the problem is the other side of the fence, people shoot down *anyone* that dares to mention 8GB GDDR ram, without a moments pause to see whether they are using it correctly. There are plenty of times I've seen someone raise it as a valid point in a discussion, only to get shot down multiple times with throwaway comments.
DF: Xbone Specs/Tech Analysis: GPU 33% less powerful than PS4
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the problem is the other side of the fence, people shoot down *anyone* that dares to mention 8GB GDDR ram, without a moments pause to see whether they are using it correctly. There are plenty of times I've seen someone raise it as a valid point in a discussion, only to get shot down multiple times with throwaway comments.
Let's just be grateful that the people who were claiming MS would make a last minute switch to GDDR5 are no longer here.
Windom Earle
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It was pretty crazy after the reveal, but aren't most people bringing it up these days trying to poke fun at the PS4?
Don't see many OMZGDDR5 posts these days besides trolls.
Meccanical
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RIP Reiko you dense motherfucker.
its curious that even that the xbox1 reveal was after ps4,they didn't have onstage gameplay unlike sony.sony did killzone/watch dogs i expected a cod/forza demo.......
we will see on release unavoidable comparisons ofcourse.
It has definitely calmed down, but I expect there to be some level of insanity around it until these things are out in the wild.
One of the other reasons they gave is for augmented reality. Use one camera at lower res but higher framerate for the motion detecting. Use the other camera at full resolution for what gets displayed.
50% more powerful is not twice as powerful.
Gemüsepizza
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According to Adam Pollington from Xbox Australia, the Xbox One has effectively 40x the processing power of Xbox 360:
http://stevivor.com/2013/05/microsoft-xbox-australia-on-some-of-todays-lingering-xbox-one-questions/
That would be about 10 TFLOPS. So you should check your numbers, guys!
http://stevivor.com/2013/05/microsoft-xbox-australia-on-some-of-todays-lingering-xbox-one-questions/
That would be about 10 TFLOPS. So you should check your numbers, guys!
TheGreyHulk
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yes. it's a big enough difference. they will need to either lower the resolution (most likely) on the Xbone or lower the framerate...or they can just dev with the Xbone in mind and PS4 will just plow through it...
PS4 GPU = XB1 + 50% more raw power.... that's a big difference.
Eh it's close enough if you round up 1.5x to nearest whole multiplier you get 2x.
the simplest i can tell you is that ms announced the xboxone without mentioning the gpu.
and mention the specs for less than 1minute whie sony did a basic analysis on the specs
the gpu is the on that works the most to make gfx on the tv so thats important if its indeed less powerful.... for example the ps3 had a weaker gpu than in the xbox360 but had a more powerfull cpu. now the cpus are the same from the same company while the xbox1 gpu is weaker than ps4 . along with some other factors,it could lead to some "interesting" version differences.
possibly.
Also, as the generation progresses and engines get pushed to breaking point, there is more opportunity for PS4 to stay at eg 1080p/30 where Xbox One might start having a flakier framerate or drop resolution.
Angelus Errare
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Gemüsepizza;58872221 said:
Well that's 40x when using THE CLOUD!
TheGreyHulk
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Gemüsepizza;58872221 said:
lmao... they're really trying to spin this thing hard... 40x more powerful using the cloud.. LMAO. SIMCITY XBONE...
seattle6418
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Right, the Xbone came out 18 months before and had all the exclusives. Same situation.
I wouldn´t bet on them pushing parity if it means getting embarrassed next to the first party titles. Only EA would do such thing. Hard to believe they would leave resources unused.
That´s actually a good comparision, that people just refuse to see.
It´s not? It´s the first time we have a situation like this, same archtecture but different specs. It should be easy to enhance and improve things.
But GDDR ram is a proven thing, it´s something everyone knows it´s best suited for games. Cell had a lot of PR, and people overestimated because nobody knew what it was. It´s not like Sony went to Rambus and developed GDDR ram, and then touted as the next big thing. They are using top notch stuff already avaliable.
IF?
This isn´t console wars stuff, just cold hard facts that need to be discussed by devs. It´s far from anything remotely close to a subjective argument.
When Arthur C. Clarke said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic", he was obviously thinking of The Cloud.
I've lost alot of good men to the console wars, I'm trying to tread carefully.
A bit liberal with your rounding? Going in the other direction would level the playing field, so hardly an insignificant adjustment.
1.5 always rounds to 2 never 1
No shit. There's a reason I said GPU maker. Please don't tell me CPU is top priority in consoles now, especially considering the Jaguar CPUs in these boxes.
When it comes to actual measurements and percent differences, rounding with that large of an error is unacceptable and provides inaccurate results. Honestly not trying to defend the bone or anything, but this sounds like an attempt to justify the hyperbolic statement that the ps4 is twice as powerful, when that is not what is being shown.
Insane Metal
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I asked before but no one answered me 
It's knows that PS4 has a secondary processor dedicated to the OS/recording/sharing functions, but what about the XBone? Because if it doesn't, that also means at least one, but possibly two of the 8 cpu cores won't be available for games, isn't it?
It's knows that PS4 has a secondary processor dedicated to the OS/recording/sharing functions, but what about the XBone? Because if it doesn't, that also means at least one, but possibly two of the 8 cpu cores won't be available for games, isn't it?
There's really no need to defend your argument- anyone who hates logic is an idiot.
Gemüsepizza
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I have just read in this thread that devs can only access 90% of the GPU ressources on the Xbox One (=1.107 TFLOPS for games). If PS4 doesn't reserve a noticable, similar amount, the PS4 would have ~66% more GPU power instead of 50%.
http://kotaku.com/the-five-possible-states-of-xbox-one-games-are-strangel-509597078
http://kotaku.com/the-five-possible-states-of-xbox-one-games-are-strangel-509597078
Rogue_Ledr
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So does this mean Playstation will get the superior version of most multiplatform games this generation?
I have to wonder if M$ will moneyhat developers to intentionally gimp PS4 game versions just to maintain parity.
I have to wonder if M$ will moneyhat developers to intentionally gimp PS4 game versions just to maintain parity.
Angelus Errare
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Gemüsepizza;58916181 said:
Doesn't matter, they can make up the difference with the cloud anyway.
I asked before but no one answered me
It's knows that PS4 has a secondary processor dedicated to the OS/recording/sharing functions, but what about the XBone? Because if it doesn't, that also means at least one, but possibly two of the 8 cpu cores won't be available for games, isn't it?
That's just an embedded ARM processor to maintain background downloads and stuff. I doubt it's powerful enough to run the main PS4 OS and I fully expect at least one core out of the 8 reserved for that task.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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This thread is now useless. Cloud is already outputting 40x more power.
Rogue_Ledr
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That is right! Screw PS4 and screw the Xbox One too!
All we need next-gen is .............................. THE CLOUD!
The logical assumption is that yes, multiplats should either look better or run better on the PS4. They share a core arcitecture and the PS4 has more faster RAM and a larger GPU. A PS4 port running worse than a XBONE port is in my view unlikely.
As for MS paying devs not to go better on PS4, I don't see it happening. MS are backing away from Indies at the same time as Sony are throwing flowers and chocolates at them and they are the ones who could be put under pressure.
The likes of Activision and EA won't be beholden to MS like that. They weren't beholden to Sony during the Xbox/PS2 era so I don't understand why it is expected now. Devs and pubs want their game to stand out, only using 66% of the PS4 while others use 100% would be silly.
JohnnySasaki86
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No, it's 1.5x as powerful as far as raw GPU shader pwer, this may not tell the full story of the differences though. You could speculate and argue that the smaller OS footprint making more RAM available to games, and the higher bandwidth RAM, combinded with the fact it has twice the ROPs could effectivily make the system 2x as powerful in real world terms. Not to mention all the customizations Sony has done for compute. We don't know if MS has done anything similar, although they haven't really mentioned or emphasized and customizations like Sony did, so I'm thinking no.
Holy shit. Are they using the GPU for extra compute functions for the OS or something?Gemüsepizza;58916181 said:
Also, do we know if XBO has the same compute efficiency tweaks as PS4? Those are really impressive and could also have a bearing once GPU accelerated compute becomes common.
Insane Metal
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Hmmm, ok then. THanks
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Because of The similarities in architecture I very much doubt either console will have a problem performance wise in the same manner as this generation. It was never the consoles themselves that was the problem, rather the middleware favoured the strengths of the 360 over the PS3.
However like this generation im expecting exclusives on ps3 to blow away XB1 ones even more than than PS3 ones do 360.
Evolution_1ne
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wrong thread....odd
Rogue_Ledr
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I hope you are right, but somehow I have to wonder if a lot of big devs will not fully exploit and harness the PS4's power, because they are too timid to risk infuriating M$ with inferior Xbox One versions of their titles.
I'm very much looking forward to hearing everything Sony and Microsoft have not told us yet. They are obviously saving the best for E3.
Even though it may seem that MS dropped the ball on nextgen, one thing worries me. MS is normally very strategic and clever bunch that knows how to promote their products. This time Sony is a much bigger threat than ever before (Very easy to code for and 50-66% more powerful than Xbox One), and MS did not seem to care about challenging Sony on any front. They just focused on TV and multimedia features instead...and some games. What are they not telling us???
I simply can't believe that MS is this stupid, and simply handing next gen over to Sony. MS is hiding something, i'm sure of it... but what? (Then again, they did fumble windows 8)
Sony also seems to keeping secrets. Why did they not show the box? What would we have noticed that they want to keep secret until E3?
Riddles in the dark...
Even though it may seem that MS dropped the ball on nextgen, one thing worries me. MS is normally very strategic and clever bunch that knows how to promote their products. This time Sony is a much bigger threat than ever before (Very easy to code for and 50-66% more powerful than Xbox One), and MS did not seem to care about challenging Sony on any front. They just focused on TV and multimedia features instead...and some games. What are they not telling us???
I simply can't believe that MS is this stupid, and simply handing next gen over to Sony. MS is hiding something, i'm sure of it... but what? (Then again, they did fumble windows 8)
Sony also seems to keeping secrets. Why did they not show the box? What would we have noticed that they want to keep secret until E3?
Riddles in the dark...
digoutyoursoul
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Not telling you :
You have to pay fee to play a game that has already been played on another persons Xbox Live Account. Not only affects retail but rental services.
Won't work without a Internet connection. When Aaron Greenberg was asked on GamerTag Radio about this, especially those who cannot connect to the Internet such as military guys on ships etc "Better off with a 360"
I think this is going to shake out only after 6 to 12 months of sales. If XBone is running away with marketshare and software sales, the PS4 version will get little love (low impact enhancements that take up little time to implement).
If the platforms are very close or if PS4 is ahead, then I suspect there will be more incentive for publishers to make their PS4 titles stand out and the difference between the same 3rd party titles between platforms will get larger.
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