Discussion: Your thoughts and opinion on Bioware

I haven't played MEA because money + it sounds like it'll benefit from patches, but I don't see any real decline or anything like that. DAI is an excellent game if one with too much filler, and ME3 was also excellent aside from that ending.

Ratings:

BG1 1 *** (Probably have given it 4 or 5 when I first played it, but future games made it obsolete)
BG2 *****
NWN ** (*****) Two stars for the original campaign, 5 stars for all the player made modules
KotOR **** (Combat is really bad, or this would be 5)
JE ***
ME1 ***
DAO ****
ME2 ****
DA2 **
SWtOR ****
ME3 **** (Bioware's best combat since BG2, but the ending costs it a star)
DAI ****
 
Bioware's dead to me now. Was a great ride while it lasted. Andromeda has soured me to a degree that I'll never buy any of their products again till they're like 80% off or something.
 
Varna said:
Bioware has been pretty hit or miss for a very long time.

No idea how people can hold KOTOR to such a high standard. It's a decent RPG no doubt but nowhere near the greatness of BG1/2. To this day I refuse to replay it because the dialogue choices are awful all around. Completely fails as a role-playing game.

SW:TOR is definitely dragged down by the mmo aspects but it has much better character writing. Even when two options effectively do the same thing they at least give you an opportunity to shape your characters persona a bit better (this is in a game with voiced protagonist to).

Dragon Age series is all over the place in terms of quality.

No one gives a shit about Jade Empire.

Mass Effect had a strong start but we all know how that ended up.

My Rankings would go...

BG1 10/10 - Love the feeling of exploration.
BG2 09/10 - Great game, but I prefer the feeling of wandering through an expansive world the first game provided. This game had a "stronger" story but I just felt constantly pushed to finish it. This game also has the seeds of modern Bioware storytelling.
NWN 8/10 - Terrible campaign, amazing tool set.
KOTOR 6/10 - Once the novelty wore off I couldn't play this again.
JE 3/10 - I played this, don't remember anything about it.
DA:O 7/10 - Decent attempt at a modern day RTwP RPG.
DA2 - N/A
DA:I 6/10 - If this game had been designed as pure exploration driven RPG it could have been amazing.
ME 7/10 - Game is clunky as hell, but so much potential.
ME 2 5/10 - Lets not even try to fix what was wrong.

Haven't played any of the other Bioware efforts. They made good products I suppose. They certainly have a lot of fans. Just not my cup of tea. BG was a long time ago and I suppose accept it as a fluke.
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Damn, man, you just nailed my feelings and ratings of Bioware games, congrats! Especially about BG1 - its was just wow, wandering about big world (on 5 cd!), BG2 was just more linear experience..
 
They've kind of fallen off. ME 1-3 were some of my favorite games ever, despite some of the flaws. DAI and MEA were disappointments for me. Guerrilla made the superior RPG this year, and Bioware is essentially an RPG focused studio too. I just think they need to take a long hard look at what they used to do right and what kind of games they are making now.
 
Other than Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2 and about half of Mass Effect 1(For the first time a few months back) I haven't played any of their games so my opinion might not be very relevant...

Andromeda is one of my favorite games I played in years, despite:
frequent bugs, a bit rushed and a bit lazy in certain areas.

If the game worked 100% without bugs i'd honestly give it a 8.5-9
As is though i'd say its in the mid to high 7 range

I have no issues with the story(its relatively shallow compared to what I played of 1, but its basically starting up from an open platform)

For something pretty comparative imo, i'd put Mass Effect Andromeda over Destiny(@launch) any day.
 
They were at their best good, but not one of the best studios. I much prefer what Blackisle did as far as crpgs, as I'm a far bigger fan of games like Fallout, Icewind Dale n Planescape even over the glory that is Baldur's Gate 2. Although yes Baldur's Gate 2 is pretty damn good, the first game merely good.

It's more of a mixed bag from there

I can't stand KoToR's gameplay and choices, but sure for a star wars story it's neato. Jade Empire I didn't even bother finishing. Mass Effect is an average video game that tells an enjoyable story with a well fleshed out setting. Mass Effect 2 is overly streamlined, but mostly enjoyable game, nothing special. 3 is a hot mess.

Dragon Age 1 is a shit stain that had no business being compared to Baldur's Gate much less other crpgs of the old days. The combat isn't nearly as deep on a tactical level, the level design is dreadful with stuff like The Fade and The Deeproads standing out as supreme shit barrels. Pretty sure there are mods dedicated to just cutting those parts of the game out. Oh and I can't stand how painfully generic the setting, characters, and story were by that point.

At least the cliches in Baldur's Gate n KoToR they were tied to this established ip, sort of, but Dragon Age had no excuse after seeing Bioware flex their muscle at least creatively on the narrative front.

Didn't even bother trying Dragon Age 2, because if Dragon Age 1 fans didn't like it, it must be really bad was my impression lol.
 
If anything Bioware is finally getting better/starting to make games I actually like. Inquisition is easily the best Dragon Age game and Andromeda is easily the best Mass Effect game.
 
I can personally find an enjoyable experience in games like Inquisition and Andromeda, but I can understand why people feel that the EA takeover was the end of what Bioware used to be.

Origins and ME2 were the last work of old Bioware, and coincidentally the last games they released without any real issues (like an obviously rushed production time, or controversial/questionable design decisions).

Their name still deserves respect though, I think, and I remain interested in what they do. In fact I think their most recent work shows a lot of promise, held back by frustrating flaws.
 
Varna said:
Bioware has been pretty hit or miss for a very long time.

No idea how people can hold KOTOR to such a high standard. It's a decent RPG no doubt but nowhere near the greatness of BG1/2. To this day I refuse to replay it because the dialogue choices are awful all around. Completely fails as a role-playing game.

SW:TOR is definitely dragged down by the mmo aspects but it has much better character writing. Even when two options effectively do the same thing they at least give you an opportunity to shape your characters persona a bit better (this is in a game with voiced protagonist to).

Dragon Age series is all over the place in terms of quality.

No one gives a shit about Jade Empire.

Mass Effect had a strong start but we all know how that ended up.

My Rankings would go...

BG1 10/10 - Love the feeling of exploration.
BG2 09/10 - Great game, but I prefer the feeling of wandering through an expansive world the first game provided. This game had a "stronger" story but I just felt constantly pushed to finish it. This game also has the seeds of modern Bioware storytelling.
NWN 8/10 - Terrible campaign, amazing tool set.
KOTOR 6/10 - Once the novelty wore off I couldn't play this again.
JE 3/10 - I played this, don't remember anything about it.
DA:O 7/10 - Decent attempt at a modern day RTwP RPG.
DA2 - N/A
DA:I 6/10 - If this game had been designed as pure exploration driven RPG it could have been amazing.
ME 7/10 - Game is clunky as hell, but so much potential.
ME 2 5/10 - Lets not even try to fix what was wrong.

Haven't played any of the other Bioware efforts. They made good products I suppose. They certainly have a lot of fans. Just not my cup of tea. BG was a long time ago and I suppose accept it as a fluke.
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People can have opinions but Jesus; KOTOR 6/10, JE 3/10, ME 2 5/10... I'm pretty dumbfounded here. Like can you elaborate why?
 
The Bioware games I've played have been Neverwinter Nights, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, and Sonic Chronicles: the Dark Brotherhood, which vary from mediocre to alright, but ultimately I found all of them pretty boring.

The only one I actually beat was the Sonic game, which is probably the worst of the three overall, but I was a huge Sonic fan at the time, and I found the turn based battles more appealing than the combat systems in KotOR and Neverwinter Nights, although even Sonic's battle system was kinda crap. Neverwinter Nights is the one I have the fondest memories of.

But yeah, I'm not a fan of Bioware.
 
liezryou said:
People can have opinions but Jesus; KOTOR 6/10, JE 3/10, ME 2 5/10... I'm pretty dumbfounded here. Like can you elaborate why?
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This right here is partly why Bioware is in such a weird state.

Bioware fans or ex-fans cannot agree among themselves on any Bioware game design element past or present. ME1 and ME2 alone have such a wide gulf in between.
 
A once great developer that's predictably become a shadow of their former self under a new overlord. They seem to have lost much of the talent that understood what made rpg's great and instead they feel like a company that just do what EA wants them to do.
 
Can't say I've been particularly impressed with their latest output but I'll always remember BG2 fondly. They're basically B tier now though. Obsidian or CDPR clearly have the better talent on their teams.
 
I still love them though they are no longer at the top when it comes to RPGs.

I guess since everyone else is rating their games:

KOTOR: 9/10
DA:O: 7/10 (couldn't really get into it as much as everyone else)
DA 2: 7/10
DAI: 9/10
ME: 9/10
ME 2: 10/10
ME 3: 8/10
ME: A: 8/10
 
A once important company that spent all its credibility to get the diet RPG fans in its corner and became a laughingstock in the process. I used to think the hate for them was overblown but now I completely understand.
 
I didn't grow tired of them with their last game design choices and shortcomings (not going to play Andromeda for a while, though) but I can clearly see where the communities' criticisms come from (except, obviously, the "politics in my games?11!!1" morons)

I think they should recalibrate their vision with a smaller game focusing on interactions with your party and NPC

But EA does what EA do
 
Baldur's Gate saga
Kotor
Dragon Age Origins
Mass Effect Trilgy
"thumps up"

after that

Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition
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Haven't played Andromeda
 
They've just been in a slow downhill slide for me ever since DA:O. And thinking back now I'm worried that game wouldn't hold up given the great cRPGs we've been afforded in the last three years or so. I can see why people still enjoy their games, I just don't think they're for me.
 
The emphasis Bioware placed on creating colourful and likeable characters/companions was something sorely needed in Western RPGs. This is something that WRPGs with a focus on character creation and freedom had largely ignored pre-Bioware, and one which JRPGs did far better. You look at the cast of any of the good SNES JRPGs and they're instantly memorable in terms of design, silhouette and colour palette. (Most people could draw something that looks like Crono or Marle from memory) That's not something you can say for most WRPG parties, and notable exceptions like Torment are much better for having extremely memorable companions.

Even the better Obsidian games (KoToR 2 and NV) are by far the better for having an extremely strong and colourful cast of companions.

It's a shame that the apotheosis of this trend is apparently sub Joss Wheedon adolescent banter.
 
bioware cant be saved unless they tamper their expectations of selling 10 million units.

they were great when they targeted niche audiance with 2-3 million units sold per game.

in their attempt to expand their footprint (going open world, etc) they are unable to make best games they are known for. i dont know if they will ever make amazing games again. my personal ranking of bioware games:

1. baldurs gate 2
2. dragon age origins
3. mass effect
4. mass effect 3
5. kotor
6. mass effect 2
7. neverwinter nights
 
When on form, easily one of the best developers in gaming, when they are not it blows up in their face.

As someone who loves Mass Effect, Andromeda has been a bit of a kick in the testies, I don't think it's bad but not great either. It could and should of been better than what is.

Having said that, I hope they learn from this, any dev worth your time will look past the "haters" shite that goes on and use the criticism to make better games in the future.
 
Before EA buyout, one of the best developers of all time. I would buy anything BioWare.
After EA, the slide started.
Now, I won't touch anything they make. DA:I was the last straw. They're dead to me. It'll take a massive turnaround to make me change heart.

They used to be heralded for their writing, but since those days, game writing has improved marginally overall, and BioWare's has gotten consistently worse.
 
I used to think they were the best back when KoToR 1 was out.

Never played the older stuff but I hear great things, so I probably will pick it up at some point.

Then they slowly became just a run of the mill, average ass game dev...

Honestly I haven't felt any desire the play one of their games since ME3.

(Ps. I never liked Dragon Age)
 
I like Bioware. I've only played the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games from them, so I can't speak to their other titles.

However, Mass Effect is one of my favorite gaming franchises and Andromeda didn't disappoint. It is great to see that all 4 different Mass Effect games have been good and not a single one of them has been bad yet.

Dragon Age however, is so mixed. It has one good game (Origins), one OK game (DA2) and one bad game (Inquisition). The tone of the franchise is all over the place. Like, it is hard to believe that Origins and Inquisition are even in the same franchise. Dragon Age needs a massive overhaul in terms of... well, everything.
 
Baldur's Gate 2/SoA and Mass Effect 2 are my two favorite games of theirs, their two peaks in two very different eras, followed mostly by declines in quality (albeit not across the board). Overall, I don't really hold them in special regard as far as developers go and, despite understanding their appeal, I don't end up not finishing most of their stuff. Inquisition in particular seems almost un-finishable to me - and maybe I shouldn't have finished ME3 lol.

I feel like by the time they released ME2, and more so with DA2, they've started to become very pandering with their fanbase (not to be confused with jaded CRPG curmudgeons who would just be better off playing real - as in tabletop - RPGs than hanging around with these action games). I think this bit them in the ass when they started to disappoint that base after pulling them all along without any real plan. As I've said before, live by the fanboy, die by the fanboy.
 
Loved the Baldurs gate series. Loved the Icewind Dale series. Loved 90% of Mass Effect 1 - 3. Only played Dragon Age 1, but that was great too.
Now Andromeda? The ugly faces, clunky animations and edu-tainment/political shoe horning has put me off investing much time into the single player. However, I have been enjoying the multiplayer and think the environments are really well done. The movement/jet pack works really well too.
 
Baldur's Gate 1 + 2 are my favourite RPGs ever made.

I loved NWN, but Obsidian did NWN 2 better.
I loved KOTOR, but Obsidian did KOTOR 2 better.

Both these games were overall much better by Obsidian, from writing to actual RPG design.

I enjoyed Jade Empire, but I'm not crazy about it.

I enjoyed the first Mass Effect, but it was the start of Bioware losing touch of making RPGs. They have not made a RPG since.
 
Caboose said:
They need to stop chasing the open world fad. They're not good at it.
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I think I agree with you, though funnily enough they've still never actually made a properly open world game. But I do think they're at their best when creating smaller maps with a few interesting side-quests, like in DA: Origins.
 
Mass Effect 1 and 2, Jade Empire, and Dragon Age: Origins are some of my favorite games of all time.

I have yet to play Andromeda until they fix it all up though.
 
Most of the original Bioware developers including there founders are long gone, you have. Playing Andromeda at the moment and its a very average game. Gamers are a completely different breed these days, Most games now have some sort of RPG elements in them, therefore diluting proper RPG's.
 
hobblygobbly said:
Baldur's Gate 1 + 2 are my favourite RPGs ever made.

I loved NWN, but Obsidian did NWN 2 better.
I loved KOTOR, but Obsidian did KOTOR 2 better.

Both these games were overall much better by Obsidian, from writing to actual RPG design.

I enjoyed Jade Empire, but I'm not crazy about it.

I enjoyed the first Mass Effect, but it was the start of Bioware losing touch of making RPGs. They have not made a RPG since.
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Obsidian is flat out better and has been ever since the day the were founded in 2003. There is a consistency to it one can't deny. Baldur's Gate 2 is the potential WPRG GOAT, I'd agree with that, but New Vegas came close enough and most of the games Obsidian released in the past 12 years have shook up the WRPG community. Bioware's output since KotOR not so much and even that game was, as you said, surpassed by Obsidian's take on the franchise.

If I were to list the best RPGs among both companies it'd go something like this:

1. Baldur's Gate 2 (Bio)
2. New Vegas (Obs)
(somewhat of a big gap)
3. Mask of the Betrayer (Obs)
4. KotOR 2 (Obs)
5. KotOR (Bio)
6. Pillar of Eternity (Obs)
8. Baldur's Gate 1 (Bio, very good but gets more credit than it deserves because of the amazing sequel)
7. Alpha Protocol (Obs)
8. Mass Effect 2 (Bio)

Can't even name more games than that because I think the Dragon Age games are pulp (and only revered by people who didn't play BG2 which was better in every way x10) and so are ME 1 and 3. I didn't play other Obsidian games.

edit: I gotta admit I liked Neverwinter Nights. Nobody else did though.
 
I think it went downhill after ME2.

I also think that the studios future might be uncertain if their new Destiny-Style franchise does not hit hard.

EDIT: ME2 is one of my favorite games of all time.
 
I am right there with you OP. Absolutely loved Dragon Age: Origins. It was one of my favorite PC games for a while.

My favorite part of this game was everything about the Deep Roads. I loved exploring every nook and cranny of these terrible infested places just to find all kind of treasure.

You are right in the money with the plot. I love how there is a nice political climate, the Grey Wardens story and the Deep Roads. Only thing I really didn't like where the weird dream sequences where you went into someone's dream to fight off Wraiths.

A lot of posters here already have played way more Bioware games then me however. I only played a small handful.

DA:O 9/10
ME2 9/10
ME3 7/10
DA:2 5/10
DA:I 4/10 --- I got a bad bug that prevented me from fast traveling and using my map. That blocker pretty much sealed the deal with continuing to play it.
 
Imp the Dimp said:
Obsidian is flat out better and has been ever since the day the were founded in 2003. There is a consistency to it one can't deny. Baldur's Gate 2 is the potential WPRG GOAT, I'd agree with that, but New Vegas came close enough and most of the games Obsidian released in the past 12 years have shook up the WRPG community. Bioware's output since KotOR not so much and even that game was, as you said, surpassed by Obsidian's take on the franchise.

If I were to list the best RPGs among both companies I'd go something like this:

1. Baldur's Gate 2 (Bio)
2. New Vegas (Obs)
(somewhat of a big gap)
3. Mask of the Betrayer (Obs)
4. KotOR 2 (Obs)
5. KotOR (Bio)
6. Pillar of Eternity (Obs)
8. Baldur's Gate 1 (Bio, very good but gets more credit than it deserves because of the amazing sequel)
7. Alpha Protocol (Obs)
8. Mass Effect 2 (Bio)

Can't even name more games than that because I think the Dragon Age games are pulp (and only revered by people who didn't play BG2 which was better in every way x10) and so are ME 1 and 3. I didn't play other Obsidian games.

edit: I gotta admit I liked Neverwinter Nights. Nobody else did though.
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Obsidian is the best w-rpg developer - I agree. Also Black Isle Studio helped with Baldur's Gate Saga and as far as I know ex-black isle staff founded Obsidian.

So Baldur's Gate Saga is basically co-developed by Obsidian what could explain why it is far and away the best Bioware game.

But to be honest I am not THAT deep into the whole studio-stuff and I don't know to what extend Black Isle Studios was involved into making Baldur's Gate Saga. I don't want to discredit Bioware. And the Bioware of today certainly isn't the Bioware from 1998.
 
I don't even know what I want from them anymore. Like something is wrong but I don't know what it is that's missing that can be fixed. "Make your games good like they used to be" is not very good constructive criticism.
 
Hot take time: the first bioware RPG with something approaching decent combat was Jade Empire (maybe KOTOR). At least that was merely okay, rather than taking a good system and brutalising it; then making you play it on fast forward.

I guess if we're doing ratings...


  • Baldur's Gate 1: 5/10. The thin story and uninteresting characters don't manage to save the poor gameplay, but the exploration works well.
  • Baldur's Gate 2: 8/10. Story and characters are actually interesting this around, great dungeons and such. Combat gets a little better, though still fundamentally shit.
  • NWN: I've actually only played around five minutes of this, but I have played the sequel. That was a little more manageable than the Baldur's Gate series, but still like playing an RTS on a gamepad with most of the options removed at double speed.
  • KOTOR: 10/10. The gameplay is streamlined to shit, but pretty to look at and acknowledges the limitations of RTwP. The quality voice acting and perfect atmosphere plus my nostalgic affection for it get it it's rating. It "deserves" an 8 or something, but I'm never going to not rate it a 10/10. Also gets points for moving towards a far more sensible companion system.
  • Jade Empire: 8/10. Simplistic but workable combat system, enjoyable story and cool world. Not their greatest work, but something I certainly would have liked to see more of.
  • Mass Effect 1: 7/10. Gameplay is flawed, but the critical path is excellent. Boring side content, characters that occasionally act as walking encyclopedias attempt to bring down the truly stellar world building, but don't succeed.
  • Dragon Age Origins: 8.5/10 Gameplay that was something approaching good? In a Bioware game? Yes, it seemed that the secret towards good combat in a RtWP RPG was to make a system for the game you're actually making, not to rip one from a different game and then break it until it's square peg fits into your round hole. Also cast was pretty good, cool world building etc.
  • Mass Effect 2: 9.5/10. The best ME game, though only because 3 botched the landing. Good combat, enhanced by making build choices actual choices with stark differences between them.One of Bioware's best casts, and their best side content by far combine to create a great game. Also has the best final dungeon.
  • Dragon Age 2: 8/10. A flawed masterpiece, as opposed to a merely competent work like Jade Empire. If this had gotten DAO or DAI's dev time, it would have been their best game. Even as is, it's a worthwhile experience and the story is a style I'd like them to return to.
  • Mass Effect 3: 9/10. Strong critical path and cast, plus the even stronger gameplay would make this the best Mass Effect game if it didn't have such a poor ending. Citadel DLC is a 10/10 though.
  • Dragon Age Inquisition: 9/10. The best dragon age game, with a great critical path and the series' best cast. I actually kinda like the romances in this game, even of characters I don't really like themselves (Sera's is pretty good, even). I'm not sure where I'd place the combat - all three games have different strengths and weaknesses, so which I like more tends to fluctuate.
  • Mass Effect Andromeda. I haven't finished this yet, but I'm about 30 hours in and I'd rate it an 8.5 so far. Great game play, writing is at a ME1 level with a good crit path and worldbuilding but much weaker side content. Cast is good, although the queer romance options seem like they were copy and pasted out of ME3. It's interesting to see the social issues that Montreal prioritised over Edmonton. Maybe minus a point for fucking up Hainly Abrams so bad.
  • SWTOR: 8/10. I actually quite like the story of SWOTR, and have really enjoyed KotFE/ET. Though I suppose it's only middling as far as tab-target hotbar combat MMOs go, at being an MMO, I played it for the class stories and got that.
 
Mr.Deadshot said:
Obsidian is the best w-rpg developer - I agree. Also Black Isle Studio helped with Baldur's Gate Saga and as far as I know ex-black isle staff founded Obsidian.

So Baldur's Gate Saga is basically co-developed by Obsidian what could explain why it is far and away the best Bioware game.

But to be honest I am not THAT deep into the whole studio-stuff and I don't know to what extend Black Isle Studios was involved into making Baldur's Gate Saga. I don't want to discredit Bioware. And the Bioware of today certainly isn't the Bioware from 1998.
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I mean, it's probably between Obsidian and CDPR which can be a matter of preference. It's just that Bioware honestly doesn't enter that discussion anymore and hasn't for a while. I agree comparing Bioware's output from today with their stuff from 2000 is not that helpful because of various reasons.
 
They've made some of my favorite games of all time, yet somehow I feel nothing when I think of them these days and I never care about any of their projects anymore. I don't know how to feel about that....
 
poodaddy said:
They've made some of my favorite games of all time, yet somehow I feel nothing when I think of them these days and I never care about any of their projects anymore. I don't know how to feel about that....
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I know right? My feelings run pretty parallel to yours in this regard. I really want to see more from this company, but I feel like we are all being toyed with when it comes to the quality of their work.

Every time I hear a new game get announced from them, there is this stigma of "oh 50/50 chance it'll be good". That is not a good feeling to have towards any company honestly.
 
A studio which used to produce some of the best RPGs in the industry, gradually though they lost their way (Mass effect 2 and onwards) and started producing dumped down relationship simulators that tried and failed to be RPGs. Too bad because they made some really good games (Baldur's Gate, Mass effect 1, Dragon Age Origins).
 
I was just thinking about this.

A few months ago I restarted Dragon Age
(holy shit it was over a year ago... where does the time go...)

I think it's pretty well accepted that DA:O has a lot of problems. However, even in 2016, I found the game was still fun. It didn't take itself too seriously, it presented some interesting narrative situations and choices, and above all else, the combat left plenty of room for creativity. Each fight was its own puzzle with a multitude of solutions.

Flash forward to now, I have a new computer, and I started Dragon Age Inquisition, but nothing about this game makes me want to play it. At no point do I feel like I'm having fun; it just feels like I'm launching the game and doing busy work. The combat doesn't flow at all; and half the time I don't really even understand what happened in a fight. I just enter combat and win somehow. The dialogue is so uninteresting that I find myself resisting the urge to just skip it outright.

I'd be really curious to see a comparison chart of who was in charge of what aspects of each game, because it certainly feels like DA:I never had a soul, whereas DA:O is all about it.
 
No Love said:
Baldur's Gate 2 and KOTOR are two of the greatest RPGs ever made, with good reason. Hell, Bioware even made MDK2. They were GODs when I was growing up, complete nobodies that came out of nowhere with Baldur's Gate 1 and set the PC RPG world on fire. They inspired countless classic RPG's: Arcanum, Divinity series, The Witcher series, etc etc.

And now we're here. Bioware is a shadow of their former glory and their games have gotten progressively worse throughout the years. Their cookie guttee, generic, and cliched bullshit has gotten stale. None of their current games hold a candle to Baldur's Gate.

The torch was passed a long time ago. Obsidian became the new Bioware and others like CDprojekt Red have carried the torch as well.

It's over. It's time to give up on Bioware. There are so many other RPG devs putting them to shame. That's who deserves your money. Not BiowarEA.
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I agree with this. Although I would add NWN as one of their tops as well. KOTOR was really good too, but beyond that they started to go downhill. I appreciate the efforts they made to create wholly original IP's with DA and ME, and I have enjoyed both franchises to a certain extent, especially earlier entries when they were still closer to being RPG's, but ultimately nothing can compare to their earlier days, especially with the Baldur's Gate series.

EA was definitely a sign of the end, but if I'm being honest, their stuff hadn't been as good leading up to that either way. Current day Bioware is a hint of a shadow of what they once were, and as noted in the above quote, companies like Obsidian and CDPR carry that torch very effectively now.
 
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