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Did MS not learn *anything* from XBMC?

wow, pointless then

So other then MP3 use, why the hell bother?
 
why is it that I can't take a word you say and belive it?
 
DopeyFish said:
Because since your knee-deep in bullshit, you won't believe anything unless it's bullshit.
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I was waiting for a reply like this :lol

Btw, how is that FFXI for X360 working without the HDD?
 
ffdshow. allows divx/xvid/lots others to be played under media center
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Thats fine for people that want to deal with setting ffdshow up, but ffdshow is known to cause issues with WMP10 (crashing), amongst other things. I recently had to uninstall ffdhsow to allow me to fix a file in VirtualDub.

The beauty of XBMC is that it works without any wrappers on the server side.

Even if ffdshow didn't cause any issues and works perfectly with Media Center PCs and X360 the point is that Microsoft shouldn't be limiting it to WMV in the first place.

It's the principle of the thing IMO, and at the moment everything points to MS royally fucking up the 360 in every way, through rank stupidity.
 
Well, if you didn't install ffdshow (or some kind of third party codec) then you wouldn't be playing divx, xvid, mpeg4 stuff in MCE anyway. How do you propose they support stuff like that out of the box with Xbox 360 taking into account that MCE wouldn't play it in a default install?


All of this of course is assuming the above article is true, I thought it'd stream anything MCE could play, i.e. if the codecs were installed on MCE you could stream it via Xbox 360.
 
gollumsluvslave said:
Thats fine for people that want to deal with setting ffdshow up, but ffdshow is known to cause issues with WMP10 (crashing), amongst other things. I recently had to uninstall ffdhsow to allow me to fix a file in VirtualDub.
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Good for you. Maybe you should buy a Windows for Dummies book or something?

The beauty of XBMC is that it works without any wrappers on the server side.
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Hey! That's because it's illegal software! Go figure!

Even if ffdshow didn't cause any issues and works perfectly with Media Center PCs and X360 the point is that Microsoft shouldn't be limiting it to WMV in the first place.
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They aren't limiting to FMV. You have your standard AVI and mpeg codecs, but you didn't realise that either, now did you?

It's the principle of the thing IMO, and at the moment everything points to MS royally fucking up the 360 in every way, through rank stupidity.
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Everything points to microsoft doing everything right, and that the IQ points of the average gamers sits near high 20s.

Dazzla said:
Well, if you didn't install ffdshow (or some kind of third party codec) then you wouldn't be playing divx, xvid, mpeg4 stuff in MCE anyway. How do you propose they support stuff like that out of the box with Xbox 360 taking into account that MCE wouldn't play it in a default install?


All of this of course is assuming the above article is true, I thought it'd stream anything MCE could play, i.e. if the codecs were installed on MCE you could stream it via Xbox 360.
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Last time i checked, DivX, or Xvid codecs did not come with windows. So you really have no point here. You still have to install a codec to run the videos either way. In this case it happens to be specific
 
That was the point I was making, he was bitching that XBMC just *plays* all that content straight out of the box, Windows doesn't come with any of those codecs so why bitch at Xbox 360 for not playing it when it's got nothing to do with it.

After reading up on MCE extenders as well, there's this:

My Videos

You can select videos that are stored on your Media Center PC to be played back on the Extender platform. The Media Center Extender supports the following video file formats:

• Microsoft Windows Media Video 9 main profile
• WMA standard audio
• Max resolution of 720 x 480
• Max bit rates of 4Mbps
• WMV may be Windows Media DRM-protected
• MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 standard definition
• MPEG-1 layers 1 and II audio
• Standard Definition DVR_MS (Recorded TV) at all quality settings (Fair through Best)

Unfortunately, Media Center Extender devices are not able to decode DivX or XviD encoded videos. You will need to transcode these videos into the WMV format if you want to play these videos back – this is a definitely drawback to all of you with large DivX collections. If you are one of these individuals then you are better of with other types of media playback devices or even hooking the Media Center PC directly to a TV set.
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http://www.whiningdog.net/Reviews/PCs/Accessories/MCE/MCXforxbox/page5.php
 
What a pointless thread. If I wanted to watch Dopeyfish make some asshole look stupid I'd... well... I'd read this thread.
 
At what point as he made anyone look stupid? Everyone knows MCE can play all sorts of content via ffdshow, but up until today Media Center Extenders have only been able to play WMV content.

video playback is restricted to certain types of video formats. Since video decoding takes place on the client systems (on the Extender devices), you can only play back a restricted set of file formats. Yes that means no DivX or XviD support!
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Can't see where he's made anyone look like an asshole personally.
 
Everything points to microsoft doing everything right
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Jesus, I used to consider myself as somewhat of an Xbot, but some folks just cling to it.

Maybe you should buy a Windows for Dummies book or something?
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:lol :lol

Yes it's not the most complicated thing to resolve and dealing with various codecs and so forth is a breeze to some people.

My point is that MS wants to increase the X360 userbase over what Xbox had. Whether XBMC is illegal or not no one that has it now is going to "upgrade" to MCE / 360 when you still have to mess around with the MCE, removing and installing codes etc.

Of course one could argue that anyone willing to shell out for an MCE isn't going to bother about having to add extra software. Of course when the install ffdhsow they better not install the ffdshow WMV codes or they'll break MCE :lol But then I guess most Dummies will know that in advance eh?

They aren't limiting to FMV. You have your standard AVI and mpeg codecs, but you didn't realise that either, now did you?
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I guess the article could be wrong or my interpretation is; if X360 can stream video from MCE based on what MCE already has installed (codec-wise i.e. DivX or Xvid is installed) then that negates what I said above (I still think that requiring MCE is stupididty but that's another argument). However my interpretation of the artice was more along the lines that what you would see in the X360 video selection would only be WMV files - a la *.wmv.

Of course I wouldn't put it past MS to do this on the 360 side, and it was my first thought when I read the article.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.
 
Well, if it's a true Media Center Extender, like all other extenders that've been released (like the Xbox one, etc) then it doesn't matter at all what codecs the MC PC has installed, the extender will only play pre defined video formats. This is straight from the MS FAQ:

Q. What audio and video file formats are supported by Media Center Extender devices?

A.
Media Center Extender devices support a number of audio and video file formats for play back through TV displays and home entertainment systems.

Audio file formats supported:
• Windows Media Audio Standard 7 through 9
• WMA standard audio may be Windows Media DRM-protected
• Windows Media Audio Pro and WMA Lossless
• MP3
• Playback of other audio formats may be enabled by installing a compatible DirectShow decoder on the Media Center PC

Video file formats supported:
• Windows Media Video 9 main profile
• WMA Standard audio
• Max resolution 720x480
• Max bit-rate 4Mbps
• WMV content may be Windows Media DRM-protected
• MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 standard definition
• MPEG-1 layers I and II audio
• Standard Definition DVR_MS (Recorded TV) at all quality settings (Fair through Best)
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Lacks the "...may be enabled by installing a compatible DirectShow decoder on the Media Center PC..." for Video, Extenders are pretty limited in terms of video.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/evaluation/devices/faq.mspx

Playing Videos
MCX units actually decodes video locally, and as such is limited to the formats that it recognizes. MPEG-1, MPEG-2, and WMV video are supported. However, don't plan on watching your Divx or Xvid video files on the MCX unless you transcode the file first to the aforementioned file formats.
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can MCE take advantage of the network or internet and create some kind of virtua disks that are on some other computers(XP etc.) and then Xbox 360 be able to see them?
 
So not only do you have to have a Media Center PC to stream video, even if you do you can only stream Windows Media?

What a fucking joke.


Imbeciles
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i think you're the imbécile here.

- It's nothing new
- MS cant licence all video codecs found in XBMC
- Your PC cant encode video in real time in good quality
 
If you are one of these individuals then you are better of with other types of media playback devices or even hooking the Media Center PC directly to a TV set.
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The FFDShow is cool, but the above is what I'm doing right now via DVI, and I think I'll keep doing it as it lets you see anything from a computer on a TV with no hassle (well, in my case at least, where computer desk sits near the TV). Games, emulators, demos, videos, music, etc.
 
Are there any good WMV9 converter programs out? I googled but everything i found didnt work at all.
 
Yusaku said:
I just picture the guy in his avatar spouting this desperate fanboy bullshit, and it's hard not to get violent.
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His avatar looks like Chris Draper.

DraperWP2.jpg
 
XBMC is on my shitlist right now. Having a bitch of a time getting any audio files playing on it. All of my shit is encoded to .m4a which takes FOREVER to load a single directory/album in the XBMC build I have. So then I tried sharing through iTunes and XNS and iTunes shows me the songs but crashes when I try to play one. XNS doesn't show me a single share. arrggh..... I just need to get an HTPC case and wireless mouse/keyboard for my PC and be done with it.....

though still better than the shit MS offers.
 
i think you're the imbécile here.
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Fair enough :)

- It's nothing new
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Which is exactly my point - most people I know that own an Xbox mainly bought it modded for XBMC. X360's built in Media Extender isn't offering anyone anything over any existing xtender devices.

MS cant licence all video codecs found in XBMC
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Why? Because it's going to cost them money? They are already asking the consumer to foot the bill by *requiring* MCE.

My main gripe is MS aren't brining anything new to the table here. To anyone with XBMC X360's media capabilities are meager.
 
Well it looks like my long awaited question has been finally answered. Thank you MS for all the dissappointments, doing a bang up job on all the promises and half assing them. "You can stream media from your PC to your 360!!" *oh yea, we forgot to mention it's only limited media files mostly WMV files and you need a Media Center PC. I was really hoping on this one because I wanted an all in one solution for a media center and I just was not betting on the PS3 being able to offer what I THOUGHT MS was going to. I wonder what kind of media center PC I could build for 400 bucks to hook up to my TV?
 
most people I know that own an Xbox mainly bought it modded for XBMC
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! While I have no reason to doubt you, you have to know that modded Xbox systems with XBMC make up the tiniest fucking fraction imaginable.
 
Well this isn't suprising, nor disappointing. Not alot of people have the ability to stream stuff anyway, and the ones that do i'm sure all don't have Media Center PCs...so really it's kinda like 1080P support in PS3...for the ones who have it, they can use it.

DCX
 
Question for those who might know:

Is the streaming media done via UPNP? If so, will the 360 stream video from any UPNP source, or does it check to see if it's specifically MCE? I have a non-MCE Windows box set up as a UPNP media server, so if that'd work... great.
 
impirius said:
Question for those who might know:

Is the streaming media done via UPNP? If so, will the 360 stream video from any UPNP source, or does it check to see if it's specifically MCE? I have a non-MCE Windows box set up as a UPNP media server, so if that'd work... great.
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AFAIK only a Media Center PC will let you stream videos to the Xbox 360. You can stream images and music using XP though.

I wonder if MS will change their video streaming stance with Vista. Not that it matters much because the damn OS is still more than a year away at best.
 
XviD is free, so Microsoft wouldn't have to pay to include it in Vista (or the new MCE update) and 360.

Extenders do all the video decoding on the client, so ffdshow isn't going to take 360 beyond its WMV limitations. The only way that we'll see non-DRM video codecs on 360, outside of a good hack which might take our systems off of Live, is if Microsoft relents and puts out an official update to support them.

Ultimately, the high-def replacement for XBMC is products like this, a 'DVD Player' with diverse codec support and ethernet. The LinkPlayer2 is still a little rough around the edges but there will be be refinements and alternatives in a matter of months. By Summer 2006 you'll be able to buy a $200 networked 'DVD player' that can play flawless MPEG2/XviD/DivX at up to 1080i and probably 1080p, and it'll be able to do it from DVD-R or over your LAN. I'm in the process of dropping wi-fi for wired ethernet for this very purpose. Save your MCE/Vista money and buy one of these 'DVD players' instead. I don't plan on using 360's media player for much more than listening to stoner music with Jeff Minter visualizations.
 
i like how you called me wrong, but the thread really was over at my post. Afterwards, it's just been inane bs
 
How was it over at your post? Seeing as the post was about ffdshow and that has absolutely nothing to do with MCX's.
 
Dazzla said:
How was it over at your post? Seeing as the post was about ffdshow and that has absolutely nothing to do with MCX's.
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The primary post wasn't either, your point? MCE PCs start up a video stream and it streams the video over the network to the media center extenders. The extenders aren't the ones decoding the video files :P
 
What? Have you not learnt anything from this thread?

Every single Media Center Extender released decodes the video locally, i.e. on the actual extender, that's why it doesn't do xvid/divx/etc regardless of what MCE2005 can play.
 
whoops said:
i was corrected later that mmorpgs can require the hard drive. i didn't post it because personally i couldn't careless what you guys think. You guys just twist everything that is said anyways.
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:lol guffaw
 
DopeyFish said:
i like how you called me wrong, but the thread really was over at my post. Afterwards, it's just been inane bs
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MMO's don't require a HDD? :lol

That's all the answer you deserve when you call other's bullshit. At this point there is no way to tell if you are talking from your ass or not on any topic.

Ass talker!
 
Dazzla said:
What? Have you not learnt anything from this thread?

Every single Media Center Extender released decodes the video locally, i.e. on the actual extender, that's why it doesn't do xvid/divx/etc regardless of what MCE2005 can play.
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it decodes the video stream locally but it doesn't decode the FILES locally. That's done on the PC. That's why you can use FFdshow for xvid/divx.
 
krypt0nian said:
MMO's don't require a HDD? :lol

That's all the answer you deserve when you call other's bullshit. At this point there is no way to tell if you are talking from your ass or not on any topic.

Ass talker!
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read my post again you poor illiterate human being
 
:lol

this is as dumb as Sony requiring you to encode your music in ATRAC to play it on their portable mp3 players. It's like MS purposely put their head in the sand for everything regarding xbox360.
 
krypt0nian said:
MMO's don't require a HDD? You have nothing to say, delusional.

Why the hell would anyone read you posts?
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I dunno, that's up for the readers to decide.

DopeyFish said:
i was corrected later that mmorpgs can require the hard drive. i didn't post it because personally i couldn't careless what you guys think. You guys just twist everything that is said anyways.
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Not sure you're getting it yet!

DopeyFish said:
mmorpgs can require the hard drive.
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Once more for good measure!

DopeyFish said:
mmorpgs can require the hard drive.
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Now please sir, lay off the crack pipe
 
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