[DF] Switch 2 Physical Media - Cart Situation Is Too Confusing & Messy

As someone who doesn't buy Nintendo products anymore, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm an outsider.

But I'm genuinely curious: What do you all expect here? Should Nintendo have used a different media format for their games that's less expensive so publishers would be more likely to put the full game on the media? If so, what media would that be? 100GB Blu-rays? And if it's not on Nintendo, then you're expecting third party publishers to just eat the cost of putting the full game on a more expensive card to satisfy the less than 20% of people who are passionate about physical media?

I'm not saying you're wrong for wanting the full playable game on the physical copy you purchase. I get that's important to you. But it seems a bit unreasonable to expect to have that for all or almost all games given the trends in technology and behavior of the vast majority of the audience. I guess I'm just wondering how self aware the people who are raging about these game key cards are?

These are salient points. Physical media was already very expensive to do on the Switch because of the proprietary cartridges. As visual fidelity increases, game sizes usually increase alongside that, which would necessitate needing to use the more expensive higher capacity carts. CDPR's community manager has said that shipping The Witcher 3 on a 32gb card already really cut into their profits. As the underlying technology behind these carts hasn't really gotten cheaper, and now Cyberpunk 2077 is shipping on a 64gb cartridge, I wonder how much more their profits will be impacted?

When these profit killing cart prices were indicated to publishers, they likely noped out of even offering a physical release. Physical is still important to many markets like Japan though and publishers do still want some shelf presence. Thus a cheaper download stub alternative, which some publishers already do on their discs on consoles, was proposed to them by Nintendo. A 50gb Blu-ray disc, in terms of raw materials, barely costs anything to manufacture so I feel the outrage is deserved there for not filling it with data. But on Switch 2, where the costs become so high that it jeopardizes even doing a physical release at all, a compromise needed to be made.

Perhaps developers could've had most of the game on the cart so that there's less for players to download and less storage space is occupied by the game. But broadband is nearly ubiquitous in the markets Nintendo operates in so what is really the point of publishers doing that? Naturally they have seized on the opportunity to cut their costs even further, even if they don't actually need to do it (we can confirm this by how small some of the game sizes on the eShop are). Nintendo put the onus on the publishers to decide and they jumped to cheapen out - who's fault is that?

One other argument often brought up is people wanting to have the game on a cartridge for preservation purposes, but this assumes that games are completely static and don't get any updates. Whether the whole game needs downloading via a game key card, or a 200mb patch to sort out some issues, the end result is the same - you don't have a 'complete' game on the cart and its rare that you ever did. Sure, some people will say "well the game is still playable unpatched", but why on Earth would you want to do that? Physical has been symbiotic with digital for a long time in gaming and maybe people are just waking up to that reality.
 
DF: Someone walking in a store… O look a new Fifa game for Switch 2, let me read the box… Ohh this is so confusing.

Reality: Someone walking in a store… O look a new Fifa, grab a copy… Done.
 
so why can CDPR do it, but other publishers can't? I realize there are extra added costs for these high speed carts, but CDPR decided it was worth it. Did Nintendo pay for the cart for them or something? I'm just trying to make sense of it, since Cyberpunk is an exception here.

That's a question CDPR can only answer... but it's $70 while the Ultimate Edition on Steam/PSN goes on sale regularly for $45. Maybe they just decided to eat it.
 
I honestly never thought it was that confusing. I guess it's cooler to do something like this rather than just making some games digital only.
 
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Seems a bit overblown to me.

If there's a "Game Key Card" warning on the box you avoid it.

If the box says it just includes a download code you throw it and all remaining copies at the store into the trash.

If none of the above you're good to go.
This made me laugh but alas this is true. I do wish they stop the game key card malarkey. I mean if there is no data in it, what's the benefit making it?
 
I see this as a cost savings approach for 3rd party publishers.

For me, unless there is some compelling reason to buy the game case (limited pack ins, reversible covers, etc) they this is simply a digital game I can resell (have not set up a second switch yet so I am not sure when happens when I pop in my already played copy of SF6).
 
It's easy. This is a license. You may need to download the game.

The purpose of physical for me is the license can't be taken away because it is physical.

Many other companies aren't allowing physical at all. Oblivion for example. This is much better than that.

You would HATE PC gaming if you dislike this.

When you download high end software it may require a dongle to license. The software is not on the dongle.
 
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grandma and grandpa wont know to avoid key passes
most other people probably wont care

but ill be looking at all the key passes in store like this
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Sure, some people will say "well the game is still playable unpatched", but why on Earth would you want to do that?
i dont give two shits about patches unless it fixes something important that's broken, like i cant get past a section due to a bug.
 
Nintendo should allow/offer 8, 16 and 32 GB carts for the NS2, specially for indie/small games.
The 64GB only option won't do, most publishers won't eat the cost.
 
Nintendo should allow/offer 8, 16 and 32 GB carts for the NS2, specially for indie/small games.
The 64GB only option won't do, most publishers won't eat the cost.
I could be wrong, but I think it's the read and write speed that makes the carts so expensive. An 8 GB cart with S2's read/write speed of ~900/500 is still more expensive that a same sized cart for S1.
 
The way it sounded in the video..

Switch 1 alternatives.
1. Box with game on Cart
2. Box with code.


Switch 2 alternatives.
1. Box with Switch 2 game on cart
2. Box with Switch 2 Key Card
3. Box with Switch 2 code
4. Box with Switch 1 game / Switch 2 game combo cart
5. Box with Switch 1 game / Switch 2 game combo card where Switch 2 is key card
6. Box with Switch 1 game / Switch 2 game combo card where Switch 2 is code
 
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I could be wrong, but I think it's the read and write speed that makes the carts so expensive. An 8 GB cart with S2's read/write speed of ~900/500 is still more expensive that a same sized cart for S1.
Yep, the S2 cart is more expensive than the S1 cart, but I don't believe that the 8GB wouldn't be cheaper than the 64GB one. I mean, probably isn't linear, like the 8GB costing 1/8 oh the 64GB one, but the 8GB cart must be cheaper than the 64GB one.
 
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