DIDO Wireless Technology (this is the future)

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So some of you might have already seen the brief glimpse into the future in this previous thread. Discussion was brief and lacking information, so the potential impact of this technology was essentially lost.

Time has gone by and Steve Perlman (a name we will all soon know) has released the white paper for his company Rearden’s new DIDO technology. So far, it’ll looking like it will do everything it says it will do.

Distributed-Input-Distributed-Output (DIDO) Wireless Technology - A New Approach to Multiuser Wireless

This is another excellent article about this momentous technology.

Steve Perlman's Wireless Fix

This is the backbone on which cloud computing will be built on. Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft etc etc are piecing together the building blocks for a true cloud future. However without this technology, they will effectively be tethered to slow, unreliable connections, crippling their true potential.

This is the future right here. This is going to define our generation.
 
Casp0r said:
So some of you might have already seen the brief glimpse into the future in this previous thread. Discussion was brief and lacking information, so the potential impact of this technology was essentially lost.

Time has gone by and Steve Perlman (a name we will all soon know) has released the white paper for his company Rearden’s new DIDO technology. So far, it’ll looking like it will do everything it says it will do.

Distributed-Input-Distributed-Output (DIDO) Wireless Technology - A New Approach to Multiuser Wireless

This is another excellent article about this momentous technology.

Steve Perlman's Wireless Fix

This is the backbone on which cloud computing will be built on. Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft etc etc are piecing together the building blocks for a true cloud future. However without this technology, they will effectively be tethered to slow, unreliable connections, crippling their true potential.

This is the future right here. This is going to define our generation.
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where can i buy stock in this? its obviously at the ground floor. i want to get in now and make millions like google!
 
Gattsu25 said:
Are you wording this like a PR piece on purpose?
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I'm just really excited about the potential for this technology, wireless reliability/speed has plagued innovation in technology for years ... this will potentially wipe out all their barriers.

With this technology, your phone could effectively be just a touch screen and antenna. Everything from phone calls, to emails, to internet browsing, to gaming, to your music collection will all be stored in the cloud and streamed to your phone when requested. Your phone will have effectively the same power as the top of the line PC's while fitting in your pocket and having a battery that lasts for weeks.

How could you not be excited?
 
I believe the OP because wireless is faster and more reliable than the existing backbone connections we're chained to, and because he talked about the cloud and I heard that was a thing. Truly, we are at the cusp of true data liberation with the advent of DIDO.
 
Mudkips said:
I believe the OP because wireless is faster and more reliable than the existing backbone connections we're chained to, and because he talked about the cloud and I heard that was a thing. Truly, we are at the cusp of true data liberation with the advent of DIDO.
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This post is so entertaining I don't know where to start.
 
Thanks for posting, Casp0r. I bumped the old thread with this news earlier today but it didn't go anywhere.

A quick intro for those not familiar with Steve Perlman - he's the guy who helped developed Quicktime, founded WebTV, developed MOVA (next-gen motion capture tech used for Benjamin Button, the latest Harry Potter, this Arkham City trailer, etc.), and in the gaming scene, OnLive. Also gave the original creator of Android ten grand cash in an envelope when he heard that the project was running out of money.



Can anyone whose expertise is wireless networking tech read the white paper and give us your take? I'm interested to hear the opinion of someone whose background is in this field.


One thing I'm puzzled by from the white paper (also noted by DBebm5 above):
While we’ve focused on how the downstream (from the Internet to the user) process works with DIDO, DIDO is just as efficient in the upstream (from the User to the Internet). All users transmit simultaneously, and all get the full upstream data capacity of the channel. It’s more complex to visualize or explain, but essentially the inverse process occurs. Two-way wireless systems are typically TDD (shared up/down channel) or FDD (separate up/down channels), and DIDO works fine in either mode.
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But if DIDO requires its own data centers to do the supposedly intensive calculating to create the downstream waveform, how feasible is it for, say, a smartphone to be able to handle creating its own DIDO upstream wave? Does DIDO's requirement of data centers mean that we won't see a DIDO-linked smartphone/headset combo a la what we have with Bluetooth today? They basically gloss over how the upstream is created.
 
Ready Up Already said:
Thanks for posting, Casp0r. I bumped the old thread with this news earlier today but it didn't go anywhere.

A quick intro for those not familiar with Steve Perlman - he's the guy who helped developed Quicktime, founded WebTV, developed MOVA (next-gen motion capture tech used for Benjamin Button, the latest Harry Potter, this Arkham City trailer, etc.), and in the gaming scene, OnLive. Also gave the original creator of Android ten grand cash in an envelope when he heard that the project was running out of money.



Can anyone whose expertise is wireless networking tech read the white paper and give us your take? I'm interested to hear the opinion of someone whose background is in this field.


One thing I'm puzzled by from the white paper (also noted by DBebm5 above):

But if DIDO requires its own data centers to do the supposedly intensive calculating to create the downstream waveform, how feasible is it for, say, a smartphone to be able to handle creating its own DIDO upstream wave? Does DIDO's requirement of data centers mean that we won't see a DIDO-linked smartphone/headset combo a la what we have with Bluetooth today? They basically gloss over how the upstream is created.
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I think the calculations for modulation are done at the data center, and then the modulation instructions are send downstream, and then it's just a matter of modulation the signal. A cloud based encryption....of sorts.

Which brings me back to security....they mention nothing about it. -_-
 
Copernicus said:
I think the calculations for modulation are done at the data center, and then the modulation instructions are send downstream, and then it's just a matter of modulation the signal. A cloud based encryption....of sorts.

Which brings me back to security....they mention nothing about it. -_-
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Encrypted data is still just data. It doesn't really effect how the data is transferred. SSL and stuff would still work the same
 
He wants to build Mova facial-capture technology right into TVs and computer monitors, so people’s heads could replace those of characters in video games. “You can become Batman, and the other players in the game will see your expressions,” Perlman says. He’s also exploring virtual retinal technology. “It’s a new form of optics that allows you to see the world in 3D. It’s not just an image coming out of the TV screen. It’s viewing your entire surroundings in 3D and having them be totally virtual.” Perhaps wireless technology could be used to create standing fields, he says, so people could one day reach out and touch the virtual 3D objects. His description sounds a lot like a Holodeck, a room depicted in Star Trek where anything can appear as real. “We’re looking at creating entire virtual worlds,” Perlman says. “Eventually, we will get to the Holodeck. That’s where all these roads lead.”
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please hurry
 
mike23 said:
Encrypted data is still just data. It doesn't really effect how the data is transferred. SSL and stuff would still work the same
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Obviously.

However for stuff that isn't encrypted, the way it sounds like it's transmitted....it'd be there for everyone to look into.

With current setups you have to actively listen in on a specific connection to see what's being transferred. (for the most part)

The default behavior of this is sounds more like a TV signal.

If anything it will just mean everything will be have to be encrypted.
 
The technology has gotten good enough that Hollywood actors have started asking Mova to capture their faces while they’re young. The hope is that their youthful, virtual visages can keep earning for them in the decades to come. He won’t name names.
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shits aboot to get strange
 
Gilby said:
So how long until this becomes commonplace?
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More likely, less capable but more mature technologies (potentially those patented by the IBMs and Motorolas of the world) will take root before some miracle ever will.
 
Since electromagnetic noise does not affect the DIDO transmitters, they can be placed anywhere. They’re small, too, which could mean no more not-in-my-backyard fights over the placement of unsightly cell towers. The multi-city tests conducted by Forenza also showed that DIDO transmitters could be tuned to bounce signals off the ionosphere, a layer of the atmosphere about 150 miles up. Using this technique, the technology could serve rural areas and even airplanes. “We can provide DIDO service down to the floor of the Grand Canyon,” Perlman says, adding that he could cover huge swaths of rural America with high-speed wireless using just dozens of DIDO access points.
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The greatest obstacle for Perlman, as Doherty sees it, may be the telecommunications industry, which has invested billions setting up conventional cellular networks. “The current use of radio is bound more by inertia and successful lobbying efforts than by efficient use of spectrum,” Doherty says. “But Steve has shown the old models are limited, and there is something else we can do. People will demand this.”

Now that he has proved the technology works, Perlman has started to receive investor interest in DIDO. He declines to reveal the names of any specific organizations, but says that European groups have requested the most information. “Frankly, we’re getting more interest from foreign governments than the U.S.,” he says. “It is very likely the first widespread use will not be here.”
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good article
 
Casp0r said:
I'm just really excited about the potential for this technology, wireless reliability/speed has plagued innovation in technology for years ... this will potentially wipe out all their barriers.

With this technology, your phone could effectively be just a touch screen and antenna. Everything from phone calls, to emails, to internet browsing, to gaming, to your music collection will all be stored in the cloud and streamed to your phone when requested. Your phone will have effectively the same power as the top of the line PC's while fitting in your pocket and having a battery that lasts for weeks.

How could you not be excited?
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Ahh, so it was facetious. Hard to tell sometimes.
 
Utako said:
More likely, less capable but more mature technologies (potentially those patented by the IBMs and Motorolas of the world) will take root before some miracle ever will.
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That's a possibility, sure, but Rearden seems to have their shit together in terms of funding and attracting capital. OnLive itself has some backers with deep pockets behind it, and if all the claims are true, DIDO has potential far beyond what they could hope to achieve with OnLive.
 
As someone who derives their income from RF in various parts of the spectrum, I can safely say that that giving monopolistic control of the spectrum to a single company's technology is highly unlikely. Not to mention you are essentially doubling the bandwidth requirement on a good portion of the tubes by adding a trip to modulation centers.
 
Gallbaro said:
As someone who derives their income from RF in various parts of the spectrum, I can safely say that that giving monopolistic control of the spectrum to a single company's technology is highly unlikely. Not to mention you are essentially doubling the bandwidth requirement on a good portion of the tubes by adding a trip to modulation centers.
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I don't think the plans are to have Readen provide those services, but instead license out the technology to other companies(most likely ISPs).
 
Copernicus said:
I don't think the plans are to have Readen provide those services, but instead license out the technology to other companies(most likely ISPs).
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You are right, I am tired.


Anyway, so this is then only applicable in ISP monopolized areas. And the FCC would then have to slice off a piece of spectrum exclusively for this product to prevent intermod... unlikely...
 
I'm a believer! My body! It's ready!

Seriously though, this should be quite good.

If I'm to understand it correctly, basically the broadcaster broadcasts an mixed signal that when interpreted at each recievers spot, will recieve the information that they want.

Which is some mind bending trippy shit.

How's it physically possible? I dunno. If I did, I'd be one of the people that helped to build/invent this thing, and I'd be fuckin' aye rich as hell.
 
The man is clever. We're taught a paradigm whereby you almost inevitably *imagine* communication channels (as per Shannon) as imaginary wires, not as waves which go everywhere in a 3D volume. He's smart enough to see past the paradigm biases we inherit.

It's a very elegant solution that's frankly bloody brilliant.


The only downsides is the further centralization of our technology, as 2th said. In this case, it's a less robust technology as you open yourself up to more potential avenues for problems to emerge, namely needing backbone integrity in addition to power, but the benefits are huge.

Gallbaro said:
Not to mention you are essentially doubling the bandwidth requirement on a good portion of the tubes by adding a trip to modulation centers.
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Good point, but I don't think this is a deal-breaker. I don't have the updated chart handy, but backbone bandwidth is growing exponentially and is easier/cheaper to upgrade than the towers:
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Copernicus said:
Obviously.

However for stuff that isn't encrypted, the way it sounds like it's transmitted....it'd be there for everyone to look into.

With current setups you have to actively listen in on a specific connection to see what's being transferred. (for the most part)

The default behavior of this is sounds more like a TV signal.

If anything it will just mean everything will be have to be encrypted.
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Your data will be split up between each access point near you. Unless somebody knows exactly how far away you are from each of these access points they will not be able to get your signal (basically, unless they stand right next to you the waveforms are almost useless).
 
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