weemadarthur
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I'm cool with killing either Enker or Zatoth. Dinna care which first, flush can block either one that's alive.
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DisneyPrincess Mafia |OT| Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, Whos the Scummiest of Them All
- Thread starter YesNOnoNOYes
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If youre keeping me alive and killing Zatoth, its specifically because you think I can help hunt scum. You may as well kill me now if youre going to block me later.
I am going to laugh so hard if Mazre wins when I die.
weemadarthur
Member
Nothing you've said about your role implies it offers any benefits for scum hunting.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Explain.
-Who did you check N5?
-Are you a neutral lyncher? If so, who is your target?
-What does Mazre have to do with anything? Is he also a lyncher?
-If Mazre is a lyncher, an alignment cop lyncher is pretty strong, unless he's lying about his role. I know I'm town, Flush is leaning town, and Zatoth and gryvan are unknowns.
-If Mazre is a lyncher, then town should have a cop. No one has come forward to claim as such.
-Ergo, the most obvious scenario is that you're a neutral and Mazre is town.
Like I said, I don't really care if a neutral wins, as long as town wins with them (i.e. they deliver scum for us). Give us a reason to keep you around.
Freakinchair
Member
I was busy and didn't realize the day was ending - been busy buying a home. My mistake! Not sure why everyone dog piled me right at the end. Especially yourself who I basically validated as Town in my previous posts? This is very strange behavior. I'll need to go back and see what people were saying about me and pick off anything strange.
I "Watched" TheExodu5 again last night and I got no result... which means I was either role blocked or he was immune to my power.
Is it possible that TheExodu5 is scum and, knowing he was being watched by me the previous night (and not doing anything that night), wanted me out of the picture so I can't watch him again? If I was role blocked last night then this would partially validate this theory. Either way I'll vote with town on whatever they decide and, in the spirit of not missing a vote,
Vote: Zatoth
I said before, I need to hunt my target - if I knew who they were I would have suggested you lynch them a long time ago. Thats the Non Null, But Useless nightly checks, and why I keep emphasizing I am not a cop or doctor.
Basically, what Non Null means is Not the person Im looking for.
I have no evidence whatsoever on Mazre, I didnt check him. But, hes been after me for a while but, despite having a claimed cop role, didnt bother to check his #1/#2 scum target. So, Im merely pointing out who I think is the person who would win if I die should someone have such a win condition of killing Sailor Moon.
But heres where it falls apart and theres no way I am not dead today: I checked Ferret last night because he failed to vote twice in a row. And he winds up dead. I got a null result, if that matters at all (It does tell me that my check doesnt have priority over a kill). So lets just get this over with =)
Lone_Prodigy
Member
AbsolutBro
Member
Derp. My bad.
Wait, how can you be sure you actually blocked Ultron if you sleep walked? What does sleep walking actually do? Is it just to mess with the trackers?
L_P, chair was negative n4, and null n5. If anything exodus is an odd night commuter.
According to the Wiki, most Lynchers know their target, I agree. I guess Yeeny decided to make things interesting by making me hunt for it instead. I know they dont belong here either, but that doesnt help you because everyone is going to claim to be a Princess.
Should that person be Town, I would be a detriment to you.
All my flavor says is it is a Her. So, its not Tuxedo Mask. It wouldnt make sense for it to be a Sailor Scout (why would I want to lynch them?) So thats why my guess is Queen Beryl, but thats not stated in my PM.
How does that make it more interesting? Like, I really have a hard time rationalizing how not knowing their name has any effect.
Either way, you're a neutral. If we lynch you and you are who you say you are, it's less of a loss than a town mislynch. You really shouldn't have claimed if you wanted to continue having a chance of reaching your win condition, if you really are a neutral that is
Lone_Prodigy
Member
I'll change the list. Also rewriting my summary of night actions.
One thing to note: Darryl claims to have sleptwalked N2, and we know he's scum. If Zatoth is our sleepwalker, would he sleep fellow scum? I think Darryl posted that to discourage Flush from blocking Zatoth again (claims sleepwalk still happened with Zatoth blocked). The lack of sleepwalking on N3 and N4 seem to corroborate this.
The only thing that puzzles me is why they would continue to have Zatoth carry out the kill if he was being blocked. Gamble that he wouldn't be blocked again? Hoping that Trigger blocked our blocker?
I think we should lynch Zatoth today. If Enker is a neutral lyncher, he's fairly harmless.
On town's side we have:
-alignment cop
-X-shot bulletproof
-2 lovers, one of which is a 1-shot vig
-odd-night commuter
-watcher
-motion detector
-roleblocker
-ordinary with day claim
On scum's side we have:
-tracker
-1-shot cop/silence/kill
-roleblocker
-sleepwalker
Unknown alignment, but maybe neutral since they haven't come forward:
-message deliverer
What do you think? Balance-wise would there be a fifth scum member?
One thing to note: Darryl claims to have sleptwalked N2, and we know he's scum. If Zatoth is our sleepwalker, would he sleep fellow scum? I think Darryl posted that to discourage Flush from blocking Zatoth again (claims sleepwalk still happened with Zatoth blocked). The lack of sleepwalking on N3 and N4 seem to corroborate this.
The only thing that puzzles me is why they would continue to have Zatoth carry out the kill if he was being blocked. Gamble that he wouldn't be blocked again? Hoping that Trigger blocked our blocker?
I think we should lynch Zatoth today. If Enker is a neutral lyncher, he's fairly harmless.
On town's side we have:
-alignment cop
-X-shot bulletproof
-2 lovers, one of which is a 1-shot vig
-odd-night commuter
-watcher
-motion detector
-roleblocker
-ordinary with day claim
On scum's side we have:
-tracker
-1-shot cop/silence/kill
-roleblocker
-sleepwalker
Unknown alignment, but maybe neutral since they haven't come forward:
-message deliverer
What do you think? Balance-wise would there be a fifth scum member?
Lone_Prodigy
Member
List of claimed PR's and night actions
Freakinchair - Rapunzel, motion detector
N1: Fireblend, POSITIVE
N2: Seath, POSITIVE
N3: Seath, POSITIVE
N4: TheExodu5, NEGATIVE
N5: TheExodu5, NULL
Zatoth - ???, ???
N1: Fireblend visited Seath
N2:
N3:
N4: Mazre
N5: Royal_Flush visited Mazre
Enker - Sailor Moon, neutral lyncher
N1: TheExodu5, NULL result
N2: Zatoth, NON-NULL result
N3: Lone_Prodigy, NON-NULL result
N4: Ayumi, NON-NULL result
N5: Unmasked Ferret, NULL result (lower priority than death)
Royal_Flush - Aurora, roleblocker
N1: AbsolutBro
N2: Zatoth
N3: Zatoth
N4: Zatoth
N5: Ultron
Mazre - Charlotte, alignment cop
N1: Lone_Prodigy, TOWN
N2: gryvan, TOWN
N3: Zatoth, TOWN
N4: Royal_Flush, TOWN
N5: Barrylocke, TOWN
Unmasked Ferret (RIP) - Cinderella, watcher
N1: Darryl, NEGATIVE
N2: Darryl, NEGATIVE
N3: Ultron, NEGATIVE
N4: Mazre, NEGATIVE
weemadarthur - ???, X-shot bulletproof
N1: Shot, Bulletproof -1
TheExodu5 - Ariel, odd-night commuter
N1: Commuted
N2:
N3: Commuted
N4:
N5: Commuted
Terrabyte20xx - Elsa, X-shot vigilante (Most likely X=1)
N1: flatearthpandas
Fireblend - ???, ???
N1: Visited Seath via sleepwalking
N2:
N3:
N4:
N5:
??? - ???, message sender
N1: Blocked or sent to scum
N2: To Mazre: "Don't pull the Trigger"
N3: To Terrabyte20xx: "Pull the Trigger"
N4: To Royal_Flush: "Beware ultron and his Ultra"
N5: To Barrylocke: "???"
Freakinchair - Rapunzel, motion detector
N1: Fireblend, POSITIVE
N2: Seath, POSITIVE
N3: Seath, POSITIVE
N4: TheExodu5, NEGATIVE
N5: TheExodu5, NULL
Zatoth - ???, ???
N1: Fireblend visited Seath
N2:
N3:
N4: Mazre
N5: Royal_Flush visited Mazre
Enker - Sailor Moon, neutral lyncher
N1: TheExodu5, NULL result
N2: Zatoth, NON-NULL result
N3: Lone_Prodigy, NON-NULL result
N4: Ayumi, NON-NULL result
N5: Unmasked Ferret, NULL result (lower priority than death)
Royal_Flush - Aurora, roleblocker
N1: AbsolutBro
N2: Zatoth
N3: Zatoth
N4: Zatoth
N5: Ultron
Mazre - Charlotte, alignment cop
N1: Lone_Prodigy, TOWN
N2: gryvan, TOWN
N3: Zatoth, TOWN
N4: Royal_Flush, TOWN
N5: Barrylocke, TOWN
Unmasked Ferret (RIP) - Cinderella, watcher
N1: Darryl, NEGATIVE
N2: Darryl, NEGATIVE
N3: Ultron, NEGATIVE
N4: Mazre, NEGATIVE
weemadarthur - ???, X-shot bulletproof
N1: Shot, Bulletproof -1
TheExodu5 - Ariel, odd-night commuter
N1: Commuted
N2:
N3: Commuted
N4:
N5: Commuted
Terrabyte20xx - Elsa, X-shot vigilante (Most likely X=1)
N1: flatearthpandas
Fireblend - ???, ???
N1: Visited Seath via sleepwalking
N2:
N3:
N4:
N5:
??? - ???, message sender
N1: Blocked or sent to scum
N2: To Mazre: "Don't pull the Trigger"
N3: To Terrabyte20xx: "Pull the Trigger"
N4: To Royal_Flush: "Beware ultron and his Ultra"
N5: To Barrylocke: "???"
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Wait a minute... Bastian Balthazar Bux, is that you?!?!
To be honest, I do believe Enker for the record.
Therefore
VOTE: Zatoth
This is funny to me, because I'm pretty sure at least half of my posts on GAF are in the Sailor Moon community threads.
Royal_Flush
Member
Oh come on, you even played NightVale. I was in there and I was a Neutral Lyncher who didn't know their target (Well I knew it was Hiriam McDaniels, but not who had this role). I also had investigations that returned "Your target is (not) McDaniels".How does that make it more interesting? Like, I really have a hard time rationalizing how not knowing their name has any effect.
Either way, you're a neutral. If we lynch you and you are who you say you are, it's less of a loss than a town mislynch. You really shouldn't have claimed if you wanted to continue having a chance of reaching your win condition, if you really are a neutral that is
Up to Ultron's post about it I just assumed it was for confusion. But it also could be a random redirect. But does it matter right now? No! Because if it is just for confusion we obviously don't lynch Ultron right now. If it's a redirect we also don't lynch Ultron right now because we have no more information about him than yesterday. We can worry about this once we hit our 4th Scum.
Further evidence of scum Enker-
Claimed after I hinted a scum read, why claim if you expected to be read as town or neutral
Voted to protect Zatoth, regardless of the tie that unfolded tried to sneak in at the end and push it out of reach (everything Chair has said has checked out with other's claims)
Why Enker today?
Zatoth at this point is largely a known quantity, we don't know what Enker is capable of
IF he is neutral, there's no guarantee that he's a lyncher (as Fireblend notes it's an extremely poor idea for a lyncher to claim as such), the last time a town thought they had a harmless neutral they got kingkitty in woof2 (arsonist/gossip for those not familiar)
Claimed after I hinted a scum read, why claim if you expected to be read as town or neutral
Voted to protect Zatoth, regardless of the tie that unfolded tried to sneak in at the end and push it out of reach (everything Chair has said has checked out with other's claims)
Why Enker today?
Zatoth at this point is largely a known quantity, we don't know what Enker is capable of
IF he is neutral, there's no guarantee that he's a lyncher (as Fireblend notes it's an extremely poor idea for a lyncher to claim as such), the last time a town thought they had a harmless neutral they got kingkitty in woof2 (arsonist/gossip for those not familiar)
Umm, yeah. That is exactly what I'm saying.
Royal_Flush
Member
Oh, I thought you were saying the role is unlikely. My bad.
Gamedesign discussion, please ignore for scum hunting: If you just gave the name away, you'd have to make a significant upside to you being lynched and your Lynchee would have to know what's going on. Otherwise the obvious play would be to claim Cop D2 and say you got Scum on your Lynchee.
I dont know either.
Game 1: Lets override a outed scum!
Game 2: Crab is our friend!
Game 3: Lets claim a role that shouldnt be claimed apparently!
I clearly dont know what Im doing. At all. You would think if I was Scum Darryl would have taught me better, he played with me in Archer so he knows. As did you.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Two tired and sad looking mouse trot into the room, squeaking a message for the other Princesses:
Obviously the cat has eaten enough that it doesn't even bother to pounce at these sad looking rodents.
A cat smiles.
Unmasked Ferret said:
Obviously the cat has eaten enough that it doesn't even bother to pounce at these sad looking rodents.
A cat smiles.
I dont know either.
Game 1: Lets override a outed scum!
Game 2: Crab is our friend!
Game 3: Lets claim a role that shouldnt be claimed apparently!
I clearly dont know what Im doing. At all. You would think if I was Scum Darryl would have taught me better, he played with me in Archer so he knows. As did you.
A few things-
If you're neutral as you claim how could darryl possibly help you?
If you were depending on Darryl for assistance as scum it stands to reason you'd be a bit a drift right now since he's been dead for 2 full day phases.
I forgot you were in Archer but Seath in that game is a perfect example of why you don't claim lyncher if you're a lyncher.
A cat has whispered unsolicited clarification in my ear that, while my action still has lower priority than a kill, I should have received the same result for Ferret as I got for my other non-Exodus reads.
I guess thats a minor tweak to LPs list. Im just lucky it didnt try to eat me prematurely - I guess it knows that waiting for supper makes it taste better.
I guess thats a minor tweak to LPs list. Im just lucky it didnt try to eat me prematurely - I guess it knows that waiting for supper makes it taste better.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
noooommmmmmmm
weemadarthur
Member
Fireblend, that sleepwalking note from LP makes me wonder. Are you the messager?
Nope. I don't send messages or give massages (I wasn't sure what you were asking).
weemadarthur
Member
I'll accept answer A for now. However, if we meet in person I expect a different answer for B.
Do you feel we should lynch Enker today?
Yes. Working with neutrals can backfire in fantastic ways. That said, I wouldn't be too mad about a Zatoth lynch.
what counter vote?
I unvoted to gather my thoughts and then i forgot about the whole DST nonsense that happened on sunday and inability to access neogaf at night...what am I suppose to do :/
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On to the other point
At this point we should figure out whether to lynch Zatoth or Enker.
As a whole, a lot of evidence is pointing to Zatoth where town can safely lynch him...
on the other hand, Enker claimed to wanting to try to lynch someone so he can win as neutral?(Think thats what I read from a lot of the thread)...However, if we did lynch that townie who could be potentially useful, wouldn't that make him more scum aligned neutral over town aligned neutral? But then again, it could be that his target might be scum perhaps...so atm I don't know what to think about on Enker.
I am highly leaning on Zatoth but I wanna see if theres a tie again like LAST TIME so that we don't want this game to last a year or so...
To be fair, fireblend did die on night 1 in that game. :x
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Zatoth (6)
Royal_Flush .1962
Septimus Prime .1972
Freakinchair .2005
Terrabyte20xx .2017
ultron87 .2033
Seath .2034
Enker (2)
Mazre .1999
Fireblend .2007
Freakinchair (1)
TheExodu5 .1973
No Active Vote for Day 6:
AbsolutBro
Ayumi
Barrylocke
Enker
gryvan
Lone_Prodigy
StackpoleH
weemadarthur
Zatoth
Day 6 ends:
10 votes for majority
weemadarthur
Member
Barrylocke, I would like to hear about the message you received.
Yes. I sent fireblend and royal flush sleepwalking. Sleepwalking grants them some protection from kill attempts. Should someone try to kill my target that will fail.
They can use their own powers normally. But should someone try to kill their sleepwalking target the sleepwalker dies instead. They visit a random target. I have no control over that.
They can use their own powers normally. But should someone try to kill their sleepwalking target the sleepwalker dies instead. They visit a random target. I have no control over that.
AbsolutBro
Member
So just so I can understand:
Mazre alignment-reads Zatoth as town.
We seem to be going for Zatoth.
Do we think that:
1. Zatoth is a godfather and sleep-mage
-or-
2. a switcher changed Mazre's target
Do we have a confirmed town switcher, or do we think there's a scum switcher?
Mazre alignment-reads Zatoth as town.
We seem to be going for Zatoth.
Do we think that:
1. Zatoth is a godfather and sleep-mage
-or-
2. a switcher changed Mazre's target
Do we have a confirmed town switcher, or do we think there's a scum switcher?
StackpoleH
Member
Then how did Darryl know about the sleepwalking power if you are town Zatoth?
Bleh, so very disappointing. It would at least have been nice if the people voting for Zatoth had at least tried to poke a hole in my arguments instead of ignoring them.
Let's get this over with.
VOTE: Zatoth
By the way #notacop (or a princess)
I am in fact the Pied Piper of Hamelin. Neutral
My role involves leading you along in a merry fashion and has a list of requirements related to voting. Lead a lynch, vote for no one, participate in a tie, etc.
Enker may be neutral but I very much doubt he is a pure lyncher, by comparison it would make his win condition vastly simpler than my own.
Off to work.
Let's get this over with.
VOTE: Zatoth
By the way #notacop (or a princess)
I am in fact the Pied Piper of Hamelin. Neutral
My role involves leading you along in a merry fashion and has a list of requirements related to voting. Lead a lynch, vote for no one, participate in a tie, etc.
Enker may be neutral but I very much doubt he is a pure lyncher, by comparison it would make his win condition vastly simpler than my own.
Off to work.
Oh guess. I screwed up. Thought Fireblend claimed before Darryl. Guess I remembered that wrong.
I am the Godfather. You got me. Go ahead and turbo me and end this game.
Royal_Flush
Member
Ok, I guess I'll block Enker tonight. So if I die you don't need to lynch him.. (I'm telling this in advance because I don't really see a downside in it with at max 1 Scum left. I either hit or I don't...)
Royal_Flush
Member
I was "involuntarily wandering through the halls during [my] sleep".