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[StreetsofBeige]

Anyone want to give me a quick low down how DLSS can be even better than native res?

To me (knowing nothing), wouldnt native res visuals be the top benchmark DLSS can at best match, but not exceed?

 

[GymWolf]

hairs and glasses looks pretty similar tbh

Spoiler

 

[sertopico]

I guess it can't work like that.

What is NVIDIA DLSS, and How Will It Make Ray Tracing Faster?

At NVIDIA's CES 2019 presentation, the company showed off a new technology called DLSS.

www.howtogeek.com

This is how version 1 used to work. Now the reconstruction technique is not on a per-game basis anymore, which was much more time consuming. Version 2 uses motion vectors and geometry to do its work. The AI helps to "predict" how the final image would look best during the process of temporal reconstruction. Then the game developers will be able to customize the DLSS further in order to tailor it around that particular game engine.

This very recent article explains it better than me : https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-image-scaler-dlss-rtx-november-2021-updates/

 

[Kenpachii]

Anyone want to give me a quick low down how DLSS can be even better than native res?

To me (knowing nothing), wouldnt native res visuals be the top benchmark DLSS can at best match, but not exceed?

It uses higher resolution data then picks with AI the needed parts to fill i missing data from your lower render resolution. It can do this extremely effective something non AI upscaling can't.
Think about DLSS as super sampling but limited and performance gain.

 

[Rentahamster]

Anyone want to give me a quick low down how DLSS can be even better than native res?

To me (knowing nothing), wouldnt native res visuals be the top benchmark DLSS can at best match, but not exceed?

Nvidia is training their machine learning with native 16K images. In theory, if DLSS reconstruction works perfectly, the AI would be able to reconstruct 16K level quality visuals, which would be better than 4K native. It's wild to think that even with how good DLSS is already, it's only going to get better over time.

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Otherwise, the actual network training process hasn't entirely changed. NVIDIA is still training against 16K images, with the goal of teaching the neural network as much about quality as possible. And this is still being executed as neural networks via the tensor cores as well, though I'm curious to see if DLSS 2.0 pins quite as much work to the tensor cores as 1.0 did before it.

 

[squidilix]

Nice vid

 

[GymWolf]

Kinda of an off-topic question, do we have a topic where to ask pc build questions like an advise for a new psu? (i already have 3-4 options, i just need a push and some minor details)

I don't wanna open a topic just for that.

 

[Rentahamster]

Kinda of an off-topic question, do we have a topic where to ask pc build questions like an advise for a new psu? (i already have 3-4 options, i just need a push and some minor details)

I don't wanna open a topic just for that.

Like what?

Use a PSU calculator to see how much you'd theoretically need.
Stick with reliable brands like Seasonic, Corsair, or EVGA.
Use apps like Honey to watch prices for drops.

Compared to other parts, I feel like PSU selection is pretty cut and dry.

 

[amigastar]

Kinda of an off-topic question, do we have a topic where to ask pc build questions like an advise for a new psu? (i already have 3-4 options, i just need a push and some minor details)

I don't wanna open a topic just for that.

Whats wrong with this thread?

"I Need a New PC!" 2021. Sold Out Edition.

Just won a $1,000 Visa gift card from work and I'm think of getting a tower. Currently on a 980ti, i5 2500k, and 8gb of ram. Thinking of getting the rig below from eCollegepc for $2,700 or should I just wait a bit longer for new AMD CPUs and the 4000 series? Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact...

www.neogaf.com

700 - 750 watt is usually enough for most cases unless you want a RTX 3090 graphics card.

 

[GymWolf]

Whats wrong with this thread?

"I Need a New PC!" 2021. Sold Out Edition.

Just won a $1,000 Visa gift card from work and I'm think of getting a tower. Currently on a 980ti, i5 2500k, and 8gb of ram. Thinking of getting the rig below from eCollegepc for $2,700 or should I just wait a bit longer for new AMD CPUs and the 4000 series? Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact...

www.neogaf.com

700 - 750 watt is usually enough for most cases unless you want a RTX 3090 graphics card.

Did a brief research after posting and already posted a detailed request for help over there, my memory is shit.

 

[GymWolf]

Like what?

Use a PSU calculator to see how much you'd theoretically need.
Stick with reliable brands like Seasonic, Corsair, or EVGA.
Use apps like Honey to watch prices for drops.

Compared to other parts, I feel like PSU selection is pretty cut and dry.

I already have the needed wattage and most famous brands down, i just need an advise about some models of those brands, i asked more specifically in the topic posted by amigastar.

Also i'm kinda of a noob when it comes to pc buildings even if i played on pc for like 20 years, i second guess everything before actually buying something

Even if i watch many guides online (like i did today), they say everything and the opposite of everything, i prefer taking advices from here tbh.
(in my city there is no such a thing as a good physical pc shop where to ask stuff, they are a bunch of outdated inepts)

 

[Buggy Loop]

Kinda of an off-topic question, do we have a topic where to ask pc build questions like an advise for a new psu? (i already have 3-4 options, i just need a push and some minor details)

I don't wanna open a topic just for that.

GAF has a PC build OT

 

[TheAssist]

Yeah tbh DLSS is the reason I would not buy an AMD card right now. Even if everything was even between Nvidia and AMD, DLSS is just a killer feature and I kinda wish my 1070 could do it
Right now its the best way to drive a 4K screen.

 

[Notabueno]

Nintendo plans on using their own implementation if their patents are any clue. I'd be really curious to see the difference with this on their current games.

I don't think so: Nintendo is working with Nvidia on their latest hardware, and they did hire a bunch of DLSS specialists back then. Given how it went for Sony and their own implementation of their "checkboarding" SS, I doubt Nintendo has any leverage nor point in doing their own, especially since as you described, DLSS is still being researched on and hard to integrate to games.

 

[Dream-Knife]

I don't think so: Nintendo is working with Nvidia on their latest hardware, and they did hire a bunch of DLSS specialists back then. Given how it went for Sony and their own implementation of their "checkboarding" SS, I doubt Nintendo has any leverage nor point in doing their own, especially since as you described, DLSS is still being researched on and hard to integrate to games.

Patent Reveals Nintendo Is Working On Upscaling Technology

Just made public, the patent was first placed in March 2020

www.nintendolife.com

 

[Kenpachii]

Good example in bf2042 3440x1440 native resolution + TAA versus DLSS in gif ( didn't zoom in just only a piece of my screen so the size in gif isn't gigantic.)

Taa in the beginning, DLSS at the end.

For people don't understand where to look at, check the containers in the middle flickering, and check the power line on the left pillar, there is non with taa, there is with DLSS and its flawless.