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Disturbing video shows high school cheerleaders forced into repeated splits
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You have never actually witnessed a gymnast or cheerleader or any of a thousand other sports being coached have you? I for one am very happy to see a coaches hands on my daughter, I can not imagine the injuries she would have suffered if he did not.
Iva Demilcol
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You mean like those kids that ridiculed that man drowning in a river and then uploaded the video on instagram?
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Is this against their will? I am confused. Yes that video was very disturbing to see and I dont understand why anyone want to go through that pain. But they sign up for it and not something they are forced to do it right?
nvm
Just read again. It is against their will. Wtf?
nvm
Just read again. It is against their will. Wtf?
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
I keep coming in and out of this thread. I don't know how the parents didn't react violently to the news and footage.
I mean if little Cassie makes it to state finals and the parents can live vicariously through her then...it's all good right?
Marky Mark
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Primary school friend 20-odd years ago used to tell me that his martial arts teacher would basically do this to him. Seemed pretty savage back then.
Sho_Nuff82
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I don't think anyone educated in sports medicine would think that was proper stretching technique. Getting the other kids to help out is just...wtf.
Yup, video is worse than I thought it was going to be. First girl crying and screaming was enough.
I thought that it was going to be the sideways splits, not the front/back splits. With an adult male pushing down on her shoulders to force her into the position. NOPE.
I thought that it was going to be the sideways splits, not the front/back splits. With an adult male pushing down on her shoulders to force her into the position. NOPE.
falconxcrunner09
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Thats really fucked up, couldn't make it that far in the video.
I coach high school sports myself, and one of my many philosophies I take to heart in coaching is that if one of my athletes is in severe pain anywhere in the body, I tell he/she to stop what they are doing immediately and go see the athletic trainer. I will never understand the point of pushing them to those limits like in the video, and I have seen my fair share of coaches do this. I have told them all that I have to put my trust in them that they will do the right thing in gauging pain levels and 99% of them do the right thing and exceed my expectations when it comes to competition day.
There is literally no reason to push someone, especially in high school past their limits to the point where they are in so much pain like this poor girl. Progression in sports (and even in life) is long terms and takes time.
I coach high school sports myself, and one of my many philosophies I take to heart in coaching is that if one of my athletes is in severe pain anywhere in the body, I tell he/she to stop what they are doing immediately and go see the athletic trainer. I will never understand the point of pushing them to those limits like in the video, and I have seen my fair share of coaches do this. I have told them all that I have to put my trust in them that they will do the right thing in gauging pain levels and 99% of them do the right thing and exceed my expectations when it comes to competition day.
There is literally no reason to push someone, especially in high school past their limits to the point where they are in so much pain like this poor girl. Progression in sports (and even in life) is long terms and takes time.
No. I used one when taking karate.
Mine had a crank handle. Not a steering wheel.
Yes sadly excercise does involve some pain which most GAFers wouldn't know about.
I can't watch the video right now but it sounds like a typical training routine.
Reverend Funk
Comfy Penetration
maybe watch the video then
Man this coach crossed the line with this athlete because of his poor technique or lack of knowledge but you guys are having a massive reaction. Walk into any competitive gym and you would see this being done properly with a lot more force. This looks like a rec athlete in a competitive program. The coach screwed up and is wrong he should be fired. I'm not defending this coach, but I am defending a proper coach and dedicated athlete form putting in the work and sometimes pain to improve.
Conditioning
yes, your opinion on this matter without bothering to look at any of the details or context, is valued in this discussion.
even the post you quoted was saying that the machine would've been a better way to do this
Outtrigger888
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She's crying and saying no and begging them saying "please stop"
Right typical routine.....
crisdecuba
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Why even post if you haven't seen the video? What value are you adding in doing so? Makes no sense...
Massive Duck. C.M.
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That video is fucked up. Dude definitely doesn't know what he's doing
Raylan Targaryen
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gets to tell you guys how you're all lazy fucks
TheLostBigBoss
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Watched the video
Throw him in jail
Throw him in jail
GoldenEye 007
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You don't put children in a position to make such a decision anyway.
hydrophilic attack
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They are around 13 years old. You can't expect kids that young to call out their coach like that. This is all on the coach
Emperor_Uriel
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That's not even close to being the problem here. Most gymnastics/dance coaches put their hands on the student, there's nothing wrong with that. This dude was cramming his knee into the student's back as she cried out in pain, which is obviously abusive and far from the norm.
The most basic issue is that he made her do something she was uncomfortable with. Something that could have caused her emotional trauma in addition to the obvious physical harm. Forcing students to perform beyond their limits for the sake of athletic success is never okay.
I'll also add that I appreciate how calm and fair the mother's email to the school was. Her reaction to all of this was measured and reasonable, backed by the opinion of an expert instead of the typical "outraged screaming parent" you tend to get in school scandal stories.
TheGameshark
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The video is fucking awful. Coach should def be fired with charges filed against him.
snickothemule
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What a fucking dumbass, distressing video to say the least.
coach of the year
coach of the year
Forsaken82
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There's a difference between accepting the pain through training and being forced into it.
Were you held down while screaming please stop?
To prevent shit like this is why you have coaches, not to cause it. Even if the girls in question lack knowledge about how to properly lengthen the muscles, tendons, and ligaments in their legs and pelvis to properly advance their splits, the fucking coach is supposed to be there to teach them to do it properly without hurting themselves, not to force them into injury. There's a progression to anything physical, for fuck's sake. Coach should have known better.
SoldierOfLight
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Watching the Karate kid and seeing black belts at Tae kwon do was the reason I quit at yellow belt. When they asked me why I said I couldn't do the split. They told me it didn't matter, I still noped out. Wasn't going to it no way.
Velcro Fly
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Rule #1 of working in a school: If you have to put your hands on the students and physically force them do something, you fucked up
As a personal rule I never put my hands on a student beyond a high five or a fist bump. It is just not worth it ever.
As a personal rule I never put my hands on a student beyond a high five or a fist bump. It is just not worth it ever.
Emperor_Uriel
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As a counselor who specializes in this area, this ironclad rule is not necessarily a good thing. Positive touch is incredibly important for a child's development and plays an enormous role in their emotional growth. The general rules should be "never touch a child on the bathing suit area or the mouth" and "never touch a child without their consent."
This ensures that all touches are "good touches," which is to say: non-sexual, non-intimate physical contact that the child is developmentally capable of consenting to and perceives as warm, caring or fun.
Your personal rule is fine for you, but it's become the default in many countries because of extreme prejudice against men working in childcare, who are arguably doing immensely important work in terms of combating regressive gender norms.
Golden_Pigeon
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Laieon
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I've always felt lucky because my high school had a population of 4000 kids. Too many people to give a shit about who was an athlete or not. I've always felt like the whole clique thing was a bit of a myth too because the athletes in my school tended to be in higher level classes as well. Not only were they athletic, they were also really smart. Lots of them went on to become engineers or work in robotics.
uncredited male
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http://www.wfaa.com/news/east-high-coach-let-go-from-previous-job-over-forced-splits/467142182
Looks like you have some free time to check it out now.
Looks like you have some free time to check it out now.
Man this story was posted on Washington Post's Facebook page and the comments are just full of victim blaming.
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