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[Napalm_Frank]

Interested to see how the brick PS4 looks like.

Perhaps a silly question but people here have way more tech knowledge than me. Since it is popular nowdays to make former Wii U exclusives multiplatform let me ask you this:

If down the road there is some 3rd party exclusive for Wii U and later the publisher wants to make an multiplat upport for PS4/Nextbox how can we expect it to perform. Let's say the game is 720p 30 fps on Wii U. Is it realistic to think the upport would be 1080p and 60fps without too much trouble for devs?

If Wii U starts to show signs of life and third partys start to show new interest I could see multiplats happening. I doubt they would do downports tho.

Edit: actually might as well ask this. If there really is ''HD remasters'' for PS3/360 games how can we expect those to perform?

 

[googleplex]

lol... you're in luck...

Boss status acquired.

 

[chicko1983]

C'mon, mang. I wouldn't open up my PS3 to try to fix a problem if I didn't know what was causing the problem. If you do your research you'll find that leaded solder isn't as prone to becoming weak over time. That's why anyone who re-balls PS3s and 360s always uses leaded solder. It is true that the solder isn't the only issue. Which I said.

Hey, I opened up my PS3 twice and reflowed it and I know nothing about computers and such.

I just followed a youtube clip step by step.

I tried reading up on what was causing it, which is why I thought it was due to heat, but I stopped reading and just got stuck into fixing it.

 

[KidBeta]

Thankfully they won't use lead anymore. That stuff gets into the air and causes health problems. Brain damage anyone?

Leaded solder is still the standard for hobby electronics.

They don't seem to be dying more often then others , I believe the regulation has to do with the environmental effects not the effects on people.

 

[Piggus]

Hey, I opened up my PS3 twice and reflowed it and I know nothing about computers and such.

I just followed a youtube clip step by step.

I tried reading up on what was causing it, which is why I thought it was due to heat, but I stopped reading and just got stuck into fixing it.

For sure. The reflowing process is pretty simple which is nice. Hardest part is having to strip the PS3 all the way down.

I should have clarified that I was looking into doing a re-ball myself though, so I wanted to make sure I knew exactly what was going on. Unfortunately it turns out you need like $600+ worth of equipment for it to even work lol. Wasn't worth it unless I were to turn it into a little side business.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Believe.

 

[Dash Kappei]

Secret sauce of the champions

 

[artist]

I dont know how accurate (scale) the other two (Slim & Super Slim) models are;

 

[neptunes]

There's no way it'll be that bulky.

Maybe Sony will continue with its convex design philosophy with the PS4.

 

[i-Lo]

Pertaining to ram, here is me hoping for two stage OS consumption like vita so that developers actually can get close to 4GB for games.

Shame it can't compete with XB3's 6-7GB ram.

Spoiler

troll face

 

[enzo_gt]

There's no way it'll be that bulky.

Maybe Sony will continue with its convex design philosophy with the PS4.

I think when you look at stretched photoshops or look at a box which shows the maximum dimensions of the machine, you kinda get the impression it will be bulky. The right design can make it look significantly less bulky.

 

[pharmboy044]

Has Thuway or Gopher heard anything regarding BC?

 

[BruiserBear]

Interested to see how the brick PS4 looks like.

Perhaps a silly question but people here have way more tech knowledge than me. Since it is popular nowdays to make former Wii U exclusives multiplatform let me ask you this:

If down the road there is some 3rd party exclusive for Wii U and later the publisher wants to make an multiplat upport for PS4/Nextbox how can we expect it to perform. Let's say the game is 720p 30 fps on Wii U. Is it realistic to think the upport would be 1080p and 60fps without too much trouble for devs?

If Wii U starts to show signs of life and third partys start to show new interest I could see multiplats happening. I doubt they would do downports tho.

Edit: actually might as well ask this. If there really is ''HD remasters'' for PS3/360 games how can we expect those to perform?

Any game built for the Wii U should be easy to port and upgrade significantly, so yes, 1080p and 60fps shouldn't be a problem. I just don't see any third party Wii U exclusives coming down the road though, and I don't say that mockingly. Just being honest. So that scenario seems unlikely.

As for PS3/360 remasters. That seems unlikely as well. HD remasters worked this gen precisely because the previous gen wasn't HD, and it didn't have achievements or trophies. That won't be the case next gen.

 

[Pitmonkey]

A Durango dev kit showed up on Ebay for 20K
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221187435627#ht_500wt_1156

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

A Durango dev kit showed up on Ebay for 20K
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221187435627#ht_500wt_1156

bet he upped his own bid. no way that thing is worth that much.

I find the delivery date weird:

Wed. 20 Mar. and Thu. 4 Apr.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

Pertaining to ram, here is me hoping for two stage OS consumption like vita so that developers actually can get close to 4GB for games.

Shame it can't compete with XB3's 6-7GB ram.

Spoiler

troll face

How does it work on Vita? Its not always 256mb? When was this confirmed?

 

[Hydrargyrus]

Glad to hear that it will have that size.

 

[shnord]

Let's say the game is 720p 30 fps on Wii U. Is it realistic to think the upport would be 1080p and 60fps without too much trouble for devs?

Any game built for the Wii U should be easy to port and upgrade significantly, so yes, 1080p and 60fps shouldn't be a problem.

Assuming the alleged TFLOPS are within the right ballpark, it should be easy for Orbis, but not necessarily as easy for Durango.

Going from 720p and 30 fps to 1080p and 60 fps means 4.5x the pixels per second, and by extension requires 4.5x the pixel crunching power. If Durango's 1.23 TFLOPS are to be believed, that's a little over 5x the power of the 360 (240 GLOPS), so there should be no problems going from 360 to Durango (theoretically). However, the Wii U GPU seems to be at least 300 GFLOPS (being conservative), which means Durango has at most 4.1x the power of Wii U -- not quite enough juice to make the 720p30 to 1080p60 jump so effortless. And you can't use the secret sauce excuse here because the Wii U has it too.

Not that raw numbers tell the whole story.

The alien Wii U GPU design alone is going to make both upports and downports not so straightforward, at least in the beginning.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

I dont know how accurate (scale) the other two (Slim & Super Slim) models are;

Looks really tall in this pic. I would prefer it to be a bit wider and lower

 

[revolverjgw]

Believe.

I believe I just threw up a little in my mouth

 

[Afrikan]

A Durango dev kit showed up on Ebay for 20K
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221187435627#ht_500wt_1156

ram on this ebay dev kit is only 8gb, not 16gb.

wassup wit that?

 

[stryke]

ram on this ebay dev kit is only 8gb, not 16gb.

wassup wit that?

There's no law that says devkits must have double the ram.

 

[Afrikan]

There's no law that says devkits must have double the ram.

I hear ya...but its just that the poster also has zero pics of the product he is auctioning off....so thought it might not be legit and he is just listing specs he read online.

 

[spats]

We have some sort of measurments now? I guess I'll have to do a new one then.

 

[dwu8991]

Wii Sports

 

[michaelius]

Wasn't a lot of the blame for RROD/YLOD down to lead free copper? Shouldn't be a problem now.

Yeah it was - a lot of GPUs also died in those years.

 

[Binabik15]

I dont know how accurate (scale) the other two (Slim & Super Slim) models are;

That's freakishly cute, somehow.

Which probably isn't what Sony wants its relatively beefy console to look like at launch. Can't have that kiddy stigma.

 

[Razgreez]

I dont know how accurate (scale) the other two (Slim & Super Slim) models are;

Put PS4-dimensioned slim and super slim versions next to the OG PS3 one as well

Edit: had time to waste at work so did it myself - albeit poorly

 

[thuway]

Dear GAF,

At 2 AM tonight, I found out the source giving me information on the Orbis dimensions was feeding me false data. I would like to apologize to any one who I have misled. I put myself out there, and at this moment, feel rather pedantic and stupid. If the mods feel like I deserve to be perma-banned for spreading false information, I understand. Please accept my apology.

 

[stryke]

Dear GAF,

At 2 AM tonight, I found out the source giving me information on the Orbis dimensions was feeding me false information. I would like to apologize to any one who I have misled. I put myself out there, and at this moment, feel rather pedantic and stupid. If the mods feel like I deserve to be perma-banned for spreading false information, I understand. Please accept my apology.

Just the dimensions or everything else as well?

 

[thuway]

Just the dimensions or everything else as well?

Just the dimensions, if you go the previous pages, I mentioned the source is different for this particular piece of information. I was hesitant on posting it, but I <3 this community and wanted to keep everyone in the loop.

 

[Razgreez]

Dear GAF,

At 2 AM tonight, I found out the source giving me information on the Orbis dimensions was feeding me false information. I would like to apologize to any one who I have misled. I put myself out there, and at this moment, feel rather pedantic and stupid. If the mods feel like I deserve to be perma-banned for spreading false information, I understand. Please accept my apology.

And this after i spent 10 mins of my short life resizing those pictures. You should be drawn and quartered -

Spoiler

metaphorically speaking

 

[Corky]

Surprise.

 

[AniHawk]

Just the dimensions, if you go the previous pages, I mentioned the source is different for this particular piece of information. I was hesitant on posting it, but I <3 this community and wanted to keep everyone in the loop.

trip hawkins will pay for this

 

[Graphics Horse]

Well shiiiiit. Who's your source?

 

[alexandros]

Only one way to redeem yourself thuway, find out the specs for the Steambox and post them

 

[monome]

As far as i'm concerned, PS4 and XBOX 720 can come into huge cases if proper ventilation is applied.

Only thing I ask is no shiny black. none at all. both consoles should not be visible if floating in space. and no LEDs that shine brightly when consoles are idle/off.

 

[Shikoro]

I can't believe you people really thought that Sony would have gone with such a shape for their console. You better believe that it'll be rectangleish, have an internal power supply and be the size of somewhere between the Slim and Fat. As it should be.

 

[BruiserBear]

Dear GAF,

At 2 AM tonight, I found out the source giving me information on the Orbis dimensions was feeding me false data. I would like to apologize to any one who I have misled. I put myself out there, and at this moment, feel rather pedantic and stupid. If the mods feel like I deserve to be perma-banned for spreading false information, I understand. Please accept my apology.

One look at a mockup of those dimensions you provided made them seem a little hard to believe. Why would you only learn these specs aren't real at 2am today? Furthermore, who told you they were wrong?

 

[slider]

The dangers of being a mouthpiece. To someone of ill intent - not saying it was malicious here - it's akin to being a puppet on a string. That's why I'm such a grouch about the "my sources" thing.

That said appreciate the knowledge you have dropped thuway.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Next gen madness in full swing if a rumor about dimensions garners this many pages of posts, lol.

 

[iamshadowlark]

I mean, does sony even know final console dimensions at this point?

 

[ekim]

I mean, does sony even know final console dimensions at this point?

Good point. Did they show the final hw design on the other PS Meetings?

 

[BruiserBear]

I mean, does sony even know final console dimensions at this point?

The console is going to be revealed next week.

 

[Foshy]

We have some sort of measurments now? I guess I'll have to do a new one then.

I hope it looks somewhat like this. Love it.

 

[stryke]

Good point. Did they show the final hw design on the other PS Meetings?

They did with Vita.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I mean, does sony even know final console dimensions at this point?

No doubt. I'm sure all Sony execs have PS4's at home.

To get ~10 million consoles in the first year for most such devices you would have to be locked down for a year or more on hardware specs I would think. There must be dozens of suppliers for the PS4 and Sony couldn't just ring them up today and say...sup Samsung, could you do me 600,000 512mbit GDDR5 chips per month from next week?

Even planning a year plus in advance, they would have to source parts from multiple suppliers to get quantities for some things.

/not a expert.

 

[jett]

Dear GAF,

At 2 AM tonight, I found out the source giving me information on the Orbis dimensions was feeding me false data. I would like to apologize to any one who I have misled. I put myself out there, and at this moment, feel rather pedantic and stupid. If the mods feel like I deserve to be perma-banned for spreading false information, I understand. Please accept my apology.

Those measurements were obviously bullcrap. Just forget about it.

 

[velociraptor]

Dear GAF,

At 2 AM tonight, I found out the source giving me information on the Orbis dimensions was feeding me false data. I would like to apologize to any one who I have misled. I put myself out there, and at this moment, feel rather pedantic and stupid. If the mods feel like I deserve to be perma-banned for spreading false information, I understand. Please accept my apology.

Phew.

 

[Shahed]

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