onnextflix5
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Why dose the xsx not have a higher resolution, there has to be bottleneck, tools cant be this bad. Are xbox fans not upset about this, imagine ps5 was performing like a 8tf console, i would be very upset with sony.
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[Digital Foundry] Watch Dogs Legion: PlayStation 5 vs Xbox Series X|S - Graphics, Performance, Ray Tracing!
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Md Ray
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Blurry texture filtering in XSXLess reflections in PS5
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Dr.Morris79
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Not really. Just lots of willy waggling posts and reach arounds
It got boring two weeks ago.
nowhat
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#puddlegate v2.0!
...I really should read all of the comments before making obvious jokes.
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waquzy
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I got both the PS5 and XSX, both are amazing consoles imo. Currently I'm enjoying GTA IV at 60fps on XSX as it is one of my favorite games of all time.
Riky
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You pea brained insect. I have witnessed you turn every thread into a shit show with your petulant attitude. You don't need to be triggered by someone saying PS5 version is superior. Yes the lower texture filtering makes the Series X version slightly inferior because textures get muddier at closer distance than PS5 version and you can see that easily as it affect most textures at a given distance and especially when viewed at an angle which is every gameplay moment.
Texture Filtering Quality >>>>>>>> Missing puddles in RT reflection on a glass.
Both appear to be bugs that can easily be patched to bring them on par.
For example if you don't know how important texture filtering is.
They are both bugs, don't get so angry
I prefer puddles myself.
Allnamestakenlol
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No puddles INSIDE reflections? That's a really weird one. Must be a bug. Also, xbox having worse anisotropic filtering? Isn't that effect just about the least intensive graphical setting in games? I never understood why so many last gen games had shitty AF.
Edit: Didn't an earlier DF video also show that the new gen consoles also have really limited reflection range? Sounds like they're just an all around much bag.
Edit: Didn't an earlier DF video also show that the new gen consoles also have really limited reflection range? Sounds like they're just an all around much bag.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
You pea brained insect. I have witnessed you turn every thread into a shit show with your petulant attitude. You don't need to be triggered by someone saying PS5 version is superior. Yes the lower texture filtering makes the Series X version slightly inferior because textures get muddier at closer distance than PS5 version and you can see that easily as it affect most textures at a given distance and especially when viewed at an angle which is every gameplay moment.
Texture Filtering Quality >>>>>>>> Missing puddles in RT reflection on a glass.
Both appear to be bugs that can easily be patched to bring them on par.
For example if you don't know how important texture filtering is.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Means the reflections are not ray traced for this 'bug'.
My twitter favorite has some addition info but it should be stated DF is dropping The ball here, no bug.
@astaranx: Not only the puddle but also the windows, on #PS5 is grey white like a mere texture, on #SeriesS and #SeriesX, it looks like a real window
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You guys make it too easy. lol New accounts + posting tweets from known Xbox fanboys. Ok, PS5 has worse ray tracing and XsX can barely handle texture filtering.
Mr Moose
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M_A_C
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Yeah his statement makes no sense from a technical standpoint, and just shows his favoritism yet again.
Aceofspades
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Are future DF comparisons be this close? Damn that's boring
Edit: PS5/XSX are basically twins performance wise. It will be great gen for sure.
Edit: PS5/XSX are basically twins performance wise. It will be great gen for sure.
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scarlet0pimp
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Why is he a douchebag, going by official numbers a 12.1 tf console should show better performance than a 10.2 tf console. Its only natural that a person in his position doing that job might wonder why that is the case, just natural curiosity.
People need to stop being so touchy about these things its not life or death or insulting your family if someone makes a comment like that.
INC
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Isnt that what we're all wondering tho? He's a douchebag for speaking an opinion, that a lot of people share.
What an odd take
You got me excited for a second there. Thought you wrote V.
Man I wish there was some way to unlock those damn frame rates.
M_A_C
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How many times do xbox fans need to be told that TF #’s don’t mean anything?
Codeblew
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Yeah, but XSX is supposed to be 50% better and the results will be obvious. XSX is the most POWERFULLLL console evAR!!!!!!
NullZ3r0
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They are current gen games ported to next Gen consoles with basic optimization.
BootsLoader
Banned
It feels so outdated. Really didn’t like it.
NullZ3r0
Banned
Its almost like you don't like to be reminded that PS5 is weaker than the Series X.
Handy Fake
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It looks it. Doesn't really interest me at all.
AntonioBanderasXsX
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Unless devs get incentives to extract the extra power out of SX why would they waste the resources? #parity
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MasterCornholio
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Depends on how noticeable the power difference is. It could be that developers don't see any real differences between the two so they won't go through the extra mile of optimizations just to make the XSX version look a tiny bit better than the PS5 version.
I bet if it was PS5 exclusive it would be the shit ! Like Godfall? Did anyone buy that game ?
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Bonfires Down
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Best news here is that Series S isn't doing as bad as I feared. 900p in areas where the other versions run at 1440p is decent.
Handy Fake
Member
Not at all. Godfall didn't really interest me either bar the looty bit, because I am a huge loot whore.
Quite frankly I'm just not a big Ubi/COD etc. fan? The technical bits interest me as the new console architecture is fascinating but beyond that there's nothing really caught my attention yet?
Apart from graphics-wise of course but again that's from somebody who started gaming on an Acorn Electron who is just flabbergasted by technology.
SegaSnatcher
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So much for those extra compute units, can't even run at a higher resolution than the PS5 version given the dynamic resolution scaling. The game seems well optimized too, so maybe this is more proof that the gap was never going to be much of a thing in real world performance.
Coulomb_Barrier
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PS5 just keeps on giving.
On a serious note I am just not impressed with this game's visuals, the RT doesn't look too special either.
On a serious note I am just not impressed with this game's visuals, the RT doesn't look too special either.
SegaSnatcher
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Parity is a loss in terms of perception given Microsoft's marketing of "The World's Most Powerful Console".
M_A_C
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LMK when it’s not just the marketing that you fell for and it shows in actual real world results.
ethomaz
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That narrative was created by MS and own Xbox fans.
BTW PS5 has a $100 cheaper model that runs the game equal without any limitation... so not the same price.
Edit - Seems appropriate words.
"You reap what you sow"
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Hawking Radiation
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10.2 = 12
assurdum
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Unbelievable. Still they persist with this narrative. Series X is 18% more powerful and ps5 is faster in the same percentage. The faster GPU can't overperform the other, but the more power should. Just why? What is it the logic behind this assumption? It's like in DF mind everything is perfectly balanced on series X but on ps5 hardware is all confusing without a logic.
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ethomaz
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Can you explain how a second GPU can be inside the power brink? Nope.
That is the same case here... fans creates some weird (and perhaps fantasist) expectations based in paper specs marketing.
eNT1TY
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The game looking blurrier 100% of the time on the X is a bigger oversite than missing puddles on reflections on the 5 during rainy scenes i would say. Every moment of gameplay is sharper on the 5 due to properly functioning AF where as once in a while (when it rains assuming puddles are dynamic) on the X you see a puddle in a reflection on applicable surfaces. One has to take into account the scope of both bugs; one is present across all scenes all the time the other affects just one type of object visible from limited angles during certain weather conditions visible only in low ground reflective surfaces that provide a field of view of the ground at the right distance of said puddle. Parity indeed.
Leyasu
Banned
The PS5 is though too..
Unless ofcourse you think that these cross gen launch games are the limit of these consoles.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
If PS5 really perform as well as the Series X in the long run, it will be the first time I see a smaller chip with fewer CU's outperform a bigger one, If conformed. What a colossal screw up from Microsoft that would be, Series X must have some terrible bottleneck in its design.
The bigger more expensive SoC, the gas chamber cooling, Series X should be quite a bit more expensive to manufacture.
Metroiddarks
Member
The console are basically equals, good for the average gamer bad for the people who replace the missing love of
their parents with fanaticism.
You are quoting a fanboy who understand nothing of the topic in order to explain something you also doesn't understand.
That sound like the usual behavior of the social networks and forums.
their parents with fanaticism.
Means the reflections are not ray traced for this 'bug'.
My twitter favorite has some addition info but it should be stated DF is dropping The ball here, no bug.
@astaranx: Not only the puddle but also the windows
You are quoting a fanboy who understand nothing of the topic in order to explain something you also doesn't understand.
That sound like the usual behavior of the social networks and forums.
yurinka
Member
Maybe the devs aren't wrong and teraflops aren't everything, maybe there are more things involved on what cause to have better or worse performance.10.2 = 12
Maybe they are a theorical peak indicator for certain tasks and not a good indicator of overall real world performance.
CUs aren't the only difference between the consoles. PS5 GPU is faster. Cerny explained on his PS5 talk why they took that approach of less CUs but higher GPU frequency, and why their memory management and I/O optimizations are important too.
To have extra CUs helpd in some areas but adds zero in other areas where it's better to have the PS5 perks like having higher frequency for their GPU.
We saw from their PC version settings that their settings for these consoles are pretty much the same, so it isn't something related to the game trying to block the performance or something like that to try to artificially achieve an unneeded parity. We're also seeing pretty similar basically tied results in most multi games, so sounds that the real world performance of both consoles is basically the same.
Don't forget #puddlegate2.0!
Now seriously, I assume they'll patch that reflections issue, same goes with texture filtering looking worse on XSX
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