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[Lone_Prodigy]

Must be kind of lonely in the scum chat, no?

with no reason at all~

I did notice that you've been following me (probably coincidence) on voting usually when i put up a vote for couple days. Why?

Is this just to provoke discussion on someone other than Zatoth or is it backed by some actual new thoughts?

I started Day 2 and Day 4 with the same vote. I've outlined my suspicions from before.

gryvan voted AB on Day 2. He voted Zatoth on Day 4.

I'd be fine with a Zatoth lynch and he's played pretty passively until now, but at least he's been trying to contribute.

 

[gryvan]

Must be kind of lonely in the scum chat, no?





I started Day 2 and Day 4 with the same vote. I've outlined my suspicions from before.

gryvan voted AB on Day 2. He voted Zatoth on Day 4.

I'd be fine with a Zatoth lynch and he's played pretty passively until now, but at least he's been trying to contribute.

so basically same old same old

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

DON'T QUOTE THIS

Summary of Night Actions

I'm going to assume all scum night actions are performed.

Night 1

Confirmed
-flatearthpandas (Alice, ordinary with day action) dies
-Darryl (Grimhilde) tracks someone
-Trigger (Lady Tremaine) roleblocks someone
-Ursula (Christina Mackenzie) uses a night action (assume investigation on Seath to reveal that he is Tinkerbell)

Unconfirmed
-weemadarthur (unknown) is targeted with a kill and is notified that a kill failed
-Fireblend (unknown) sleep walks
-TheExodu5 (Ariel) commutes
-Enker (unknown) uses his night action on TheExodu5 but it fails
-Terrabyte20xx (Elsa) shoots flatearthpandas
-Terrabyte20xx (Elsa) receives a message: "Pull the Trigger"
-Freakenchair (Rapunzel) checks Fireblend for motion and receives a POSITIVE result

Night 2

Confirmed
-Darryl (Grimhilde) tracks someone
-Trigger (Lady Tremaine) roleblocks someone

Unconfirmed

-Darryl (Grimhilde) sleep walks
-Enker (unknown) uses his night action on Zatoth and receives a result
-Mazre (unknown) receives a message: "Don't pull the Trigger"
-Freakenchair (Rapunzel) checks Seath for motion and receives a POSITIVE result
-TheExodu5 (Ariel) commutes

Night 3

Confirmed
-Trigger (Lady Tremaine) roleblocks someone

Unconfirmed

-Enker (unknown) uses his night action on Lone_Prodigy and receives a result
-Someone (unknown) receives a message
-Freakenchair (Rapunzel) checks Seath for motion and receives a POSITIVE result
-TheExodu5 (Ariel) commutes
-Someone sleep walks

Night 4

Unconfirmed
-Enker (unknown) uses his night action on someone and receives a result
-Someone (unknown) receives a message
-Freakenchair (Rapunzel) checks someone for motion and receives a POSITIVE result
-TheExodu5 (Ariel) commutes
-Someone sleep walks

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Confirmed roles:
1 scum tracker (Darryl)
1 scum one-shot cop/silencer/killer (CM)
1 scum roleblocker (Trigger)
1 ordinary (Dusk)
1 day-claim ordinary (FEP)

Unconfirmed roles:
2 lovers (Sept and Terra)
1 X-shot killer (Terra)
1 commuter (Exodu5)
1 investigative-type (Enker)
1 motion detector (Freakinchair)
1 sleepwalker (???)
1 message deliverer (???)
1 X-shot bulletproof (weemad)

7/20 claimed names (Tinkerbell, Giselle, Anna, Elsa, Ariel, Rapunzel, Wendy)
3 claimed by scum (Tiana, Snow White, Anastasia)

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

so basically same old same old

Basically, yeah.

Tell you what, if you claim, I'll claim.

 

[weemadarthur]

Zatoth and gryvan are both pretty obvious choices due to voting patterns.

But I'd still like to talk about exodus.

Since Lone Prodigy has made it his goal in the game to track all power roles, and correctly listed mine even when I tried to deflect (stupid experienced player knowing how roles work), I may as well share it. He already wrote it down publicly, which affects people.

I am your warrior princess, and am x-shot bulletproof. This is why I have such a hard time believing exodus to be night kill immune. We caught scum cop, roleblocker, and 1 shot ninja misc. Those are strong, but not strong enough to justify two kill resistant town members.

 

[Zatoth]

I am your warrior princess, and am x-shot bulletproof. This is why I have such a hard time believing exodus to be night kill immune. We caught scum cop, roleblocker, and 1 shot ninja misc. Those are strong, but not strong enough to justify two kill resistant town members.

So there is a good chance you were targeted already. Considering the lack of deaths. Do/did you receive a message when you lose a life?

As for Exodus. I am quite sure he is lying about his role in some way. He claimed to be untouchable each night, right? With some kind of weakness attached to it. Ursula's power may have been able to counter that. But that seems kinda weak to stop such a powerful role. Especially with it being a one-shot ability. And Ursula's description does not even mention Ariel.

@Exodus: With Ursula already out of the picture. Can you tell us if your roles mention her in some way related to your power?

 

[gryvan]

Basically, yeah.

Tell you what, if you claim, I'll claim.

if I would, I would but I cannot claim mine or else the ability itself becomes completely useless.

 

[Zatoth]

Oh, any new messages or sleep walking this night?

 

[gryvan]

also you know what?

Vote: Lone_Prodigy

due to the fact that hes trying to figure out most of the PR atm.
This in and of itself is very scum like

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

if I would, I would but I cannot claim mine or else the ability itself becomes completely useless.

Convenient.

also you know what?

Vote: Lone_Prodigy

due to the fact that hes trying to figure out most of the PR atm.
This in and of itself is very scum like

Cool.

 

[AbsolutBro]

I almost feel bad at this point.

 

[Royal_Flush]

Oh, any new messages or sleep walking this night?

Yes. Whoever sends these messages hasn't traded their weird humor for clarity. This time I see even less sense than in the Trigger ones. It reads "beware the Ultron and his Ultra" (I suppose I'm allowed to quote this since the Trigger messages also got quoted). I have no clue what to make of this and will just ignore it until we come to a situation where Ultron and at least one other person are equally good lynch targets.

also you know what?

Vote: Lone_Prodigy

due to the fact that hes trying to figure out most of the PR atm.
This in and of itself is very scum like

 

[Fireblend]

Yeah gryvan that post doesn't make you look super good. Are you trying to save Zatoth?

 

[ultron87]

if I would, I would but I cannot claim mine or else the ability itself becomes completely useless.

Oh, this old classic.

Vote: Gryvan

 

[AbsolutBro]

Today's lesson: if you're going to save game notes in Edge, make sure you know how to open up those notes afterwards.

Gotta admit, it's a fairly short list of vote targets today. I do find it interesting that the message RF got is about Ultron, especially after I mentioned him during the last day phase.

 

[gryvan]

Yeah gryvan that post doesn't make you look super good. Are you trying to save Zatoth?

No I'm not

Why the hell would I save zatoth who has contributed less to town.

 

[gryvan]

Yeah gryvan that post doesn't make you look super good. Are you trying to save Zatoth?

You probably know somewhat of what I'm talking about due to the fact that this is my second game so far.

 

[Septimus Prime]

So, uh, is scum even still playing?

 

[TheExodu5]

So there is a good chance you were targeted already. Considering the lack of deaths. Do/did you receive a message when you lose a life?

As for Exodus. I am quite sure he is lying about his role in some way. He claimed to be untouchable each night, right? With some kind of weakness attached to it. Ursula's power may have been able to counter that. But that seems kinda weak to stop such a powerful role. Especially with it being a one-shot ability. And Ursula's description does not even mention Ariel.

@Exodus: With Ursula already out of the picture. Can you tell us if your roles mention her in some way related to your power?

No, my role does not mention anyone else.

 

[TheExodu5]

I'm voting Zatoth.

He has "jokingly" claimed Doctor several times at this point. I can't bring up all the posts on mobile, but it must be 3 or 4 times now. Seems like a scum gambit more than anything.

Vote: Zatoth

Best case, we get scum and end the game quicker. Second best case, we lynch the doctor and we actually give scum a fighting chance.

I gotta say, it's hard to stay invested when nothing is happening at night.

 

[TheExodu5]

weemadarthur, can you tell us more about why you get notified when you get targeted? I don't.

 

[weemadarthur]

weemadarthur, can you tell us more about why you get notified when you get targeted? I don't.

Cause X-shot isn't infinite. If mafia keep hitting me over and over again, I'll eventually die. Unless there's a protector helping me.

 

[Mazre]

Poor scum, definitely seem to be having a rough game, I know that feeling. So let's kick em while they're down.

I am Charlotte La Bouff, New Orleans Debutante. At night I can "Who invited her?: <name>" to check alignment.

My checks have been as thus:

N1: Lone_Prodigy
N2: Zatoth
N3: gryvan
N4: Royal_Flush

All came back as town.

 

[Kevyt]

What...

 

[Mazre]

Other items:

TB20XX - can you clarify if you received your message n1 or n3, there seems to be some confusion on this

weemad - Can you complete your claim in full?

on remaining scum - I predict 2 remaining, I have a hunch on what their characters may be but don't think there's any great benefit in that speculation

Going back to Exodus/Enker - Their stories in part seem to corroborate each other, I don't think both are scum, but could believe 1 of them being scum. Need to give this one more thought

On messages - I have trouble coming up with a town scenario for these, feels like a scum ability or possibly a neutral. I think it's best not to give them much if any weight going forward

 

[Kevyt]

Why didn't you investigate Darryl's alignment on Day 2, to see if he was lying, especially since he claimed he was a cop?

I have to take your probings with a grain of salt fellow Mazre...

 

[Septimus Prime]

Why would it be a scum ability if it kept telling people to take a look at Trigger (at the very least), who turned out to be scum?

 

[Mazre]

Why didn't you investigate Darryl's alignment on Day 2, to see if he was lying, especially since he claimed he was a cop?

I have to take your probings with a grain of salt fellow Mazre...

Darryl already had a lot of heat, and the revelation that scum had access to a role cop meant town had plenty of evidence against him. By checking people who didn't have heat on them I cover more ground. At best I catch a hidden scum, at worst I build a string of known town who aren't at immediate risk of being ejected.

 

[Mazre]

Why would it be a scum ability if it kept telling people to take a look at Trigger (at the very least), who turned out to be scum?

Sets up a WIFOM situation. Not saying it was well played. We don't know what kind of limitations the messages have either or how/if said message sender would have info on a given player.

 

[Kevyt]

Why would it be a scum ability if it kept telling people to take a look at Trigger (at the very least), who turned out to be scum?

Indeed. I think whoever is sending those messages knows something we don't.

I don't think we should dismiss those messages just yet.

Darryl already had a lot of heat, and the revelation that scum had access to a role cop meant town had plenty of evidence against him. By checking people who didn't have heat on them I cover more ground. At best I catch a hidden scum, at worst I build a string of known town who aren't at immediate risk of being ejected.

Well then I think I have to revise my list of suspects, considering that Gryvan and Zatoth are town according to your probing.

Who are your top scum suspects as of now?

 

[Kevyt]

I honestly think that Zatoth comes off as really scummy given his voting pattern.

If we were to lynch him we could potentially find out if Mazre is saying the truth.

What if Mazre is a lost partner or something and covering for another scum player in his "list"? or Zatoth was the lost partner and he didn't activate as scum until just recently given that he was probed very early in the game and it went unnoticed by Mazre's part.

I'm just thinking of many possibilities here.

 

[Ayumi]

Vote: Zathoth

Things became clear to me because of this post:
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197816783&postcount=1731

Trigger didn't want to vote for Zathoth, and Zathoth probably voted for Trigger because Trigger was going down anyway. So Zathoth saw a chance to kinda bandwagon/try to stay safe.
For some reason, Trigger insisted on voting me instead (and probably had all intentions of unvoting), while he was Evil. I don't believe he aimed for me specifically.
Or maybe he thought my newbie status/cluelessness would let him get a chance to vote someone other than Zathoth, without having to give as much explanation as he might have been questioned with if he voted someone else.

 

[Mazre]

Indeed. I think whoever is sending those messages knows something we don't.

I don't think we should dismiss those messages just yet.



Well then I think I have to revise my list of suspects, considering that Gryvan and Zatoth are town according to your probing.

Who are your top scum suspects as of now?

1 of Exodus/Enker - Enker's claim was vague and based in part on Exodus's claim; Exodus seems to be hiding something, but Enker's claim seems to back up the commuter part of his claim, a scum commuter isn't impossible but would certainly be unusual.

I need to take a closer look at the replacements they feel like a blind spot at the moment.

Ferret/Fireblend I've generally leaned town on but I want to take another look here as well.

 

[Kevyt]

^^ Well that's interesting, and a strong case for voting Zatoth, Ayumi. Thanks for bringing that up.

Okay I have a few things in my mind I have to share.

We know that scum got a list of safe characters they could claim as from Yenny. Yet I still wonder how Darryl claimed Wendy but he wasn't. It was AB all along. Why would Darryl do this if not to make it seem like he has some tie to me (as Tinkerbell) and perhaps to possibly draw out a Wendy. It still doesn't make much sense if scum already had a list of safe characters they could choose from.

Darryl's Wendy claim:

My role doesn't say Older Wendy. It just says Wendy. I'm trying to rationalize how what AbsolutBro makes sense. I don't wanna attack his role claim cuz that only makes sense if he's trying to keep the twin sisters alive and they're scum, which fits with my original accusation but it's also an even bolder set of circumstances on top of already bold circumstances. And that house of cards will fall eventually.

Darryl then claimed that he was Snow White, and maybe snow white is in the list of safe characters? Possibly? Maybe? No one else counter-claimed snow white. Of course he turned out to be scum all along.

I'm Snow White. I send the Huntsman to investigate another player and get their role name. It was all lies. I investigated Seath because I thought he was scum.

Christina Mackenzie claimed to be Anastasia, a non-princess character. No one else counter-claimed:

Might as well come clean. I'm Princess Anastasia, if I'm lynched or night killed, my killer also dies with me. I attempted to bait mafia by dropping several bread crumbs of Disney characters.

Ultron makes an interesting point:

If that is your real role claiming now makes no sense at all. It might even be your real role name, because maybe the bad guys are 3rd party princesses.

Such as Giselle... Possibly. ???

Anyways, Trigger didn't claim to be anyone else, he was just himself all along.

Scum have claimed three different characters, one of which was another player: Wendy, Snow White, and Anastasia.

Only Anastasia is a third party princess, or at least could be considered one.

I'm bringing this up because I have a gut feeling that Giselle isn't even in this game. Something in me just says that no one here is Giselle and could be part of "scum" list.

That message that Royal Flush received also makes me a bit uneasy about Ultron.

However he does come clean when it comes to his voting record, so there isn't much to it from my part other than just a mere "gut feeling" for now

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Interesting.

I'm inclined to believe Mazre; he does have the CM lynch to back him up. I had to Google Charlotte La Bouff: she was in Princess and the Frog (no relation to Shia).

gryvan, Zatoth, and I were all on the AB vote list. Is it too convenient that we're all cleared in one fell swoop? Yes, but Mafia is always unpredictable. No one saw three straight scum lynches after all.

I'm not going to bother with the messages. They seem to just be confusing; perhaps a neutral?

weemad said he was the "warrior princess". Unless he's Xena, I would guess he's Merida.

I'm not a fan of Seath questioning everything. Freakenchair noticed a lot of activity around him on two straight nights.

 

[Kevyt]

When I die, lynch CM, Barrylocke, Weemadarthur, and Euphemism. Those are my scum targets.

Darryl never voted for any of this people and even tried to protect CM who we know turned out to be scum.

Could this be a frustrated Darryl giving out some of his scum team mates?

I wouldn't be surprised. Euphemism was replaced by Ayumi.

Interesting that Barrylocke and Ayumi would be on Darryl's scum list both who are replacements...

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

TB20XX - can you clarify if you received your message n1 or n3, there seems to be some confusion on this

Night 3.


On your cop claim: I like your list, but I'm still wary of them, I feel like there could be a Godfather.

 

[Kevyt]

Yes. Whoever sends these messages hasn't traded their weird humor for clarity. This time I see even less sense than in the Trigger ones. It reads "beware the Ultron and his Ultra" (I suppose I'm allowed to quote this since the Trigger messages also got quoted). I have no clue what to make of this and will just ignore it until we come to a situation where Ultron and at least one other person are equally good lynch targets.

Well that's interesting because of two things:

the message says to beware Ultron's Ultra. It seems like a play on words, lol. However, it doesn't say that Ultron is bad but just to beware or cautious of his "ultra", and that's an interesting warning.

The part about his ultra, the only thing I'm thinking right now of is Street Fighter's Ultras:

Essentially, I think this means to be aware of Ultron's power or night action, whatever that is.

At least that's I'm thinking. But maybe you are right and we shouldn't pay much attention to this.

Oh, this old classic.

What do you think about the message that Royal received and my interpretation of it?

 

[Kevyt]

Which makes me think that whoever is sending those messages might know something we don't? Maybe?

Oh well, it could also be scum or a neutral vigilante or something of that sort.

 

[weemadarthur]

I honestly think that Zatoth comes off as really scummy given his voting pattern.

If we were to lynch him we could potentially find out if Mazre is saying the truth.

What if Mazre is a lost partner or something and covering for another scum player in his "list"? or Zatoth was the lost partner and he didn't activate as scum until just recently given that he was probed very early in the game and it went unnoticed by Mazre's part.

I'm just thinking of many possibilities here.

After seeing three scum cards with no mention of a lost partner who has been redacted, I'm not quite as in love with that notion.

But I'm still on board with there being a godfather.

So, let's assume Mazre is town and not lying.
Only 1 of the four names he cleared could be scum in that case.
And that's only true if there's a godfather, and the Godfather is one of those four, which isn't certain. I believe there are at least two scum left, personally.

 

[Ayumi]

Sorry, I messed up the vote since I'm on mobile.

Trying again:

Vote: Zatoth

 

[Hyperactivity]

I believe in you disney princess scum

Town can get fucked

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Have all of our claimed PRs checked in yet?

 

[TheExodu5]

1 of Exodus/Enker - Enker's claim was vague and based in part on Exodus's claim; Exodus seems to be hiding something, but Enker's claim seems to back up the commuter part of his claim, a scum commuter isn't impossible but would certainly be unusual.

I need to take a closer look at the replacements they feel like a blind spot at the moment.

Ferret/Fireblend I've generally leaned town on but I want to take another look here as well.

Well, feel free to look at me at night, but you won't get anything back. Whether that corroborates me or not I'll leave up to you.

Otherwise, I'd like a look at Freakinchair or Fireblend. Just instinct...nothing more.

 

[TheExodu5]

Unvote

 

[Fireblend]

Some scattered thoughts, as I just got home from the gym and am tired:

I'm inclined to believe Mazre. I don't think a damaged scum team would try to pull something like that on us, even if the claimed role is somewhat obscure and not very popular... though it could be a desperate gamble, I wouldn't rule that out completely.

Someone mentioned it earlier, and I want it on the record that I'm dubious of the idea of there being a scum godfather role. I feel like Darryl was the "big scum baddie" and I really doubt the scum team having that plus a godfather would have been balanced. No way to verify this, but if Mazre is town I'm unlikely to think any of those he looked into as scum.

I find it funny that people are suspecting me when I was the first vote against Trigger yesterday, but alright.

I don't know what to think about the messages, I think it's better to ignore them. I keep thinking whoever is sending the messages doesn't have any other power that would let him have additional info because that would be too much, even if his messages are restricted with puns or whatever. IMO he/she's a townie who's trying to manipulate us, for better or worse, into lynching the players mentioned in the messages whom he/she suspects.

I'll have a vote tomorrow.

 

[Enker]

I find it amusing that Mazre thinks either me or Exodus is scum, and has thought so for a while now, but hasn’t looked at either of us.

I also find it amusing that I’ve published my list each day starting D2 and most of his names are also people I’ve looked at.

Frankly, for those two reasons alone I don’t believe you.

On a unrelated note: I peeped in on Ayumi - irrelevant result as usual.

 

[StackpoleH]

I'm so curious to find out why there haven't been any deaths. I can't wait until the game is over and we have all the reveals-- at this point it seems mostly likely it's town protective roles doing a stellar job, but some paranoid part of me wonders if there's some secret power mafia can only activate if they wait to kill? I don't know, it just seems so bizarre!

As for the new developments, I believe Mazre, mostly because of his credibility from the CM vote. This does make me wary of lynching either Zatoth or Gryvan today, despite the traction both were getting. I don't put as stock as most people have in suspecting those who kept their vote on AB after Darryl claimed. At the time it seemed credible that Darryl was a cop, it was very close to the deadline, and a lot of people weren't active/had stated that they would be away for the day end. I actually considered switching my own vote to AB for a moment, just because it seemed like the only way of saving the cop if in fact Darryl was telling the truth. I know that seems not very sensible in retrospect, but I don't want to fall into the trap of failing to distinguish between "less than perfect play" and "mafia"

Who to lynch, then? I'm not sure. Maybe it's time for another look at Seath. I still haven't seen a good explanation for those two nights of activity. I also agree with those who have said that Exodus' role seems too highly-powered.

I don't want to discount the messages, since they did lead us to Trigger. It also seems clear that the sender is forced to speak in puns or something like that, so I don't think the cryptic-ness should mean that we ignore them. That said, I have no idea what this latest message means.

 

[weemadarthur]

I'm not caring about roles. But I am wondering - do we have a cinderella?

 

[ultron87]

I kind of want to lynch Zatoth despite the cop report. Cop proof scum seems like a possibility.

What do you think about the message that Royal received and my interpretation of it?

They don't seem to come from anyone that knows anything. We've already seen that from conflicting Trigger messages. Given the Alice and Cheshire Cat's (as narrator) presence the fact that they've all been play on words suggests there might be a Mad Hatter out there sending these. What function or goal that would have, I dunno. Itdoesn't really mean anything for us right now. On our current track we can just go and win by lynching the last scum or two without courting some potential neutral's help.

They probably just decided to mention me because a few people said they were suspicious of me yesterday.