this kind of discussion before launching.

 

[Chû Totoro]

Sure. I don't disagree with this. But the other side of the coin that I was alluding to is that it necessarily follows that if it doesn't deserve the "hate" it gets, it probably doesn't deserve the defense that it gets, or at least the volume of that defense. I honestly think it cuts both ways.

Yeah agree clearly. I was one of the first complaining about the whole cinematic approach RAD decided to go for but I also quickly felt dumb giving so much energy to explain why I found this being a bad choice while I only had to go see somewhere else enjoying a more enjoyable discussion.

Maybe it's because I've spent too much time here but I start to take a lot more distance to things I see or talk about here.

Edit : Verendus? What wha... ? What the hell :O

 

[anexanhume]

That said, comparing people making negative remarks about a video game to bullying is asinine.

Is there a single word that encapsulates ignorant, excessive consumer activism? It's like the "customer is always right" mentality ratcheted up a few notches.

Firstly, that's not true. A number of people have been excited about The Order since it was unveiled a couple of E3s ago. Secondly, I think it's important to consider why that may be. I mean, I know the immediate "console wars" explanation is just to assume that it's because of people that are rooting against Sony wanting to troll another Sony exclusive. And while I won't write that off completely or suggest that it doesn't factor in at all, I also don't think it's fair to say that every first party title is getting this reaction. It's at least worth considering going forward whether or not some of the criticism the game is receiving is fair and not just the result of "bullying."

He said some people haven't given it a chance. Absolutely true. You can find a healthy amount of people who have been pessimistic from the beginning as soon as their aspect ratio and "filmic" intentions were communicated.

 

[LAA]

Well the example of steaks however it's at the extreme of angles. Like there's nothing between a all you can eat terrible steak and the best small steak.
There are also good games that last a good while, and sure there are excellent games that may only last a short while and I hope order 1886 is one of them (but I question why it couldn't be longer or have replayablity of some sort). If it is going to be one of the best things I've played, then I'll say it's absolutely worth the money for me sure, but not everyone will feel that way.

Sad they feel they're being bullied. Personally I think a factor is it feels not much had been shown and what has suggests it's a QTE fest, which seemingly isn't the case. If they believe so much the game, reviews and player impressions and etc. will prove it'd as good as they say

 

[Kacho]

See you in a couple of hours.

lol