Digital Foundry: Microsoft to unlock more GPU power for Xbox One developers
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Xbox 360 GPU 240 GFLOPS for games ,Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games
Xbox One = 939 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox 360
Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games , PS4 GPU 1843 GFLOPS for games
PS4 = 664 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox One for games.
Damn, really? These numbers are accurate?
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That is just it. How much longer is MS going to ignore the cheaper price point of the PS4 and watch all that dollar bills shoved into Sony's pockets.
The higher price point is hurting them and they are trying to justify it by engaging in spec wars and this notion that games will be equal on both systems when they have stated a few months ago at the reveal that they did not go for a high end system when designing Xbox One.
A Kinectless system will pop up sooner rather than later. I can almost smell it happening.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Relax, man. He said arguable, I.E. his opinion. No need to berate him with yours. Everyone is free to have their own tastes. However, i wish people would stop commenting about "shrinking gap" and such. If they read the damn article, they'd realize they're entirely inaccurate, and just spreading FUD.
GameAddict411
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it's actually PS4 > XB1 +3xWiiUs(at least in-term of GPU power).
26.2 GFLOPS for real time skeletal tracking at a decent rate?
I wonder if they can't simply disable the snap feature when you are gaming and have all available resources for gaming exclusively. Enable it when you are using system apps that are not as demanding such as Skype.
Bolded part is all I needed to know, seems like 16 ROPS are good for X1 setup, that's not the same for PS4 which has more bandwidth at a constant rate.
shinra-bansho
Member
Wait, so are they essentially saying that they don't have enough bandwidth to feed their 16 ROPs anyway...?
Shyamalan twist?
This is MS PR. Do you think they actually spent time thinking about intentions or just saying everything and seeing what sticks?
Damn...that's just...damn.
It's like I said on page 1. MS need to stop talking numbers. It isn't helping them at all.
If anything, from a marketing perspective, they need to stick with "numbers don't matter, games matter and features matter". But they keep going down this specs rabbit hole, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why. Just FUD, I guess.
Zatoichi's Cane
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Yea 2% lol for a box that has to be able to use skype along with a movie and god knows whatever the fuck else this thing has to be able to pull off.
They could drop snap during games and remove the GPGPU reserve for kinect skeleton tracking then a developer could opt into it.
But then that would destroy the initial reveal as well as make a lot less developers use kinect.
Microsoft fucked up this gen with TV TV TV SPORTS KINECT TV!!!
GPU reservations, esram needed thanks to 8gb ram needed, the whole thing is entertainment and gaming instead of gaming and entertainment.
General consensus is that Xbox One is weaker than PS4. Its all over the web. My friends who don't follow gaming news as closely as i do all know about it. I never told them. So the word is spreading and MS is trying to stop that leak.
I have said it before and i will say it again, they need to start pimping Kinect, heavily. Its how they are going to get some traction against PS4. Going toe-to-toe with PS4 is going to hurt them because in the end the games will show it and you can't argue with that when you have a title fired up on the machine in your own room.
vpance
Gold Member
How would you play Madden at the same time you update your fantasy footfall team while Skyping your grandma? Laugh if you want but that is the core draw of the system so far.
Micromegas
Member
Why with the power of the cloud of course.
Nightengale
Member
Phil Spencer, too.
That is one guy we can effectively label as shamelessly, unapologetically biased. =)
Guy also doesn't post on GAF. Doesn't count.
Remember the complaints that the XB1's design philosophy harmed it as a gaming machine because it dedicated some resources to its multi-tasking and Kinect functionality? I do. A stated goal of minimizing the effect of this over time is good news, to those of us interested in a gaming device.
No, it isnt.
While a game is running? Sure, why not. Even my PC (truly a Moloch of inefficiency and background loads if you listen to many console aficionados) uses less than 1% of its GPU resources on anything other than a game when that game is running in fullscreen.
Yes their message for next gen has cost them. I am all for competition and i love MS just as much as the next guy because they provide good games. Not too fussed with their other services, i just care about the games, but my goodness they are in need of a refresh.
If its going to cost them another 180 to drop Kinect and atleast initially match PS4 at price level then im all for it. It would mean losing their main trump card in Kinect but atleast they will be able to shift more units.
It seems they started this gen the way they ended last gen, with Kinect. This gen should have been a repeat of last gen. Release cheap system to establish your userbase then down the line release peripherals that will extend the life of the console while also bringing something different to gaming.
I'm sure devs would appreciate time needed to develop for Kinect because right now it seems no one is ready with that AAA Kinect killer app.
phosphor112
Banned
Read for yourself:
Though, he did talk about the fillrate and 1080p zbuffers basically taking up all of the bandwidth, so there is no need for anything higher, but he doesn't mention that buffers can go much much higher with deferred rendering. Example is Killzone Shadowfall has a buffer of 52 or 58mb? (I don't recall which one). Which is much higher than the 32mb's that the X1 has.
Dictator93
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Your computer obviously has 16 titans in it with 100 GB of GDDR7
Sword Of Doom
Member
They're planning on reducing the 10% reserved but it's not guaranteed that they will. Especially if all the apps become lucrative for them they will not gimp those capabilities. From the beginning games were not the priority for this console.
Muppet of a Man
Member
This being the case truly points to Kinect GPGPU usage being the culprit here. I'm sure running 2d snap apps in a sidebar can't be utilizing that much of the GPU.
I H8 Memes
Member
Yeah, they are going to drop Kinnect by next year. I feel bad for the people they are suckering into paying $500 for a launch system just to subsidize this useless hardware that they are eventually going to drop support for.
In any event all of the changes and backtracking, while they should be appreciated by us, clearly point to MS internal sales numbers looking bad. They are making changes because they see they have to.
In any event all of the changes and backtracking, while they should be appreciated by us, clearly point to MS internal sales numbers looking bad. They are making changes because they see they have to.
Nightengale
Member
What the heck is Penello doing? His UI demo-tour thing he promised is has been overdue for like a month already.
They have no games of which Kinect can be used as a showcase platform for launch. That means all they have left are the UI features like waggle and voice, but without actually showing a real-life usage/tour of said features in its final form, it's practically hot air.
And I'm still wondering when the heck is MS going to announce an app store or open up XB1 to 3rd-party non-gaming devs.
indeed... now it is confirmed that 10% of GPU is reserved for OS.
So this article is smoke and mirrors. Why bother if thats the case. Let me read again. Maybe I missed something
10 is a two-digit number, so that's what they're going with. They could unlock 0.01% but by only referring to it by the size of the reserved resources, it sounds better.
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lyrick
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Xbox 360 GPU 240 GFLOPS for games ,Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games
Xbox One = 939 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox 360
Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games , PS4 GPU 1843 GFLOPS for games
PS4 = 664 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox One for games.
Oh so we're looking at a performance difference that's even less than the difference between a Radeon HD7750 and a Radeon HD7790.
That's almost yawn inducing.
Nightengale
Member
Saying that there's room in the future of optimisation to open more resources for devs to use in games is like saying 'water is wet.'
This would've been a complete non-story, had MS not officially confirm the 10% GPU allocation.
Yeah, well, protesting too much, and all that.
These long, long explanations about Xbox One's architecture are becoming quite concerning. Makes you think the power difference between this and the PS4 is far from negligible, but in fact, quite significant.
Can't think went else there'd be so much damage control.
These long, long explanations about Xbox One's architecture are becoming quite concerning. Makes you think the power difference between this and the PS4 is far from negligible, but in fact, quite significant.
Can't think went else there'd be so much damage control.
Muppet of a Man
Member
Is it yawn-inducing for the same console hardcore that flocked to DF mulitplat comparison showdowns?
I mean X360 and PS3 are arguably much closer in functional power. And yet there were noticeable disparities with PS3 having the lackluster multiplats most of the time.
Yeah, but they are accessed differently.
Bottom line in most cases 16 ROP is not bottleneck for 1080p30, but in some cases in can be. Sebbbi on beyond3D said the same thing.
You know that number they gave in that interview is for 60fps, not 30fps.
The article stats they will get full amount. So im inclined to believe that. Im not one who discounts microsoft prowess in this area. However you slice it, this is good news. Good news to me at least
Man, that thread title lead to quite a bit of confusion.
I would love to see cold, hard numbers on PS4 OS footprint too.
Gotta say though, spinning eventual reductions in OS footprint as "unlocking more power" is pretty sad. That stuff happens naturally over the lifetime of a console, regardless of manufacturer. DF is in a pretty sad state, really.
I would love to see cold, hard numbers on PS4 OS footprint too.
Gotta say though, spinning eventual reductions in OS footprint as "unlocking more power" is pretty sad. That stuff happens naturally over the lifetime of a console, regardless of manufacturer. DF is in a pretty sad state, really.
killatopak
Member
I think you got it the other way around.
But they can't have the full amount unless they completely remove kinect and snap. You can't have your cake and eat it.
can be a bottleneck for 1080/30, almost certainly will be at 1080/60...
opticalmace
Member
I love new console releases.
Microsoft to break the laws of physics confirmed.
Number in the interview was for 1080@60. Possibility of being limited in 30hz is very, very small.
MS has done anything but pimp the core draw of the system, that being Kinect.
Nice to be able to snap here and there but personally when i start gaming i don't want to be drawn out of the experience by apps while i am gaming. Its very annoying. To each their own i guess.